Liz Truss

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've just read her piece this morning.

I really don't say this lightly and it's absolutely not meant as an insult: she is deeply mentally ill.

She says that her economic plans were never given a chance because they were  brought down by the left wing economic establishment.

Her economic plans were brought down by the fact that the bond markets thought they were utterly nonsensical.

She appears to be in a mental state where she's convinces this is some left wing plot and she's been the victim.

Two thoughts.

1) It's very much in her personal interests never to hold high office again, because it is clearly very unhealthy for her.

2) Thank f**k we didn't have a truly existential threat visited upon us when she was in No10.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is the sort of thing I mean about her being mentally unwell.

"I assumed upon entering Downing Street that my mandate would be respected and accepted. How wrong I was."

In other words, she expected to stroll into Downing Street and implement whatever economic policy she wished, have everyone support her, and the financial markets just carry on as normal. Because 60,000 swivel-eyed right wing golf club bores had voted for her.

She is utterly divorced from reality. Dangerously so.

[Filo]

I’ve said this elsewhere, the turd that will not flush

[tyke1962]

This is the sort of thing I mean about her being mentally unwell.

"I assumed upon entering Downing Street that my mandate would be respected and accepted. How wrong I was."

In other words, she expected to stroll into Downing Street and implement whatever economic policy she wished, have everyone support her, and the financial markets just carry on as normal. Because 60,000 swivel-eyed right wing golf club bores had voted for her.

She is utterly divorced from reality. Dangerously so.

You've absolutely no idea about her mental state , none what so ever and it's a ridiculous accusation .

Under the spell of right wing economic think tanks most certainly , willing to put her name to anything to climb the political ladder defiantly .

[Donnywolf]

She's kept stum , lying low , a woman scorned and she's chosen to join Johnson and be back in the limelight

Both of them seek to blame others , any number of others for the fact that they couldn't hold down the PM job and were ousted

They can be happy (especially Truss) with their 116k a year for life for just being the PM. Nice work if you can get it

Let history judge which one was worst PM and which one was the width of a human hair better

[wilts rover]

This is the sort of thing I mean about her being mentally unwell.

"I assumed upon entering Downing Street that my mandate would be respected and accepted. How wrong I was."

In other words, she expected to stroll into Downing Street and implement whatever economic policy she wished, have everyone support her, and the financial markets just carry on as normal. Because 60,000 swivel-eyed right wing golf club bores had voted for her.

She is utterly divorced from reality. Dangerously so.

Not really. She is full of the arrogance & self belief that having the full support of the right-wing think tanks, and some of the richest people in the country who they speak on behalf of, brings.

They believe cutting taxes for the rich and scrapping working & environmental regulations that protect workers & the publics health is the perfect form of government. The world financial markets disagree with her.

She isn't mad. But she, and the idealogues she represents, are very dangerous.

[redwine]

Or as she should be called 65 billion Liz

[Sprotyrover]

I wouldn't even waste my time reading the article!

[belton rover]

It’s yet another terrible thing to say, Billy. If nothing else, a shameful insult to anyone who suffers with mental illness.
Is there a such a thing as a mental illness phobia?it seems to be your go too for people you don’t like.

[Muttley]

They can be happy (especially Truss) with their 116k a year for life for just being the PM. Nice work if you can get it
 

The £116k a year is not a salary or pension, it's the maximum amount of expenses an ex-PM can claim back for costs incurred fulfilling public duties associated with being a former prime minister.

https://fullfact.org/economy/liz-truss-public-duty-cost-allowance/

[drfchound]

It’s yet another terrible thing to say, Billy. If nothing else, a shameful insult to anyone who suffers with mental illness.
Is there a such a thing as a mental illness phobia?it seems to be your go too for people you don’t like.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is the sort of thing I mean about her being mentally unwell.

"I assumed upon entering Downing Street that my mandate would be respected and accepted. How wrong I was."

In other words, she expected to stroll into Downing Street and implement whatever economic policy she wished, have everyone support her, and the financial markets just carry on as normal. Because 60,000 swivel-eyed right wing golf club bores had voted for her.

She is utterly divorced from reality. Dangerously so.

Not really. She is full of the arrogance & self belief that having the full support of the right-wing think tanks, and some of the richest people in the country who they speak on behalf of, brings.

They believe cutting taxes for the rich and scrapping working & environmental regulations that protect workers & the publics health is the perfect form of government. The world financial markets disagree with her.

She isn't mad. But she, and the idealogues she represents, are very dangerous.

I disagree that it's arrogance Wilts. It goes beyond that. There's a detachment from objective reality in her words. An absolute refusal to question whether the near catastrophe that she visited on the UK might actually have been her doing. Instead there's an insistence that she was right all along. And that "I was in CHARGE! How DARE they not support me?"

It goes beyond anything that can be described as simple arrogance. I've experience of being close to people with neurodivergency and the way Truss acts and speaks screams that out. An utter inability to see her faults or how other people see her. An insistence that she is right, full stop, regardless of the contrary evidence. The throwing up of ridiculous false enemies to blame for her failings. The way in which she was reduced to an almost zombie state by the stress of dealing with the carnage she unleashed.

 It's not healthy for her to be in the position she ended up in and it sure as hell wasn't healthy for the country.

The people who are egging her on to chuck herself into the fray again should be ashamed of themselves.

But of course, they won't be.

[tyke1962]

This is the sort of thing I mean about her being mentally unwell.

"I assumed upon entering Downing Street that my mandate would be respected and accepted. How wrong I was."

In other words, she expected to stroll into Downing Street and implement whatever economic policy she wished, have everyone support her, and the financial markets just carry on as normal. Because 60,000 swivel-eyed right wing golf club bores had voted for her.

She is utterly divorced from reality. Dangerously so.

Not really. She is full of the arrogance & self belief that having the full support of the right-wing think tanks, and some of the richest people in the country who they speak on behalf of, brings.

They believe cutting taxes for the rich and scrapping working & environmental regulations that protect workers & the publics health is the perfect form of government. The world financial markets disagree with her.

She isn't mad. But she, and the idealogues she represents, are very dangerous.

I disagree that it's arrogance Wilts. It goes beyond that. There's a detachment from objective reality in her words. An absolute refusal to question whether the near catastrophe that she visited on the UK might actually have been her doing. Instead there's an insistence that she was right all along. And that "I was in CHARGE! How DARE they not support me?"

It goes beyond anything that can be described as simple arrogance. I've experience of being close to people with neurodivergency and the way Truss acts and speaks screams that out. An utter inability to see her faults or how other people see her. An insistence that she is right, full stop, regardless of the contrary evidence. The throwing up of ridiculous false enemies to blame for her failings. The way in which she was reduced to an almost zombie state by the stress of dealing with the carnage she unleashed.

 It's not healthy for her to be in the position she ended up in and it sure as hell wasn't healthy for the country.

The people who are egging her on to chuck herself into the fray again should be ashamed of themselves.

But of course, they won't be.

It actually wasn't entirely her fault she tanked the economy .

[Branton Red]

Truss was brought down by the financial (particularly bond) markets reaction to her economic plans.

The financial markets are influenced by the hard-headed pragmatic financial self interests of it's participants. Not by political idealogies.

Liz Truss is, whatever we think of her actions, a highly intelligent individual - she got into Oxford having studied at a standard Comprehensive school. She's not stupid - far from it (which doesn't preclude her from being wrong).

Therefore I agree with the OP that her opinion she was brought down by some left-wing establishment stitch up is suggestive of somebody with a mental health issue.

Regardless of her politics, actions and the results of those actions on others I expressed a concern for her mental well being when her premiership unravelled. I maintain that concern.

I hope her close family are giving her the support she needs plus wise counsel.

[Colemans Left Hook]

This is the sort of thing I mean about her being mentally unwell.

"I assumed upon entering Downing Street that my mandate would be respected and accepted. How wrong I was."

In other words, she expected to stroll into Downing Street and implement whatever economic policy she wished, have everyone support her, and the financial markets just carry on as normal. Because 60,000 swivel-eyed right wing golf club bores had voted for her.

She is utterly divorced from reality. Dangerously so.

 I am really worried concerning your persistent reference to the non existent "golf club bores"  ( have you been bar-red from the 19th hole  or do you have an albatross round your neck) at least you have relented for a couple of years mentioning Gove's walk

think you need a new script writer

[ravenrover]

My daughters friend also excelled at exams both at Senior school and at Uni where she studied law. How?  because she learnt everything by rote, ask her anything about the world around her she didn't have a clue
Trustless very intelligent because she passed exams and got to Oxford mmmmm!
Pork, cheese.......

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

There was a bit of merit in some of the things she wanted to do undoubtedly.  But she didn't find any semblance of balance to it.  Yes encourage growth, investment etc but you've got to find the right time and amount of money to do that.

[Branton Red]

My daughters friend also excelled at exams both at Senior school and at Uni where she studied law. How?  because she learnt everything by rote, ask her anything about the world around her she didn't have a clue
Trustless very intelligent because she passed exams and got to Oxford mmmmm!
Pork, cheese.......

Of course there's a strong link between academic achievement and intelligence.

To get into Oxford you don't just need excellent grades but also, unlike most Universities, have an interview process to get through - only about 3 in 10 interviewees are offered a place.

I can't speak for Truss' course but in addition many courses require written essays and/or admission tests on top of this.

The selection process at Oxford (and Cambridge) is exceedingly rigorous. Dunces do not go to Oxford from Comprehensive schools.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

I agree it's great that a senior Tory finally realised we need growth in the economy, after they've presided over the worst decade of economic growth since the South Sea Bubble, and seemed to think they'd done a good job.

The ridiculous part of her plans was insisting that you could bring stable, sustainable growth by cutting taxes, mainly for the wealthy, by £45bn because Patrick Minford said it would be OK.

That was close to a dictionary definition of insanity, in that it was an opinion that was almost impossible to defend against the real world, it was totally irrational and it betrayed a total inability to understand why pretty much no-one else believed it could work.

To then call the fact that the international money markets thought it was absolutely away with the fairies, some sort of left wing plot suggests a total detachment from what anyone else would consider normal.

[MachoMadness]

She's not mentally ill. It's not that deep. She's just trying to defend her hard right libertarian ideology after we all saw it crumble into dust very publicly.

When people have to defend the indefensible they tie themselves in knots and start making ridiculous reaches that everyone can see through.

Her low tax libertarian ideas f**ked the country, everyone knows they did, but she has to pretend they didn't. Simple as that.

[tyke1962]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

[Branton Red]

She's not mentally ill. It's not that deep. She's just trying to defend her hard right libertarian ideology after we all saw it crumble into dust very publicly.

When people have to defend the indefensible they tie themselves in knots and start making ridiculous reaches that everyone can see through.

Her low tax libertarian ideas f**ked the country, everyone knows they did, but she has to pretend they didn't. Simple as that.

That's a fair argument and you may well be right re her left wing conspiracy theory.

Hard to imagine that she hasn't suffered some kind of mental health issues though given what, very publicly, happened to her.

[Branton Red]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

[wilts rover]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

I would be very interested as to why Tyke, or anyone else, thinks the Bank of England are left wing - which is what Truss alleged!!!

Putting interest rates up during rising inflation is a right wing policy. It has helped the rich (with savings) and hurt the poorest (rising prices).

Richard Murphy goes into this in detail on his blog:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

[tyke1962]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

I would be very interested as to why Tyke, or anyone else, thinks the Bank of England are left wing - which is what Truss alleged!!!

Putting interest rates up during rising inflation is a right wing policy. It has helped the rich (with savings) and hurt the poorest (rising prices).

Richard Murphy goes into this in detail on his blog:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

When did I post that I thought the BOE were left wing ?

[wilts rover]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

I would be very interested as to why Tyke, or anyone else, thinks the Bank of England are left wing - which is what Truss alleged!!!

Putting interest rates up during rising inflation is a right wing policy. It has helped the rich (with savings) and hurt the poorest (rising prices).

Richard Murphy goes into this in detail on his blog:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

When did I post that I thought the BOE were left wing ?

In the quote above you talk about the BoE policies and then say of Truss 'there's actually something in what she says'. She said she had been brought down by the 'left-wing economic establishment'.

[tyke1962]

 

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

Why are they continuing to push up interest rates ? , they did so again last week .

Raising interest rates to curb spending and attempt to bring inflation down takes longer to work than the BOE would like you to know , 12 months and in some circumstances 2 years .

Inflation is likely to come down before the rise in interest rates kick in and yet .........

So why are they waging war on mortgage payers and renters who have the cost past on to them ?

Whose interests do you think they are representing ?

[tyke1962]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

I would be very interested as to why Tyke, or anyone else, thinks the Bank of England are left wing - which is what Truss alleged!!!

Putting interest rates up during rising inflation is a right wing policy. It has helped the rich (with savings) and hurt the poorest (rising prices).

Richard Murphy goes into this in detail on his blog:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

When did I post that I thought the BOE were left wing ?

In the quote above you talk about the BoE policies and then say of Truss 'there's actually something in what she says'. She said she had been brought down by the 'left-wing economic establishment'.

I think you've not read the bit where I said the rubbish she spouted today about left wing economic establishments .

[wilts rover]

Let me say this , her ability as a leader was non existent , absolutely no observation skills and cloth ears , not even remotely fit for purpose to lead this country .

However her and then Chancellor's budget compounded the economic crash  specifically with regard to pension funds but they didn't create that climate .

The Bank Of England did so despite the rubbish she's spouted today about left wing economic establishments blah blah blah and not my fault guv .

There's actually something in what she says .

Hi Tyke

I think the current BoE Governor has been a pretty sensible hand on the tiller under trying circumstances. Would be interested to know why you think otherwise

I would be very interested as to why Tyke, or anyone else, thinks the Bank of England are left wing - which is what Truss alleged!!!

Putting interest rates up during rising inflation is a right wing policy. It has helped the rich (with savings) and hurt the poorest (rising prices).

Richard Murphy goes into this in detail on his blog:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

When did I post that I thought the BOE were left wing ?

In the quote above you talk about the BoE policies and then say of Truss 'there's actually something in what she says'. She said she had been brought down by the 'left-wing economic establishment'.

I think you've not read the bit where I said the rubbish she spouted today about left wing economic establishments .

I think you then need to re-read the bit where you say 'there is actually something in what she says'.

If she wasn't brought down by the 'left-wing economic establishment' there is nothing in what she says.

[ravenrover]

My daughters friend also excelled at exams both at Senior school and at Uni where she studied law. How?  because she learnt everything by rote, ask her anything about the world around her she didn't have a clue
Trustless very intelligent because she passed exams and got to Oxford mmmmm!
Pork, cheese.......

Of course there's a strong link between academic achievement and intelligence.

To get into Oxford you don't just need excellent grades but also, unlike most Universities, have an interview process to get through - only about 3 in 10 interviewees are offered a place.

I can't speak for Truss' course but in addition many courses require written essays and/or admission tests on top of this.

The selection process at Oxford (and Cambridge) is exceedingly rigorous. Dunces do not go to Oxford from Comprehensive schools.

Thanks for that Branton I know only two well the acceptance procedure thank you, my son, from a comprehensive school, was selected for an interview at Oxford. His morning session went well but he omitted to tell the afternoon session he had been mugged at lunch time in a local park. The session did not go well and he was not accepted. His friend from the same comprehensive school was successfull and is currently the Chaplin at Durham prison.
Truss may well have the ability to get good grades in exams and manage the interviews but as for being politically intelligent...........