Loans in and out

[selby]

  Everybody has to accept that we are not going to splash the cash in any way shape or form this transfer window by the looks of it, which prompted me to look at our squad and look if we could realistically make room andget some finacial releif by loaning out some of our players and who I would be willing to let out, and was surprised it is quite a list.
   Some are players I am not that enamoured to as far as first team chances are concerned and all I don't see doing a lot at first team level this season, and most are youngsters I hope would get something out of playing mens football at a decent level
  Ben Bottomley, and Tavonga Kuleya are out on loan to the end of the season  at a decent level and are doing well and Jack Degruchy has also had a good loan spell at FC United so hopefully they will continue either at the same clubs or even move up to better things in the case of Degruchy and Bottomley.
   First team squad members I think could benefit from good loans would be Aiden Barlow, Kieren Agard, Adam Long, and Liam Ravenhill, surely they all would benefit from playing at a decent level than being occasionally getting a run out.
   Max Waltman and Josh Andrews are our two loan players  who basically have contributed very little to the first team squad this season, in Andrews case through injury which has been unfortunate but we need players who actually play, so they would be let go.
  Jack Goodman is at Stamford on a short loan, and Jack Whiting needs blooding in mens football two of the u18s squad.
  That would open it up for up to four decent young loans who would enhance the first team squad and contributions to their wages wages and the money saved  would help the cost of players coming in.
  With Faulkner and Olowu to eventually coming back I think that would be what we need.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Very hard to read what's on the cards for January. In DS post match interview he was very coy about transfer activity only saying we have targets and talks are ongoing with specific players.

I see DFP have written a piece based on that 20 second segment of that interview which I'm sure some will read negatively however, always, better to take things with a pinch of salt and not read too much into it.

We aren't as desperate to get players in as perhaps we've been in recent January windows which gives us a bit more time to be more certain about the players we're persuing. 

[roversdude]

We definitely need another forward option and cover for Biggins/Close

[bpoolrover]

We need more pace up front of and on the wings, soon as we took the only pace we had off on sat we really struggled

[selby]

  It is really Coppinger's first big test in his new job together with the new manager and it will not be easy as well as trying to ballance the books.
  Few of those players will have loads of clubs interested at EFL level, one or two probably, most looking at National League and lower levels, but any financial savings could be put to good use hopefully on players who can challenge for first team starts.

[DearneValleyRover]

We’ve been told on more than one occasion that there is money to strengthen in this window so it’s up to Copps and Schofield to use it wisely. We will just have to wait and see

[ForsolongaRover]

The trouble with statements of  "what we need" is that so many other clubs want the same qualities. Another consideration is whether we might be marginally more attractive than some of the other clubs at the top end of League 2, and then third, do we have more cash to offer?

I suppose we might be seen as a "bigger club" than most of the others and if we could beat Orient that might enhance our promotability potential which could also help. If our finances are sound that would put us at an advantage over some of the rest too.

However, less important if we could find the right man, almost any League 2 club could seem attractive to players at level 5 and below, but whether we have a good enough talent spotting system there would be crucial.

You might conclude that a midfield Championship or PL loanee would be the best option because such a player is most likely to be used and most likely to be of a dynamic character. The ones I can remember we have had in the past have usually had that quality (even if they have not been sophisticated) which is essential as it generates drive, pace and disruption for the opposition where it matters most.     

[NickDRFC]

I think it’s easier said than done to shift out players in January, particularly those likely to be on a decent wage (probably only really Agard from those you’ve mentioned). I think that even if we managed to find clubs for Barlow, Agard, Long & Ravenhill it would be unlikely that anyone would be willing to pay more than about half their wages so not sure it would free too much up for us.

Our best bet is either having money available anyway (as others have said, this has been mentioned before) as it doesn’t rely on other clubs being interested and willing to cover wages, or finding a couple of gems from the PL who cost us very little.

[POD]

In the past we have signed players under contract in the January transfer window and it has rarely worked out.   

It seems to me to be an ideal opportunity to sign several loan players until the end of the season.  Hopefully this could be done reasonably cheaply and if only 2 out of 4 work out, that will be a bonus for our promotion push.

Our current first team looks OK, but there is no real depth beyond the main 12/13 and we have to allow for short & long term injuries, suspensions, loss of form, team rotation to rest players etc. 

[selby]

  Nick, I think it is very unlikely that there will be any ready money available, this is a test of whether we have in Copps a good DOF, and is able to do deals and get players in the club and out, and even he cannot work miracles and I don't expect him to.
  But its the world he lives in now, his job now together with the manager is to have their fingers on the button, and if the players we have are not good enough to attract other clubs they should not be here anyway, and likewise if all their ambition is is to run their contract out without playing games.
  Unlikely as it is that all those players will want to and are wanted by other clubs any contribution to their wages if they are not in or around the first team is a bonus, and those that are currently around the first team but sparingly used would be exactly the same, and if we could bring better in so much the better.
  As a start I would suggest that at least the two loanees from the start of this season should be replaced with at least two players who can contribute more to our playing staff, and may not cost as much seeing who the clubs are we have loaned them from.

[Jonathan]

As a priority, we could do with a mobile central midfield player, a mobile centre forward, and another wide player that can get goals and assists. Wouldn’t surprise me if Kieran Sadlier was to leave Bolton this window in search of minutes. If we could do a deal I don’t think it’s at all out of the question that he’d drop a division to return to Doncaster.

[Padge_DRFC]

Well there's already a saving from Tomlin. His wages aren't being used anywhere at all. Woltman is a million miles off he's a little boy in a man's game at the moment. He should go back IMO. Barlow offers nothing ye can go too. I'd keep Agard just as cover only until his contract expires.

[mushRTID]

I’d try and move out on loan Griffiths, Barlow, Long, Ravenhill.

End loans of Woltman and Andrews.

As has been said those + Tomlins wages should give us a bit of wriggle room in addition to funds that are always set aside for January.

We should be in a healthy place if we move those on and get upgrades in.

I would also try and get Clayton out on loan but cannot see him agreeing to that.

[danumdon]

Very difficult for us to know the financials behind the loan deals we have currently so its not cut and dried if we make savings from releasing the two(if that still is a two)Contribution wise then certainly we could do with some sort of upgrade from Woultman and Roberts.

I'd be very open to the like of a Sadlier type of player back on a loan, would he now be out of our price range? but we could certainly do with an additional wide player who could also fill in down the middle if required.

The elusive dominant central midfielder still eludes us, if we could get one on loan it could move our side up to the next level. This would give us the option of reassessing the situation in the summer depending on our position, if it works out then we know what we need to do.

[selby]

  Tyke I have seen him play, he is a good player mate. Watched him play for Guisley and stood out with as you say his physicality and work rate.

[mushRTID]

I understand as of today you are interested in bringing our young midfield player Joe Ackeroyd to Rovers .

Possible initial loan but could be permanent , Joe's out of contract at the end of the season but we have a one year option .

I understand there's some bits and pieces to resolve but there is genuine  interest from Rovers I understand .

Joe's 20 years old , had a loan spell in the Czech Republic last season which went well and had a recent loan spell with Guiseley .

I'd appreciate this may be a tad underwhelming for Rovers fans but just bear in mind it's a tough gig getting in to our midfield for an Academy product , there's just short of a £4m spend in our midfield collectively when everyone is fit end they are always going to take preference unless we unearth a Phil Foden .

What I've seen of Joe is that he's supremely fit , great engine and will run all day , he likes a tackle too and gets stuck in .

Not saying it will 100% come off this deal but I understand Joe is very keen .



 

4 goals in 13 games for Guiseley.
His loan there was due to expire today but Barnsley recalled him in mid December.

You would think that points to him going out elsewhere.

[ravenrover]

  Nick, I think it is very unlikely that there will be any ready money available, this is a test of whether we have in Copps a good DOF, and is able to do deals and get players in the club and out, and even he cannot work miracles and I don't expect him to.
  But its the world he lives in now, his job now together with the manager is to have their fingers on the button, and if the players we have are not good enough to attract other clubs they should not be here anyway, and likewise if all their ambition is is to run their contract out without playing games.
  Unlikely as it is that all those players will want to and are wanted by other clubs any contribution to their wages if they are not in or around the first team is a bonus, and those that are currently around the first team but sparingly used would be exactly the same, and if we could bring better in so much the better.
  As a start I would suggest that at least the two loanees from the start of this season should be replaced with at least two players who can contribute more to our playing staff, and may not cost as much seeing who the clubs are we have loaned them from.

So despite word from the club via SM that money is available for the Jan window , as has been the case in recent years, you doubt it. Why is that Selby?

[selby]

  RR, unlike SM I have no inside information, but I think there may be a couple of signings only if players are moved out and then the money reinvested would become a possibility.so self generating and no extra money, or very little above what we are already paying out.
  Basically I think we have been unlucky through injury with Andrews, and blinded with the fact that Waltman is from Liverpool, but hardly of Liverpool standard, a common mistake identity by association in football.
 That is money that can be spent so much better by the club for the remainder of the season on players that are not household names but are ambitious and committed to doing well, which I have no doubt the two lads have had but have failed to produce.
  Any money we could get by our own fringe players going out and adding to the pot could also be used, and loans for some would be their best way of advancing their careers, but I fear the owners we have are fed up of little return for their input and have closed that money tree down, and really who can blame them we have been poor invester's in comparison with other teams for a long period, banging your head against a brick wall usually only lasts so long.

[ravenrover]

So basically not believing anything  coming from the club regarding funds being available, aah OK!

[roversdude]

  RR, unlike SM I have no inside information, but I think there may be a couple of signings only if players are moved out and then the money reinvested would become a possibility.so self generating and no extra money, or very little above what we are already paying out.
  Basically I think we have been unlucky through injury with Andrews, and blinded with the fact that Waltman is from Liverpool, but hardly of Liverpool standard, a common mistake identity by association in football.
 That is money that can be spent so much better by the club for the remainder of the season on players that are not household names but are ambitious and committed to doing well, which I have no doubt the two lads have had but have failed to produce.
  Any money we could get by our own fringe players going out and adding to the pot could also be used, and loans for some would be their best way of advancing their careers, but I fear the owners we have are fed up of little return for their input and have closed that money tree down, and really who can blame them we have been poor invester's in comparison with other teams for a long period, banging your head against a brick wall usually only lasts so long.

There is also whatever Tomlin was on

[selby]

  RR, I basically believe most of what comes out of the club, because they would soon be found out if it wasn't, also I appreciate that without the present owners and past owners the club would not exist as it is, which apart from the playing side is not such a bad place to be in.
  I have no more idea about extra funds than you have, so don't try and pre-empt what I think  as I will state that myself, and if that is what the owners want to do its their business.
 RD, yes that is a good point about Tomlin, but just the running costs of the stadium and Cantley Park will have escalated this season considerably, something most have ignored.
   The club is a double edged sword, the costs have multiplied the income reduced, how to balance it, the easiest solution is the cost of the playing staff. and increase the non playing income, which the club have tried to do.  Unlike other smaller clubs in division 1 and 2 we have not recruited well for quite a while.,
 

[BobG]

SM explicitly said funds are available in January. Are you suggesting then that SM is lying?

BobG

[BigKeif]

Also, I’m sure Gavin Baldwin stated in a free press interview a few months back that we would have a very good budget for January without the need to shift players out? I could be wrong but I thought it was along them lines.

[steve@dcfd]

GB also said we weren’t reliant on the owner for funding the club it was coming through Club Doncaster. So he said money would be available for January for transfers and SM said the same on here. So if players have to go out for extra funds then we will have to see. I don’t believe we have good fringe players to get money for them or Clubs to pay loan wages.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

As with any transfer window, a club should always take the opportunity to do some housekeeping and where possible offload players who are unlikely to feature going forward. It's just common sense.

Whether players go out permanently, or on loan remains to be seen however, from what we gather, incomings are not directly linked or dependant on those that may go out.

Probably only JC, GB & DB have their fingers directly on the financial pulse , possibly DS although I guess he will have more influence on the player preference rather than the finance.

In todays presser, Radio Sheffield once again asked DS about transfers and he was about as non committal as you can get. Just the way I like it as it keeps a lid on unhealthy speculation.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Every transfer window our supporters doubt money will be made available, and every transfer window it is. It will be youth loans, with maybe a chance of it turning permanent. Danny will know the youth systems pretty well. Might pick up an experienced free or two with some going out.

[ravenrover]

  RR, I basically believe most of what comes out of the club, because they would soon be found out if it wasn't, also I appreciate that without the present owners and past owners the club would not exist as it is, which apart from the playing side is not such a bad place to be in.
  I have no more idea about extra funds than you have, so don't try and pre-empt what I think  as I will state that myself, and if that is what the owners want to do its their business.
 RD, yes that is a good point about Tomlin, but just the running costs of the stadium and Cantley Park will have escalated this season considerably, something most have ignored.
   The club is a double edged sword, the costs have multiplied the income reduced, how to balance it, the easiest solution is the cost of the playing staff. and increase the non playing income, which the club have tried to do.  Unlike other smaller clubs in division 1 and 2 we have not recruited well for quite a while.,
 

No pre emption on my part so don't tell me what I think. Your comments alone tell me your position regarding funds being available

[steve@dcfd]

Looking at the eight players we brought in last January when funds were available to GMC. Three were loans with only Josh Martin contributing regularly in the first team squad. Five players we gave permanent contracts to have hardly lit up the squad. Injuries and not being fit enough is how they started and apart from Mitchell none are regulars in the first team even in league two. Younger unfortunately is injured, Agard the one we couldn’t miss out on is a fringe player at best. Griffiths who has shown nothing in the twelve months he’s been here and there’s talk he could be going out on loan. Clayton as played but he’s not the midfield player we require squad player at best.
The funds available then were either not sufficient to bring a better standard of player or were used unwisely by the recruitment team to spread the resources thinly.
Therefore what ever funds are available this January we need to bring in player/players that can go straight in to the first team squad and improve us.

[roversdude]

We also have a HOF this January so hopefully a great deal of work has already been done behind the scenes

[Draytonian III]

Alex Cairns the Fleetwood goalkeeper has joined Salford until the end of the season, I honestly think he will be a transfer target for us next season, a local lad and all that