Sack the board

[Bentley Bullet]

Gary Coleman's doing a great job at Accrington,

Whatch'you talking 'bout Willis?

John Coleman! Bloody predictive text!

 

[Avsuptem]

I'm becoming a little exasperated with all the simplistic comments which have been posted so far. Even some of my responses have made things look simpler than what they are, and for that I apologise.

I'm trying to strike a balance between what I know, what I think I know and at the same time retain the confidence of people who keep me informed and answer my questions when I ask them.

What I do know is that the ownership model at DRFC is not as simple as everybody seems to make it out to be. We've had people come and go over the years that has complicated the picture and they've come in at different levels and at different costs. The VSC for example was a major player at one point because of our shareholding but that £110,000 we paid for shares has been whittled away to nothing these days. I doubt anybody even acknowledges it these days which is a pity but understandable. DB bought into the business when asked by TB and DW, how much that cost I don't remember the exact figure but I'll go back and check my records and see if I can find it. I did say it was millions but it was probably not that high. JR exited the business and left his loans and so did the Watson family.

I can't understand how anybody on this forum can level any criticism at GB though. He, more than anyone else, has been the driving force behind the commercial success of the club in recent years. He is a shareholder, but there are different types of shares in any business and I'm suggesting that they are a burden rather than the financial benefit people claim them to be. Much like the VSC shares they come at a cost. And its the increasing commercial viability of the Club Doncaster model that will be the driver going forward, the more that makes the bigger the budget we have, that's been the model for a number of years now and GB is responsible for that.

But all this guff about incentivising GB to run a sustainable business rather than providing funds for the playing budget is exactly that, just guff. Some people on this forum seem to think that the playing budget was cut in order to make the club sustainable which again is a nonsense, the playing budget is set by the Chair, not by GB. The Chair sets the playing budget and then GB, along with Richard the FD, need to provide a business plan that gets them to where they need to be.

Those who also hark back to the good old days of JR have very short memories. We weren't the successful club that everybody remembers without the funding of the Watson and Bramall families. 2006/07 was the time period when they joined JR and we were still at a crumbling Belle Vue at the time. 2013 was the time that JR offered them the 'deal of the century' as he called it and wanted them to sell their shareholding in the club for peanuts to a hedge fund who didn't have two pennies to rub together. People forget how we were being sold down the river for one man. That was 10 years ago!! And since then it was about the Watson family who regrettably stepped down but wrote off their £14m, and the Bramall family who have also contributed many millions. But yet we don't have a Chairman who can bang the drum!

Well SM you seem to have successully derided a lot of posters on this thread who sadly lack your vast inside knowledge and evidently greater wisdom. Let us all.pity those of us with short memories who spout 'guff' and are guilty of being simplistic, moreover woe betide anyone who speaks highly of JR who in your view was willing to sell the club for peanuts (perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all) but may I suggest that even those of us who are less well informed have a right to express opinions and ask questions ? Also may I suggest that 'above crticism' Gavin Baldwin who certainly appears to be good at his job is probably paid a big fat salary for it, money which might otherwise go into the playing budget. Or, do you think that responsibility should not be accompanied by accountability ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

[Upton Rover]

Look I think we are United in how we feel about the current league position (even if we are within touching distance of the play offs), however for all the the anti board posts I am yet to see anyone put forward an alternative. It’s all well and goodi saying sell it - but who to ? The first person who turns up ? Mr Hedge Fund ?
There are a lot of clubs over the last few years cursing their owners
In my honest opinion a couple of wins and the question of ownership will slip down the conversational order

can you see us getting a couple of wins? Maybe 2 wins in 4 but not good enough, where do you see the wins coming from? I thought 1 would be today

[Chris Black come back]

I think the admittedly dwindling numbers of those who still believe "it will all click soon' have missed what is happening here. This group of player is just rank bad. There is no sign whatsoever they can get their act together and go on a run.

We are not playing teams off the park here and just being unlucky. We are not a good side. In fact, we are consistently poor. We play poor football. We are laughable defensively, too slow in midfield, and ponderous in attack. All of this wrapped in a thick blanket of spinelessness.

There is no "click' going to happen here as this group of players have shown consistently all season that they are what they are - a lower mid table side in League Two. A few young lads coming in on loan isn't going to change that, neither is tinkering with the formation.

[Avsuptem]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

Thanks for the enlightenment. Perhaps you could explain and quantify what the assets are ? There is value in the playing staff, also the training ground which i believe is owned by the club. What else ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

Thanks for the enlightenment. Perhaps you could explain and quantify what the assets are ? There is value in the playing staff, also the training ground which i believe is owned by the club. What else ?

I'm not your mum, do your own homework.

[Avsuptem]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

Btw, a bit off topic I know but Google paid 22 billion for WhatsApp who had never returned a profit, the reason being the potential.for growth. But its a bit hard to see where the growth for DRFC is coming from, especialy after being beaten at home by the monkey hangers

[Avsuptem]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

Thanks for the enlightenment. Perhaps you could explain and quantify what the assets are ? There is value in the playing staff, also the training ground which i believe is owned by the club. What else ?

I'm not your mum, do your own homework.

I did but the dog ate it

[Ldr]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

Btw, a bit off topic I know but Google paid 22 billion for WhatsApp who had never returned a profit, the reason being the potential.for growth. But its a bit hard to see where the growth for DRFC is coming from, especialy after being beaten at home by the monkey hangers

Am sure thats new to Google..........

[Donnybax]

David Blunt has never taken a penny out of this club, nor has TB.

They have both contributed millions though into keeping this club going.

And this is how we value them?

there is no way blunt has put millions into this football club, that’s an exaggerated figure. From the outside he appears to be doing an absolutely horrific job as Chatman so in terms of valuing him he gets the stick he deserves. I actually think he deserves more flack as most of the abuse said/written about Baldwin should be directed at Blunt.

[Thorney]

Look I think we are United in how we feel about the current league position (even if we are within touching distance of the play offs), however for all the the anti board posts I am yet to see anyone put forward an alternative. It’s all well and goodi saying sell it - but who to ? The first person who turns up ? Mr Hedge Fund ?
There are a lot of clubs over the last few years cursing their owners
In my honest opinion a couple of wins and the question of ownership will slip down the conversational order

can you see us getting a couple of wins? Maybe 2 wins in 4 but not good enough, where do you see the wins coming from? I thought 1 would be today

Before today I was adamant we would go on a good run.
Today was the banker of all the games coming up. I had them in my acca.

Now I'm  so deflated and cannot see any Light at the end of the tunnel. We have been beaten at home by the team with the worst away record in the football league.

My support I'm afraid is at an all time low. It's not gone yet but it's damn hard

[Chris Black come back]

perhaps you would like to explain to us ignoramuses how a perenially loss making business has any value at all

If you can't understand that even a loss-making business still has assets then perhaps you're right to call yourself an ignoramus.

Btw, a bit off topic I know but Google paid 22 billion for WhatsApp who had never returned a profit, the reason being the potential.for growth. But its a bit hard to see where the growth for DRFC is coming from, especialy after being beaten at home by the monkey hangers

Very few Technology firms turn a profit. Some don't even have revenues before acquisition. The colossal valuations are down to an assessment of future success, or the ability to monopolise a nascent market from the outset. None of this applies to a football club that has been around since 1879 playing a sport that was formalised a few decades earlier.

[Campsall rover]

I think the admittedly dwindling numbers of those who still believe "it will all click soon' have missed what is happening here. This group of player is just rank bad. There is no sign whatsoever they can get their act together and go on a run.

We are not playing teams off the park here and just being unlucky. We are not a good side. In fact, we are consistently poor. We play poor football. We are laughable defensively, too slow in midfield, and ponderous in attack. All of this wrapped in a thick blanket of spinelessness.

There is no "click' going to happen here as this group of players have shown consistently all season that they are what they are - a lower mid table side in League Two. A few young lads coming in on loan isn't going to change that, neither is tinkering with the formation.

I disagree.
I think the manager is not getting them playing anywhere near what they are capable of.

Yes we need a proper mister at the back. A real leader on the park and off it.
We also need another midfielder a real enforcer. Ball winner but someone with legs.
Jury out on Lavery he may be ok for this league and Miller needs a goal asap to get his mojo back. He looks short of confidence.

Jury out on Anderson at present, he doesn’t seem the same confident player he was.
In the summer clear out Williams, Long, Seaman, Ravenhill,  Barlow, Agard & Griffiths and replace with some quality.
Loan players will go no doubt. Maybe sign Brown if we can.
Olowu and Faulkner are our future but the big priority is a proper experienced centre back, a leader.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I’ve been hoping it’ll click for ages now and honestly thought it would. Don’t believe it now.

So much time on the training ground and we’re worse. Have to give DS time the majority of this squad have had too much time.

Anyone left over from last season should never have worn the shirt again. We signed L2 players, ones who can improve but nonetheless L2 players, this summer. So we have half a team that are worse than L2 level and another half for who it is their level

[silent majority]

David Blunt has never taken a penny out of this club, nor has TB.

They have both contributed millions though into keeping this club going.

And this is how we value them?

there is no way blunt has put millions into this football club, that’s an exaggerated figure. From the outside he appears to be doing an absolutely horrific job as Chatman so in terms of valuing him he gets the stick he deserves. I actually think he deserves more flack as most of the abuse said/written about Baldwin should be directed at Blunt.

If you read further down the thread I did retract that to a point where I said I was unsure about his initial investment and I would check my records. I also meant to say that between them they'd invested millions, but it didn't read that way.

I’ve also defended GB for a number of years now because of his commercial acumen and the ability to generate the profits that CD does.

[Daniel_Smith]

David Blunt has never taken a penny out of this club, nor has TB.

They have both contributed millions though into keeping this club going.

And this is how we value them?

there is no way blunt has put millions into this football club, that’s an exaggerated figure. From the outside he appears to be doing an absolutely horrific job as Chatman so in terms of valuing him he gets the stick he deserves. I actually think he deserves more flack as most of the abuse said/written about Baldwin should be directed at Blunt.

If you read further down the thread I did retract that to a point where I said I was unsure about his initial investment and I would check my records.

I’ve also defended GB for a number of years now because of his commercial acumen and the ability to generate the profits that CD does.

Baldwin has done exactly what he was brought in to do - make Club Doncaster commercially successful, and done so during a nationwide economic downturn, which makes his success even more noteworthy.

I know he's been ruthless in his assessment of Rovers matchday spending. I do wonder if that sent the fear of god into the board on their assessment of how much money they should put into the playing squad though, and the board have adopted his frugal outlook. Just a theory.

Any ire towards GB is misplaced though.

[Donnybax]

David Blunt has never taken a penny out of this club, nor has TB.

They have both contributed millions though into keeping this club going.

And this is how we value them?

there is no way blunt has put millions into this football club, that’s an exaggerated figure. From the outside he appears to be doing an absolutely horrific job as Chatman so in terms of valuing him he gets the stick he deserves. I actually think he deserves more flack as most of the abuse said/written about Baldwin should be directed at Blunt.

If you read further down the thread I did retract that to a point where I said I was unsure about his initial investment and I would check my records. I also meant to say that between them they'd invested millions, but it didn't read that way.

I’ve also defended GB for a number of years now because of his commercial acumen and the ability to generate the profits that CD does.

I have no issue at all with Baldwin as I said. He seems to do a very good job at generating income which is essentially his job role. That can’t be easy in this climate. Blunt however again as I’ve said appears to be doing an absolutely terrible job and should not be in the job he is in. From the outside I can’t see one reason why he should be our chairman, especially after the god awful last few years.

[donnybez]

Morecambe have an average home gate of over 4500 in League One.

Accrington Stanley have had 5 seasons in League 1 with around 3000.
Bradford City have had four seasons in League 2 with over 10000.

Accrington Stanly have the best manager of all 92 Premier league and EFL clubs.

Based on the size of the club, attendances and budget Coleman should have had Manager of the season for 6 yrs running imo.
He has produced a miracle at that club.

What happens when a manager plays pragmatic, realistic football based on resource not ideology ; and an owner backs said manager with realistic resources required whilst building the clubs infrastructure responsibly towards a grander vision.

We have built up great infrastructure, I can't deny that. however I certainly question the rest.

[donnydogk9]

Seems my offer of the banners has now been taken up! Protests arranged before the Tranmere game, meet outside the East Stand at 7:15pm. “Sack the Board”

[Cramby10]

Grow up

[roversdude]

Seems my offer of the banners has now been taken up! Protests arranged before the Tranmere game, meet outside the East Stand at 7:15pm. “Sack the Board”

Pathetic

[Filo]

Seems my offer of the banners has now been taken up! Protests arranged before the Tranmere game, meet outside the East Stand at 7:15pm. “Sack the Board”

Will there be enough room for all 20 of you?

[bobbymax]

Seems my offer of the banners has now been taken up! Protests arranged before the Tranmere game, meet outside the East Stand at 7:15pm. “Sack the Board”

Clown

[The Beast]

The club seems to be on the decline from a football perspective but I've got a feeling 'Sack the board' campaign could finish up like Brexit. When we've got a consortium of local/foreign crooks in charge, who's going to launch the petition to ask for TB to come back?
We're not happy because we've maybe seen such riches, maybe we as the supporters need to change our perspective. We're a pub team who had an excursion to sunlit uplands and have returned to the pub league. At least we've got a nice ground and a training ground, if no real assets on the pitch.

[silent majority]

Sacking the board is shortsighted, if not impossible!

A better option would be to get Terry and others to dig a bit deeper, which is the message I've passed on.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Seems my offer of the banners has now been taken up! Protests arranged before the Tranmere game, meet outside the East Stand at 7:15pm. “Sack the Board”

Tilting at windmills. And the wrong bloody windmills at that.

[idler]

Bradford City have played in the old First Division as well as two Seasons in the Premier League.
in their history have won the FA Cup.
Lost in a League Cup Final at Wembley.
Played in Europe.
Been to Wembley in play off finals three or four times.
They have been stuck in the lowest league since 2019.
There fans have sadly held up over the last few years far better than a lot of ours.
I’m as disappointed as anybody but some comments beggar belief.
We more or less have to write this season off now and hope that lessons have been learned and we can turn it around in the summer.

[roversdude]

I hope the OP realises that it’s a school night and his chums may have homework

[drfc1951]

Cant we organise a counter protest against the sack the board idiots.