Ben Whiteman

[Bailey Vickerage]

Seen today that Fulham are heavily linked with him and are going to be putting in a bid of £5m. Watford we’re linked with him earlier on this month aswell. Hasn’t been in any of Preston’s last 3 squads since they’re game against Stoke on January 2nd.

Would be more money brought in to help bolster the squad if put into the team. 

[Padge_DRFC]

Let's hope Schofield and Coppinger have 2 lists drawn up. First being what we can afford now. Then a second list if we get X amount from the Whiteman deal.

[wilts rover]

£5 million for a decent Championship midfielder - and people think we sell players cheaply!

[drfchound]

Let's hope Schofield and Coppinger have 2 lists drawn up. First being what we can afford now. Then a second list if we get X amount from the Whiteman deal.

If we are waiting for the Whiteman deal to go through before we make our minds up on who we sign, and The BW deal doesn’t go through until the last couple of days in January, then it won’t leave us much time to finalise any deals that might have been available to us.

[Chris Black come back]

This absolutely should not be part of our thinking. If it happens, we can use this more wisely in the summer. Buying players in the January window automatically inflates the value, as I hope very much Fulham or Watford find out.

[DonnyOsmond]

Already a thread on it.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=286843.0

[Campsall rover]

£5 million for a decent Championship midfielder - and people think we sell players cheaply!

I think that is about right Wilts. He has no Premier league experience. Is he seriously worth more than that?

He may turn out to be a bargain but on the other hand he might not be quite Premier League standard.
He is an unknown quantity at that level.

Fairly rare for a holding midfield player in the EFL to go for much more money than that.
Don’t forget he isn’t a striker scoring 20+ goals a season consistently at Championship level.
They are the ones that tend to fetch bigger transfer fees.

[IDM]

Let's hope Schofield and Coppinger have 2 lists drawn up. First being what we can afford now. Then a second list if we get X amount from the Whiteman deal.

No, use what we have now to bring players in during this window, set aside any money from the sell-on for the summer when we can spend it more effectively?

[i_ateallthepies]

I recall a thread on here a few months ago talking about transfer fees which revealed that most fees are structured to be paid over an extended period of time.  If that were to be the case with a deal for BW then I expect any moneys due to us would be affected similarly and not immediately available to the club.

[Janso]

I recall a thread on here a few months ago talking about transfer fees which revealed that most fees are structured to be paid over an extended period of time.  If that were to be the case with a deal for BW then I expect any moneys due to us would be affected similarly and not immediately available to the club.

In turn, you'd imagine if the "Whiteman money" was to be splashed on players, the deals would be structured in the same way.

[vaya]

You're also beholden on clubs actually paying the installments in the first place, something Sheff Utd for instance haven't managed to:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64347567

[Bessie Red]

I recall a thread on here a few months ago talking about transfer fees which revealed that most fees are structured to be paid over an extended period of time.  If that were to be the case with a deal for BW then I expect any moneys due to us would be affected similarly and not immediately available to the club.

With the money coming in, even if its over an elongated period, then it may persuade the owners to put in an immediate cash injection knowing that their money is definitely being recouped!

[IDM]

I recall a thread on here a few months ago talking about transfer fees which revealed that most fees are structured to be paid over an extended period of time.  If that were to be the case with a deal for BW then I expect any moneys due to us would be affected similarly and not immediately available to the club.

With the money coming in, even if its over an elongated period, then it may persuade the owners to put in an immediate cash injection knowing that their money is definitely being recouped!

Which could still be very late in the window which makes it difficult to conclude a deal on the right player(s).

Save it for the summer.

[Bessie Red]

I recall a thread on here a few months ago talking about transfer fees which revealed that most fees are structured to be paid over an extended period of time.  If that were to be the case with a deal for BW then I expect any moneys due to us would be affected similarly and not immediately available to the club.

With the money coming in, even if its over an elongated period, then it may persuade the owners to put in an immediate cash injection knowing that their money is definitely being recouped!

Which could still be very late in the window which makes it difficult to conclude a deal on the right player(s).

Save it for the summer.

I didn't say use it in the Jan window!

[andyst79]

£5 million for a decent Championship midfielder - and people think we sell players cheaply!

I think that is about right Wilts. He has no Premier league experience. Is he seriously worth more than that?

He may turn out to be a bargain but on the other hand he might not be quite Premier League standard.
He is an unknown quantity at that level.

Fairly rare for a holding midfield player in the EFL to go for much more money than that.
Don’t forget he isn’t a striker scoring 20+ goals a season consistently at Championship level.
They are the ones that tend to fetch bigger transfer fees.

Lundstram didn't do a bad job for Sheff u in prem or Enda Stevens for that matter. I think £5 mil is cheap for a player of his calibre in today's market

[DonnyBazR0ver]

£5 million for a decent Championship midfielder - and people think we sell players cheaply!

I think that is about right Wilts. He has no Premier league experience. Is he seriously worth more than that?

He may turn out to be a bargain but on the other hand he might not be quite Premier League standard.
He is an unknown quantity at that level.

Fairly rare for a holding midfield player in the EFL to go for much more money than that.
Don’t forget he isn’t a striker scoring 20+ goals a season consistently at Championship level.
They are the ones that tend to fetch bigger transfer fees.

Lundstram didn't do a bad job for Sheff u in Orem or Enda Stevens for that matter. I think £5 mil is cheap for a player of his calibre in today's market

I was thinking about Lundstram making it to the Prem and doing OK, so no reason to believe Whiteman couldn't do a job their either however, Blades bought Lundstram for a reported £700,000 from Oxford before they achieved promotion to the Prem. I think he since went to Rangers for free after his contract expired at Blades.

Much will depend on what release clause is in his contract. You would imagine Preston would have wanted to at least double what they paid us but that assessment would have been based on their gamble back then, not on his value to the team now.

As others have said, Fulham will be taking a gamble on an unproven player at that level, so for a midfielder £5m or £6m would be reasonable eventhough we might think by Prem standards it's very little.

[IDM]

I recall a thread on here a few months ago talking about transfer fees which revealed that most fees are structured to be paid over an extended period of time.  If that were to be the case with a deal for BW then I expect any moneys due to us would be affected similarly and not immediately available to the club.

With the money coming in, even if its over an elongated period, then it may persuade the owners to put in an immediate cash injection knowing that their money is definitely being recouped!

Which could still be very late in the window which makes it difficult to conclude a deal on the right player(s).

Save it for the summer.

I didn't say use it in the Jan window!

what does "immediate cash injection" mean then?

[Bessie Red]

Perhaps "immediate" was the wrong word to use! It may mean they are willing to put up some cash equivalent to what we get, knowing that they are most likely to get their money back eventually.

[IDM]

You would hope so!

[Retdon1]

With the money being reported, we should expect to receive around the £1 million pound mark.
Will all of this money go directly into the playing budget
Do people actually trust our current recruitment team/model to spend this money in the correct way 

[Sammy Chung was King]

We could do with looking at what Sheffield utd have available for transfer, like we did with Whiteman when we got him. He would be a steady player at premier league level.

Intelligent player who can break things up and has a good ability to pass a ball. We need somebody like him for our midfield. Someone who gives you that control of a game.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Whatever we get for him, I wish Whiteman the very best of luck.

I said two years ago that he was, in absolute terms, the best midfielder I've ever seen play for us. Looks like he might end up in decent company as one of the very best in terms of the relative standards of the day too.

A really good, dependable pro. It's not a coincidence that we have fallen apart since he left. For the previous 18 months our entire model of play was built around him. It's not very often that a player is THAT dominant at lower League level. I hope he gets a crack at the top level.

[Colemans Left Hook]

We owe a realy big debt to Chris Wilder (apart from the fact that he didn't take Marquis- TO sHEFF uNITED - after he had had him "scoring" on loan for him when he was the Northampton manager)

for allowing what i thought was an impossible transfer to Rovers to happen after the loan

He said at the time how much he wanted to keep him but there were quite a few talented midfielders in front of him .  IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO CHECK OUT WHO THEY WERE ???

Thankfully via a very heavy sell on clause we were able to "get him" and I was amazed at the time

so thank you once again Mr Wilder for two things you did to help the club.


Most of you won't know he was on loan at 4th division Mansfield earlier in his career and we were the next "loan" step up for him


i always remember this match


class class and class


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo-7kxZRCH0


that was  29 Nov 2020  and he was gone just over a month later as he was fully "exposed" to the world on tv that day.

[Filo]

We owe a realy big debt to Chris Wilder (apart from the fact that he didn't take Marquis-- after he had had him "scoring" on loan for him when he was the Northampton manager)

for allowing what i thought was an impossible transfer to Rovers to happen after the loan

He said at the time how much he wanted to keep him but there were quite a few talented midfielders in front of him .  IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO CHECK OUT WHO THEY WERE ???

Thankfully via a very heavy sell on clause we were able to "get him" and I was amazed at the time

so thank you once again Mr Wilder for two things you did to help the club.


Most of you won't know he was on loan at 4th division Mansfield earlier in his career and we were the next "loan" step up for him


i always remember this match


class class and class


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo-7kxZRCH0


that was  29 Nov 2020  and he was gone just over a month later as he was fully "exposed" to the world on tv that day.

most of us do know he was on loan at Mansfield, in fact his loan there was terminated so he could come to us, he played against us

[DonnyOsmond]

2 questions, is the percentage we get based on what they get or based on the profit they've made from him? Secondly, what percentage will we then have to send to Sheff Utd?

[Dutch Uncle]

2 questions, is the percentage we get based on what they get or based on the profit they've made from him? Secondly, what percentage will we then have to send to Sheff Utd?

According to Free Press it is percentage of profit. Same article says we refused 1.5M and accepted higher, so maybe 1.8M at a guess

With regards to the Blades I personally would be surprised if we have to pay anything (just my opinion, I can't readily recall any other incidence where it was known that a percentage of a further secondary resale was paid), but of course it depends how the contract was written when we bought BW from the Blades. Maybe Martin can comment. 

[CJK]

Usually, sell-on clauses are only for the next transfer, so Sheff Utd shouldn't be involved this time. They could be of course, depends what's in the deal, but it's probably unusual.

[LincolnDonny]

dont count chickens before they are hatched

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Was just thinking about this too. We never really get to know the finer detail...other than when the press say things like 'it's understood' or 'believed to be' etc.

As with many transfers, payments can be made in installents. How likely is it Sheff Utd get their cut in installments too when we receive the installments from PNE?

Likewise, if he goes to Fulham, would we be receiving the sell on in installments??

I'm no expert on these matters but I'm guessing lump sums are not exchanged in one go.

We often see reports of clubs who still owe large sums in unpaid...or outstanding transfer fees.

It may mean PNE have to settle what they owe us, and in turn we settle with Sheff U. If there's owt outstanding.

Clear as mud!

[Spud]

Whatever we get for him, I wish Whiteman the very best of luck.

I said two years ago that he was, in absolute terms, the best midfielder I've ever seen play for us. Looks like he might end up in decent company as one of the very best in terms of the relative standards of the day too.

A really good, dependable pro. It's not a coincidence that we have fallen apart since he left. For the previous 18 months our entire model of play was built around him. It's not very often that a player is THAT dominant at lower League level. I hope he gets a crack at the top level.

& not forgetting he signed a new contract rather than letting his existing one run down, knowing that he was getting interest & thus getting us a better fee.
Top man.