Roald Dahl

[Bentley Bullet]

False equivalence, is the simple last resort of those on a political side who simply cannot bear for their chosen representatives to be shown to be liars or corrupt.

Nah, having no policies and spending all day criticizing the opposition is the simple last resort of a political side.

[danumdon]

Has anyone questioned when this all started? IMHO it started when in kids sports days every kid had to be a winner and there wasn’t a loser. Now those kids are the ones re-writing Dahl. Where will it end?

Many would agree with this, you could also say that academia drives a great deal of this type of group think. Around this particular time it was also the case that schools and teachers began to take a massive step back from partaking in extra curricular activities with kids, during and after school, using all sorts of spurious reasons for this from child safeguarding to uninsured activities and even the sale and loss of school playing fields.

In my opinion a massive corner was turned when this happened, a great many kids were lost to unsocial behaviour, drug taking, gangs and general misbehaviour. Its never recovered and we now have a completely dumbed down section of society, without a care or thought for anything but, junk telly, celebrity seeking, throwaway lifestyles.

In the meantime the real dangerous instigators and political agitators are trying to rewrite history into their perspective and lead society down the road of their particular crusade and narrative, without question and comment from a placid and dumbed down populace.

[BillyStubbsTears]

What I think you're saying BB is that you knew Johnson was a pathological liar, the line of whom we've never seen in UK politics. And, rather than reflect on that and criticise his lying, because a few folk pointed out his lies, you took it on yourself to try to convince yourself that other politicians are at least as bad.

What you think I'm saying is incorrect, so there's no change there. I never denied Johnson told lies, unlike you who never admitted Starmer did. In your bent and biased world, only Johnson told lies, whereas Starmer only made untruthful mistakes!

Social media nowadays means politicians are under the spotlight 24/7, meaning anything and everything they say, either on or off the record is brought out in public, enabling people, like you, to select and share those that suit your agenda. That has left us with a country full of hate and bad losers who will no longer accept a vote that goes against them.

With the amount of time spent with cameras pushed in their faces these days, there is little wonder why the leading one and most detested by the bad losers, Boris Johnson, was the one accused of being the biggest liar seen in UK politics. What encourages this is Johnsons off the cuff remarks which are all far too often taken far too seriously by those, like you, with an agenda.

I honestly think if Brian Clough was a Tory MP he'd be called a liar because he said he'd often take a walk across the River Trent.

Starmer will be just as bad when he has the pressure of being in power, and those who will be on the losing side of the vote this time will get their revenge and rip Starmer a new arsehole.

I will be one of them.

Do you want me to go back and dig out you denying that Johnson deliberately lied over the £350m on the bus?

And it's nothing to do with off the cuff remarks (Although he does regularly lie on those too - every politician stumbles at some point off the cuff: the point is whether you correct the record when a factually incorrect comment is made in the heat of the moment).

The point is that Johnson, unlike any previous politician, has a career-long record of lying when he takes his time to make considered statements, or write articles.-Show me any other PM whose career started with him working as a journalist and deliberately lying about EU regulations or simply inventing stories. That's deliberate lying in slow time, not slipping up in an off the cuff quote.

I accept that all politicians spin and dissemble and put the best gloss on everything they say. What I don't accept is that any major politician until Johnson, made a career out of blatantly lying about matters of objective truth. The fact that you don't see the difference is illuminating.

[scawsby steve]

I'm pretty sure the greeks, romans and scandi's were thinking along those lines too for a while.

Good point, but that’s more the replacement of some religions with others due to the collapse of civilisations I think.

The African continent has 1.2 billion people and is growing. The vast majority of them are Christian or Muslim. So don’t assume that the decline of religion in the western world is indicative of a global pattern. You also shouldn’t assume that our civilised society isn’t in part as a result of the order that religion gives to chaos.

Until science objectively tells us the best rules for life or explains to us why there is a physical realm rather than nothing, humans will continue to elicit religious behaviour.

You could argue that rigid political ideology is a form of religious behaviour without the worship of a deity.

Good post, NC. Especially the 3rd paragraph which is in line with some of Einstein's thinking.

[Bentley Bullet]

What I think you're saying BB is that you knew Johnson was a pathological liar, the line of whom we've never seen in UK politics. And, rather than reflect on that and criticise his lying, because a few folk pointed out his lies, you took it on yourself to try to convince yourself that other politicians are at least as bad.

What you think I'm saying is incorrect, so there's no change there. I never denied Johnson told lies, unlike you who never admitted Starmer did. In your bent and biased world, only Johnson told lies, whereas Starmer only made untruthful mistakes!

Social media nowadays means politicians are under the spotlight 24/7, meaning anything and everything they say, either on or off the record is brought out in public, enabling people, like you, to select and share those that suit your agenda. That has left us with a country full of hate and bad losers who will no longer accept a vote that goes against them.

With the amount of time spent with cameras pushed in their faces these days, there is little wonder why the leading one and most detested by the bad losers, Boris Johnson, was the one accused of being the biggest liar seen in UK politics. What encourages this is Johnsons off the cuff remarks which are all far too often taken far too seriously by those, like you, with an agenda.

I honestly think if Brian Clough was a Tory MP he'd be called a liar because he said he'd often take a walk across the River Trent.

Starmer will be just as bad when he has the pressure of being in power, and those who will be on the losing side of the vote this time will get their revenge and rip Starmer a new arsehole.

I will be one of them.

Do you want me to go back and dig out you denying that Johnson deliberately lied over the £350m on the bus?

And it's nothing to do with off the cuff remarks (Although he does regularly lie on those too - every politician stumbles at some point off the cuff: the point is whether you correct the record when a factually incorrect comment is made in the heat of the moment).

The point is that Johnson, unlike any previous politician, has a career-long record of lying when he takes his time to make considered statements, or write articles.-Show me any other PM whose career started with him working as a journalist and deliberately lying about EU regulations or simply inventing stories. That's deliberate lying in slow time, not slipping up in an off the cuff quote.

I accept that all politicians spin and dissemble and put the best gloss on everything they say. What I don't accept is that any major politician until Johnson, made a career out of blatantly lying about matters of objective truth. The fact that you don't see the difference is illuminating.

Yes, by all means, go back and dig out my denying that Johnson deliberately lied over the £350m bus slogan.

I've already said that Johnson has a career-long record of lying and people who voted for him as leader knew that, just as the public who voted for him knew it.

What is illuminating is it is only lies of Tories that you fetch up on this site, whilst defending Labour lies.

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tell me which Labour lies I've defended.

[Bentley Bullet]

Starmers lies over the EU vaccine, for one.

[ncRover]

I'm pretty sure the greeks, romans and scandi's were thinking along those lines too for a while.

Good point, but that’s more the replacement of some religions with others due to the collapse of civilisations I think.

The African continent has 1.2 billion people and is growing. The vast majority of them are Christian or Muslim. So don’t assume that the decline of religion in the western world is indicative of a global pattern. You also shouldn’t assume that our civilised society isn’t in part as a result of the order that religion gives to chaos.

Until science objectively tells us the best rules for life or explains to us why there is a physical realm rather than nothing, humans will continue to elicit religious behaviour.

You could argue that rigid political ideology is a form of religious behaviour without the worship of a deity.

Good post, NC. Especially the 3rd paragraph which is in line with some of Einstein's thinking.

Thank you.

[ncRover]

I'm pretty sure the greeks, romans and scandi's were thinking along those lines too for a while.

Good point, but that’s more the replacement of some religions with others due to the collapse of civilisations I think.

The African continent has 1.2 billion people and is growing. The vast majority of them are Christian or Muslim. So don’t assume that the decline of religion in the western world is indicative of a global pattern. You also shouldn’t assume that our civilised society isn’t in part as a result of the order that religion gives to chaos.

Until science objectively tells us the best rules for life or explains to us why there is a physical realm rather than nothing, humans will continue to elicit religious behaviour.

You could argue that rigid political ideology is a form of religious behaviour without the worship of a deity.

Your right about the spread and continual draw of religion especially in the developing world.

What you have to ask yourself is why is religion and openly religious people in the west a declining situation.

Is it because these people consider themselves to have a superior intellect and don't need all this mumbo jumbo? or could it be that some of this disposition have an unconscious  bias towards developing regions and their populations, customs and creeds.

I would imagine most are not even aware of this fact but some will be and they will be telling you why that's not the case anytime soon.

Yes dd I think it is the feeling of superior intellect. I don’t follow a religion per se but I’m critiquing those who would call any religion “made up nonsense”. It’s very close-minded and dismissive. Especially when these know-it-all liberal types have only selectively followed science in the last few years.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Starmers lies over the EU vaccine, for one.

Jesus wept. It never ends.

[Bentley Bullet]

Labour deputy Angela Rayner being at the Beergate event after a series of denials.

[BillyStubbsTears]

A series of denials by whom?

[Bentley Bullet]

The Labour party? You?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Who made the denials? Last time I checked "The Labour party" wasn't able to speak.

YOU are raising this b*llocks again so I assume you know what you are talking abo...

D'oh! I've done it again haven't I?

[Bentley Bullet]

https://youtu.be/TBjXfQjBuhE

[BillyStubbsTears]

Really simple question BB. Even for you.

Who denied it? Which person denied Raynor was at the work event?

[Bentley Bullet]

Watch the video, daft lad.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I want YOU to explain it. Along with your explanation about this being "a series of denials".

[Bentley Bullet]

Lost again haven't you billy lad!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You're a fake.

[SydneyRover]

I'm pretty sure the greeks, romans and scandi's were thinking along those lines too for a while.

Good point, but that’s more the replacement of some religions with others due to the collapse of civilisations I think.

The African continent has 1.2 billion people and is growing. The vast majority of them are Christian or Muslim. So don’t assume that the decline of religion in the western world is indicative of a global pattern. You also shouldn’t assume that our civilised society isn’t in part as a result of the order that religion gives to chaos.

Until science objectively tells us the best rules for life or explains to us why there is a physical realm rather than nothing, humans will continue to elicit religious behaviour.

You could argue that rigid political ideology is a form of religious behaviour without the worship of a deity.

Good post, NC. Especially the 3rd paragraph which is in line with some of Einstein's thinking.

Thank you.

The thing about science is that it's progressive and improves upon itself, math is the only thing that doesn't change.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

You're the worst kind of fool. A fool who knows exactly how wrong he is, and still insists on being wrong.

There wasn't "a series" of denials.

A journalist from The Mail phoned up the Labour press office ONCE, months before this was in the news, and spoke to a junior staffer who got it wrong.

There was, to the best of my knowledge, no "series" of denials. When the story became such a massive thing months later (as twisted, bitter individuals like you sought to convince themselves that they didn't have to criticise Johnson because Starmer was as bad) the previous wrong statement was corrected.

Meanwhile, the Labour party was involved in such a Grassy Knoll style conspiracy about Rayner, that she'd put photos on her social media accounts at the time of the Durham meeting, showing her there with Starmer.

You're a fool. You'll always be a fool. Because in your heart, you'd rather be a wrong fool than admit other people are right.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST
I see you're doing the usual, applying a last-ditch attempt at saving your arse by questioning ONE word in my summary of events. No attempt whatsoever in understanding the reason why I used the term 'series', which was because it took Labour so long to rectify the mistake (lie if it was a Tory story). Maybe it was wrong of me to assume the question would have been asked more than once during that time of hiding the truth.

I also see you're doing the usual in blindly defending your beloved Labour Party, only this time you're denying what the Labour party itself has already admitted to!

....Unless you're telling the truth and the Labour party is lying again?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It took Labour so long to rectify the mistake you fool, because no-one even queried it for nearly 5 months.

Someone in the office made a mistake. The office has junior staff handling routine enquiries dozens of times a day. Sometimes they will get things wrong. Do you expect them to forensically check every item of routine communication to make sure nothing that passes your lie test has slipped out?

And if they were deliberately trying to deceive by knowingly telling an untruth (the dictionary definition of a lie) don't you think they'd have got Rayner to take down the photos of her at Durham?

Hey, here's a thought! Maybe there was no lie, because there was nothing to lie about, because no offence had been committed. Which is what the police concluded, and you, twisted, bitter person that you are, refused to accept.

You're beyond embarrassing.

[Bentley Bullet]

You're so out of touch, owd lad, I genuinely think you actually believe that. Maybe that's why you spend so much time on this forum, because, unlike the real world, you have a handful of people who'll agree with you on here.

[ravenrover]

Don't forget the handful who won't

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't forget the handful who won't

Absolutely. There is only a handful of those now. Most of the level-headed posters have stopped participating.

[tommy toes]

Yeah. I've stopped posting on these threads due to the complete b*llocks you continue to contribute BB.
Why BST carries on engaging with you is beyond me.
At least that other WUM from Belton seems to have given up.

[Bentley Bullet]

TT, explain what is b*llocks about my point.

[tommy toes]

No.

[Bentley Bullet]

No.

I'll give you full marks for predictability!