My View

[watto-drfc]

My last game was Wimbledon at home 1st game last season. I was bored and the entertainment value was nil. Since that day nothing has changed to make me want to go again. I chat to fans that go and read the forum,  when SOD came the football was boring but you could see what he was trying to do and the effort the playrs put in to deliver. But the football at the moment is very poor and there seems no method no passion. Hopefully things change in the future and I will return, but till then I remain an armchair fan. 

[edlored]

Unfortunately they'll be a lot lot more who feel the same the ground could be a a desalate place next season if nothing ignites the supporters will to go

[since-1969]

My last game was Wimbledon at home 1st game last season. I was bored and the entertainment value was nil. Since that day nothing has changed to make me want to go again. I chat to fans that go and read the forum,  when SOD came the football was boring but you could see what he was trying to do and the effort the playrs put in to deliver. But the football at the moment is very poor and there seems no method no passion. Hopefully things change in the future and I will return, but till then I remain an armchair fan.

SOD brought into the club by a man John Ryan who cared about the club and had a vision of its future , Sean O’Driscoll was brought in as a teacher in the art of how football should be played and gathered together a team of players who would lift the club to the Championship! We are NOW ran by novices and footballing amateurs .

[silent majority]

My last game was Wimbledon at home 1st game last season. I was bored and the entertainment value was nil. Since that day nothing has changed to make me want to go again. I chat to fans that go and read the forum,  when SOD came the football was boring but you could see what he was trying to do and the effort the playrs put in to deliver. But the football at the moment is very poor and there seems no method no passion. Hopefully things change in the future and I will return, but till then I remain an armchair fan.

SOD brought into the club by a man John Ryan who cared about the club and had a vision of its future , Sean O’Driscoll was brought in as a teacher in the art of how football should be played and gathered together a team of players who would lift the club to the Championship! We are NOW ran by novices and footballing amateurs .

He also brought in Dean Saunders and a bloke called Willy McKay.

[oggycompton]

Same Dean Saunders who left us top of the league. League 1 by the way....an absolute country mile away from where we are now undoing years of work.

[bpoolrover]

McKay was a mistake for sure, but surely you can't be happy with the way things are going ow sm?

[silent majority]

McKay was a mistake for sure, but surely you can't be happy with the way things are going ow sm?

I've never said I'm happy with the current situation, and every time I've been asked that question, which has been quite often just lately, I've always answered by saying I'm as disappointed and worried just like any other DRFC supporter. Why should |I be any different?

However, if you want to talk about ownership and club governance then I would have a lot to say, and with a more informed opinion than most.

[ravenrover]

And not forgetting a certain Mr Dickov

[Prez]

Well I’ve slept on it and unfortunately I stand by my comments I put on here last night. I’m a season ticket holder but I won’t be attending anymore whilst DS is in charge.

I didn’t want him in the first place, but more importantly he will not change his philosophy. The man is incredibly stubborn.

Last night was the final straw, and with my now working nights, family time is even more important. My missus has been having severe abdominal pains ( an endoscopy has been arranged) and I left her in pain last night to watch that horror show.

Sadly until someone from the club gets a grip whoever it may be and sort this absolute sh!t show out, then make absolutely no mistake the decline  WILL continue. The budget will be cut even more next season due to lack of revenue from ticket sales, and the appalling recruitment process will suffer even more.

A relegation battle is a real possibility next season.

Finally I really hope we win on Saturday. Of course still want the team to do well. I just can’t watch that bilge though anymore 

[Drover]

McKay was a mistake for sure, but surely you can't be happy with the way things are going ow sm?

I've never said I'm happy with the current situation, and every time I've been asked that question, which has been quite often just lately, I've always answered by saying I'm as disappointed and worried just like any other DRFC supporter. Why should |I be any different?

However, if you want to talk about ownership and club governance then I would have a lot to say, and with a more informed opinion than most.

You can be the most informed person in the world,that is not goner turnaround our performances,and disregarding any personal reasons,agendas,but regards results,performances or state of the club,what was wrong with Saunders?

[roversdude]

My last game was Wimbledon at home 1st game last season. I was bored and the entertainment value was nil. Since that day nothing has changed to make me want to go again. I chat to fans that go and read the forum,  when SOD came the football was boring but you could see what he was trying to do and the effort the playrs put in to deliver. But the football at the moment is very poor and there seems no method no passion. Hopefully things change in the future and I will return, but till then I remain an armchair fan.

SOD brought into the club by a man John Ryan who cared about the club and had a vision of its future , Sean O’Driscoll was brought in as a teacher in the art of how football should be played and gathered together a team of players who would lift the club to the Championship! We are NOW ran by novices and footballing amateurs .

He also brought in Dean Saunders and a bloke called Willy McKay.

And DW/TB

[Padge_DRFC]

And not forgetting a certain Mr Dickov

Good appointment until after the Leeds away win with 6 games to go.

[Bentley Bullet]

Dickov was desperately unlucky in that Championship season. We should have stayed up at a canter, but a mixture of diabolical luck and bent officials sent us down to "where we belonged."

[normal rules]

McKay was a mistake for sure, but surely you can't be happy with the way things are going ow sm?

I've never said I'm happy with the current situation, and every time I've been asked that question, which has been quite often just lately, I've always answered by saying I'm as disappointed and worried just like any other DRFC supporter. Why should |I be any different?

However, if you want to talk about ownership and club governance then I would have a lot to say, and with a more informed opinion than most.

A penny for your thoughts SM on the appointment of a HOF?
As of Feb last year, only half of championship clubs had one.
Why do DRFC think its needed and/or appropriate.
Im just not seeing it. Waste of money IMO.

[aidanstu]

My last game was Wimbledon at home 1st game last season. I was bored and the entertainment value was nil. Since that day nothing has changed to make me want to go again. I chat to fans that go and read the forum,  when SOD came the football was boring but you could see what he was trying to do and the effort the playrs put in to deliver. But the football at the moment is very poor and there seems no method no passion. Hopefully things change in the future and I will return, but till then I remain an armchair fan.

SOD brought into the club by a man John Ryan who cared about the club and had a vision of its future , Sean O’Driscoll was brought in as a teacher in the art of how football should be played and gathered together a team of players who would lift the club to the Championship! We are NOW ran by novices and footballing amateurs .

He also brought in Dean Saunders and a bloke called Willy McKay.

I take it the other board members had nothing to do with that decision?

[ravenrover]

And not forgetting a certain Mr Dickov

Good appointment until after the Leeds away win with 6 games to go.

And he has gone on to a stellar mangerial career since, think that says a lot really

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder if he'd moved on to a club and topped the table by 11 points you'd have thought it said a lot really?

[BradwellRover]

Interesting to contrast the two managers, with both being Donny lads. One has worked his way up the leagues (admittedly at a club his Dad owns) and has built experience over time. The other came to us having managed less than 10 games. One had a plan, the other…well, let’s just say I was surprised not to hear a chant of ‘you don’t know what you’re doing’…

Perhaps we chose the wrong Donny lad to recruit?

[danumdon]

Ive had nothing to say on this debacle since the half time break, after that i stood and watched what we served up as a game of football!, right till the very end, it started to feel like i was purposely punishing myself for us being so abjectly poor.

Thinking about this since and reading what's been posted here on countless threads its obvious that none of our fans are demanding that we need to be better, higher in the league, bigger than most in this league, Its the EXPECTATION that's permeated into the supporters.

The expectation started from the top of the club, "destination championship" on more than one occasion, a good and decent budget for our level in this league and above, having a stadium built for 15K instead of the standard 10k lower league team. The talk of progressing and developing into a regular championship club from many around the team. Having a true fan like JR at the helm driving the club on, trying to build the fan base

All the above led to raised expectations from the fans, we have a large tranche of support who up until a couple of years ago had only really ever witnessed an upward progress going back from our emergence from the none league.

This all helped to raise expectation around the club and a great many of fans have brought into this and are now left perplexed and disappointed that with the demise of JR and the reign of TB we have taken a backward step into becoming  a self sustaining club, this in itself is a laudable expectation but the fan base is now seeing what the real implications of what this really means. You don't need me to spell it out to anyone what it really means but its here, its active and its eating the club away from the inside out.

I get the impression now that a great many fans are actively looking for a reason as to why the continue to pursue what has now become a real hard grind, on a par with getting teeth pulled, its just not enjoyable to come to the footy anymore. The Ground looks like it needs afresh maintenance regime, the food and drink has been done to death but we all know where that stands, the spectacle is just rank poor, from the  scoreboard that has died, the dwindling floodlights in the gantry each game, the general lack and apathy around the place, the piss poor PA system and the awful announcer who really gets on my tits, the poor i follow product that always seems to be many magnitudes lower in standard than every other clubs, our general  overall package seems very poor now, not comparable to previously, is this a cost cutting thing?

What im basically saying is after our arrival back in the pro league we started out with aspirations of grandeur, aiming for the championship and beyond? but when we got their we realised that the level of finance was a bridge to far for our chiefs, and we rowed back into the Club Doncaster plan which most of the fans hate because they know it means we re now being rebranded as a typical bottom tier club, nothing more nothing less.

Expectations, look where its left us. I'm doggedly going to stick it out to the end of the season, (i've paid for the season ticket so im going to bloody use it) I've already brought next seasons, but a continuation of this regurgitated slop might beat even me.

At the final whistle on Tues night my thoughts went back a few years to the fella who ran to the from of the players dugouts and tore up his season ticket in front of the then manager, we can't even do that now with the credit card format and if you throw it you might take someone's eye out, but it was a thought that i actively had, i wonder how many others felt so deflated with it all like this ?

The perils of supporting Rover til you die eh!!

[Move DRFC]

My last game was Wimbledon at home 1st game last season. I was bored and the entertainment value was nil. Since that day nothing has changed to make me want to go again. I chat to fans that go and read the forum,  when SOD came the football was boring but you could see what he was trying to do and the effort the playrs put in to deliver. But the football at the moment is very poor and there seems no method no passion. Hopefully things change in the future and I will return, but till then I remain an armchair fan.

SOD brought into the club by a man John Ryan who cared about the club and had a vision of its future , Sean O’Driscoll was brought in as a teacher in the art of how football should be played and gathered together a team of players who would lift the club to the Championship! We are NOW ran by novices and footballing amateurs .

He also brought in Dean Saunders and a bloke called Willy McKay.

Saunders left us top of the league. He replaced him with Flynn who won us the league. JR also oversaw the greatest period in the clubs history.

So if you have issue with him for the above 2 appointments, you must be absolutely seething with the current board for appointing shambles after shambles with Butler, McSheff, Wellens (good manager but didn’t back him) and Schofield?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Don’t think we can compare manager appointments between Ryan and current owners. It’s no contest. Even if Ryan’s appointments had a big whiff of been golf mates (other than SOD).

Dickov was or had recently been in a job doing well with Oldham in difficult circumstances and got good exposure from FA cup runs. Saunders was doing well at Wrexham wasn’t he?

Most of all he backed them (not all his money or sustainable I know) but that allows a manager to show something.

Compare those appointments with McSheffery and DS and it’s embarrassing. Neither have ever had a modicum of success in the pro game.

I get it we’ve cut back the players aren’t as good but if that’s the case the one area you don’t scrimp on is the manager. More than ever we need one who can make a team more than the sum if it’s parts.

[wilts rover]

The more time passes the more I think that John Ryan's most long lasting legacy will be to have left a divided fan base behind when he left.

[drfchound]

My guess is that considerably more fans will have happy and fond memories of JR than fans who don’t.

[Bentley Bullet]

The more time passes the more I think that John Ryan's most long lasting legacy will be to have left a divided fan base behind when he left.

I wonder if Forest fans are divided in their views on Brian Clough's legacy?

[ravenrover]

I wonder if he'd moved on to a club and topped the table by 11 points you'd have thought it said a lot really?

A nice bit of whatiffery there BB, the answer is obviously "but he didn't"

[Bentley Bullet]

Well, he hasn't done too badly, he's at Man City now!

[ravenrover]

Is he Pep in disguise? Who'd have thought it
Mmmm looks to me like he is a meeter and greeter at Citeh, Club Ambassador, you've excelled yourself this time BB

[Bentley Bullet]

Cheers RR. Just for the record, he has also been working for a multi-academy education trust in the North-West as their Head of Sporting Excellence.

As a matter of interest, would Dickov have gone up in your estimation if he'd gone on to manage a club and taken them 11 points clear at the top of the table?

[ForsolongaRover]

To quote part of danumdon’s excellent piece:
“I get the impression now that a great many fans are actively looking for a reason as to why the continue to pursue what has now become a real hard grind, on a par with getting teeth pulled, its just not enjoyable to come to the footy anymore. The Ground looks like it needs afresh maintenance regime, the food and drink has been done to death but we all know where that stands, the spectacle is just rank poor, from the  scoreboard that has died, the dwindling floodlights in the gantry each game, the general lack and apathy around the place, the piss poor PA system and the awful announcer who really gets on my tits, the poor i follow product that always seems to be many magnitudes lower in standard than every other clubs, our general  overall package seems very poor now, not comparable to previously, is this a cost cutting thing?”

Unfortunately I have not been to the stadium for quite a while and until recently I had assumed that it was quite impressive compared with the various Away venues which I have visited to see Rovers. And most of those recently were when we were in League 1.

A great deal has been said about Club Doncaster being a drag on the football club and there is a notable absence of argument to support that contention. It may not quite be a “Gift Horse”, but does anyone of sound mind cut off a subsidy?

However, everybody’s expectations of any kind of modern entertainment have risen considerably since the dark days of uncovered asphalt terraces looking out over mud-bath pitches. (Not that the Belle Vue of most of the last half of the 20th century was ever entirely typical.) But it is surely to Club Doncaster that I would be looking for the attention and funds obviously needed to restore the facilities at the ground. And this brings me to another point in the shape of the CEO. He runs Club Doncaster and with the football in crisis surely he should have 2 urgent priorities. One would be to smarten up the stadium which is the centrepiece of all the business activities and the other is DRFC. With Copps seemingly compromised, he really needs to get his hands dirty and tackle the shambles that it has all become.

[i_ateallthepies]

"and the awful announcer who really gets on my tits"  He may get on your tits DD but to say he's awful is grossly unfair.  For me he does the job very well.