Dead Atmosphere About The Club

[pib]

There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.

That man is our Chairman.

I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.

No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.

But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.

If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?

It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.

No, it's not based on factual evidence. I didn't say it was.

Neither is your implication that the way the chairman operates is mutually exclusive with results on the field.

There are clearly issues with the way the club is being run, otherwise we wouldn't be consistently underperforming our budget season after season. It's not about finding scapegoats, it's highlighting the point that if the problem (or one of them) is the chairman, then that might be part of the cause for the poor results, rather than the idea of the chairman's contribution happening in a silo and having no effect (positive or negative) on the club's on-field performance.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I don't know Blunt or the way he operates so I have no grounds to suggest he's the problem.

Like you, I see what's on the pitch and can safely say, results are more directly due to the input of the input of the players and the manager.

[swintonrover]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Filo]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

[pib]

I don't know Blunt or the way he operates so I have no grounds to suggest he's the problem.

Like you, I see what's on the pitch and can safely say, results are more directly due to the input of the input of the players and the manager.

Perhaps. But we've been absolutely dire now under multiple managers, and with multiple sets of players. And who (and which processes (or lack thereof)) is responsible for choosing those managers and players?

FWIW I didn't say Blunt was the issue either, but let's be realistic that there is a possibility that his contribution as the person who ultimately heads up the football side of the club could have an impact on whether the football team performs well or not.

[swintonrover]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

[drfchound]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Why would a Blunt charge the youth team for using the KM ?
Are all the teams DRFC ?

[swintonrover]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Why would a Blunt charge the youth team for using the KM ?
Are all the teams DRFC ?

There was a series of games in various local competitions that were all charged the same fee, Blunt said that fee can come out of the academy funds for this season.

[Campsall rover]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Why would a Blunt charge the youth team for using the KM ?
Are all the teams DRFC ?

Beat me to it hound. The Youth team are part of the club. So that doesn’t add up at all.
Please explain  Swintonrover?

[silent majority]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

[Filo]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

[swintonrover]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

[lee.j09]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

Genuine question here;

Are you genuinely happy with how the club are going at the minute? On the field? Off the field?

[Branton Red]

Throwing money at any business is no guarantee of success. You also have to make good decisions and therefore have at least competent decision makers running the business.

Experience is no guarantee of success (just as a lack of it is no guarantee of failure) but it is often a big help.

Throughout Rovers decline they have continually appointed the inexperienced into key roles: -

- The current manager; current first team coaches; current DoF; previous manager who put together this squad; the prior 2 managers before that.

This is not good decision making. In fact it's rank poor decision making. Made even poorer by a seeming inability to learn from this continual same mistake.

Mr Blunt and Mr Baldwin as football administrators have proven themselves to be poor decision makers. This is the sad key to Rovers decline.

[Draytonian III]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.




“By a former youth team player “ the word former means a lot in that statement, are you sure he has no axe to grind with him not being kept on. It’s happened in the past by at least one ex youth team player when he wasn’t kept on

[silent majority]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

Genuine question here;

Are you genuinely happy with how the club are going at the minute? On the field? Off the field?

Not sure why I'd be happy to see the way the club is performing on the field this season. What a strange question! I'm the same as all other DRFC supporters that I know, very disappointed.

Off the field. I'd say its a mixed bag, some of it is very good, other stuff isn't, and some of it I'm concerned about, but that's for me to resolve with the club.

[silent majority]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.

Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.

[scawsby steve]

There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.

That man is our Chairman.

I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.

No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.

But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.

If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?

It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.

Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.

Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?

[no eyed deer]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.

Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.

You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.

They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.

Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.

They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered  about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.

It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.

[Chris Black come back]

I always think the sign of a club in trouble is having to try rebuilding in the January window. Either they made a mess of recruitment in the summer, or they had the wrong manger in charge at the start of the season and have since had to sack him, leading to the new guy reshaping his squad in January. I fear we are on the hook for both. January of course being the very worst time to sign anyone, let alone conduct a rebuild.

[normal rules]

I’m looking forward to a trip down to the Orient game early in the new year.
Get a chance to spend the weekend with my youngest son. Drinks, food and a good old social get together. He met a few lads from Edenthorpe at the Colchester game and has arranged a get together pre and prob post match with them again.
The football itself I don’t really want to think about. I can see us getting caned at the hands of a very upbeat Orient.

[pib]

I always think the sign of a club in trouble is having to try rebuilding in the January window. Either they made a mess of recruitment in the summer, or they had the wrong manger in charge at the start of the season and have since had to sack him, leading to the new guy reshaping his squad in January. I fear we are on the hook for both. January of course being the very worst time to sign anyone, let alone conduct a rebuild.

Although I am frustrated by the club continuously "writing off" seasons whilst they put their latest plan/strategy in place or let their latest manager settle in, I'd honestly rather us not sign anyone in January and just accept we're going to finish 17th and just look at next season rather than throwing money at another January flurry. One of the numerous reasons we are in the mess we are in is the god awful recruitment conducted by McSheffrey and the board last January.

[silent majority]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.

Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.

You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.

They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.

Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.

They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered  about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.

It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.

Yet again more nonsense.

I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.

And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.

[TommyC]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.

Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.

You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.

They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.

Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.

They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered  about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.

It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.

Yet again more nonsense.

I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.

And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.

Whilst I don't doubt at all that your attempts to hold their feet to the fire in face to face meetings are very well-intentioned and that you personally work very hard at what you do for the club, it doesn't mean anything really though does it as ultimately they aren't accountable to you. They can tell you what you want to hear until the cows come home but the VSC doesn't and never has had any teeth, nor is it in any position to actually effect change. The VSC shareholding is so miniscule as to be largely irrelevant to any decision making at the club or from an accountability perspective.  It creates an illusion of fan engagement and involvement but i'm unconvinced it amounts to anything more than that.

[Chris Black come back]

You may have answered your own point / diatribe there - the VSC shareholding is minuscule yet still they are given time of day by the board. That I would say is a good thing. There is at least a dialogue, which is likely more than most clubs offer. The only thing I think the VSC could (if not already) push harder on is publication of the accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited, which stopped 7 years ago and were wrapped into Club Doncaster. We used to break them out, so I don’t see why we don’t do this. It’s a basic form of transparency that we should expect.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.

That man is our Chairman.

I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.

No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.

But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.

If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?

It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.

Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.

Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?

The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.

As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.

Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.

[scawsby steve]

There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.

That man is our Chairman.

I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.

No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.

But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.

If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?

It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.

Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.

Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?

The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.

As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.

Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.

I disagree with you, Baz, that it matters not. People are now starting to vote with their feet. Despite being a ST holder, I won't be attending any more home games until this sh*tshow is sorted out, and many supporters are talking the same way.

The club will see how much it matters when crowds drop below 3000.

[silent majority]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.

Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.

You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.

They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.

Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.

They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered  about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.

It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.

Yet again more nonsense.

I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.

And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.

Whilst I don't doubt at all that your attempts to hold their feet to the fire in face to face meetings are very well-intentioned and that you personally work very hard at what you do for the club, it doesn't mean anything really though does it as ultimately they aren't accountable to you. They can tell you what you want to hear until the cows come home but the VSC doesn't and never has had any teeth, nor is it in any position to actually effect change. The VSC shareholding is so miniscule as to be largely irrelevant to any decision making at the club or from an accountability perspective.  It creates an illusion of fan engagement and involvement but i'm unconvinced it amounts to anything more than that.

Tommy C,

This isn't the right format to be giving a comprehensive answer to your post. However there are a couple of things I would respond to.

Yes, the current shareholding doesn't have any impact, but to suggest that its an illusionary point geared to provide a fan engagement perspective that supporters don't currently have at this club is so false it doesn't deserve an answer. The shareholding we had originally did have an influence, that's how we came to have a 'supporter director' on the board, but because of the funds committed to DRFC by TB and Co then of course our percentages slipped. It was inevitable.

However we've had an impact on the club for the best part of 10 years now, and without listing everything we do let me just say our involvement is in just about everything, without us there would be no supporter SLO and we would have a very different stewarding policy as just two examples. IRWT was our idea, and I'm pleased to say the club supported that. The Shadow Board was at our suggestion too. If that's not affecting change I don't know what is.

And I'm unsure what kind of teeth you expect us to have. We hold an ACV on the stadium, which means it isn't getting sold unless we're involved, unlike Belle Vue. And as soon as the FLR is implemented we'll hold the 'Golden Share' on the club itself, which means again major decisions will not be carried out without us.

We're the insurance policy to hold things together if they ever start going wrong again. Just like a lot of other campaigns I've been involved in over the years we will be there when needed, just like Portsmouth Trust, Blackpool, Exeter, Wrexham, Leeds, Swansea, Cardiff, Charlton etc etc. Try telling them they can't affect change.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.

That man is our Chairman.

I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.

No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.

But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.

If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?

It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.

Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.

Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?

The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.

As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.

Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.

I disagree with you, Baz, that it matters not. People are now starting to vote with their feet. Despite being a ST holder, I won't be attending any more home games until this sh*tshow is sorted out, and many supporters are talking the same way.

The club will see how much it matters when crowds drop below 3000.

I meant it matters not as to his position even if you (we) had grounds to beli3ve David Blunt is directly responsible for our relegation and current form.

Of course, every fan makes a choice as I've done in the past too. It's not compulsory to attend even with a season ticket, if we can't stomach facing it.

Trouble is, I've done it a couple of times and the buggers have won!!

Anyway, it's nowt new is it, crowds don't go up when we're not winning consistently.

Crowds started declining even under JRs reign, despite his best efforts to rally folk behind the cause.

So what sh*tshow are you talking about? What you/we see on the pitch or what you perceive behind the scenes?

[no eyed deer]

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

None of this is correct, not a single bit.

1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.

2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.

3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.

You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.

 

Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.

He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.

Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?

I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.

So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible

It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.

Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.

Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.

You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.

They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.

Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.

They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered  about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.

It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.

Yet again more nonsense.

I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.

And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.

As soon as someone criticises this board you are straight on here defending them.

Do you reply believe I think they come on here, slowly people are starting to see what is happening at the club.

Bramall has deep pockets and short arms, rather we dropped down the divisions. What does he want from this club because  its not success?