Nelson & Faulkner - same difference

[Canadian Rover]

The treatment from the manager of the two players seems from the outside at least to be astonishing.

Nelson had a bad game. That's fine and acceptable for a younger player. He's developing and learning as he progresses. Was pretty much the point Danny made.

Bobby had a bad game and was dropped and exiled.

This summarizes everything that is wrong with our youth development system.

Miller the lad from Brighton. What has he done to deserve a place in the first team squad vs Kuleya?

No wonder we are where we are.

[drfchound]

Good post.
The other thing I have noticed is that had RSW played last night and given the ball away as much as Nelson did then there would have been much more posted on here about a bad performance.

[Cramby10]

But RSW has done it consistently over a season and a half. Slight difference.

[GazLaz]

I don’t think Bobby has been excited. We are handling his development well.

[drfchound]

But RSW has done it consistently over a season and a half. Slight difference.

But that doesn’t change what I said.

[Cramby10]

But RSW has done it consistently over a season and a half. Slight difference.

But that doesn’t change what I said.

well it does. If Nelson does the same then eventually he will get pelters. He’s only been here a month or so. RSW didn’t get stick from the off. It’s cos after a period of time that he’s been so consistently shite that he gets grief.

[bpoolrover]

Bobby f has has his loan extended till end of season

[Canadian Rover]

Bobby f has has his loan extended till end of season

This exemplifies my original post.

[Ronnie Dovers]

He's out on loan playing regular 90 minutes at a good level for the rest of the season. Presumably, he'll come back and slot into the gap left by Nelson for next season, as a better and more experienced player.

[Bailey Vickerage]

Nelson had a bad game last night (so did everyone else) but before that he’s been excellent for us, hence why he’s not being getting slagged off much. 

On Todd Miller, what good would it do Kuleya sitting on our bench every week like TM is doing atm? Let him stay out on loan and develop.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Kind of think he’s better playing away from us at the moment. We’ve consistently destroyed player’s confidence over the last few seasons. Would hate to see us ruin a great prospect.

Expect him to get a proper go at the starting line up in preseason

[Canadian Rover]

Kuleya and Faulkner should be developing in OUR team and squad. They are certainly good enough to be options for the first team and will learn and develop way more in League 2 than their current loan clubs. Especially in our current circumstances. Name ONE player in recent years from our youth set up that we have given consistent chances to (we do for the loan players that are developing).

[normal rules]

He's out on loan playing regular 90 minutes at a good level for the rest of the season. Presumably, he'll come back and slot into the gap left by Nelson for next season, as a better and more experienced player.

playing with others who are relative strangers, footballing wise.

[DonnyOsmond]

Nelson had a bad game last night (so did everyone else) but before that he’s been excellent for us, hence why he’s not being getting slagged off much. 

On Todd Miller, what good would it do Kuleya sitting on our bench every week like TM is doing atm? Let him stay out on loan and develop.

Kuleya hasn't really been playing either though.

[Bailey Vickerage]

Nelson had a bad game last night (so did everyone else) but before that he’s been excellent for us, hence why he’s not being getting slagged off much. 

On Todd Miller, what good would it do Kuleya sitting on our bench every week like TM is doing atm? Let him stay out on loan and develop.

Kuleya hasn't really been playing either though.

no he probs hasn’t played as much as we all expected for whatever reason but after scoring 2 a couple of weeks ago hopefully he gets a few more starts for them between now and the end of the season and comes back to us a better player.

[roversdude]

Kuleya and Faulkner should be developing in OUR team and squad. They are certainly good enough to be options for the first team and will learn and develop way more in League 2 than their current loan clubs. Especially in our current circumstances. Name ONE player in recent years from our youth set up that we have given consistent chances to (we do for the loan players that are developing).

Horton ??
I’m not defending our lack of progression for the youth by the way. Sometimes we just need to blood them.
Amazing to think that in the current climate that both Snodin’s would have been out on loan

[The Beast]

Not saying Faulkner won't become a top player but experience wise at the moment they're worlds apart.

[Bailey Vickerage]

Kuleya and Faulkner should be developing in OUR team and squad. They are certainly good enough to be options for the first team and will learn and develop way more in League 2 than their current loan clubs. Especially in our current circumstances. Name ONE player in recent years from our youth set up that we have given consistent chances to (we do for the loan players that are developing).

Horton ??
I’m not defending our lack of progression for the youth by the way. Sometimes we just need to blood them.
Amazing to think that in the current climate that both Snodin’s would have been out on loan

and Horton was deemed not good enough after 1 or 2 bad games with us, not just him either as Hasani and Jones have been slagged off for a couple of mistakes aswell. If Faulkner and Kuleya were to come back to us and have a couple of bad games, fans would get on their backs and it wouldn’t benefit anyone. Let them have the rest of the season out on loan and come back to us for pre season.

I still think Jones is a very good number 2 at this level and could be the number 1 at a few clubs in this league imo and I always thought we should’ve kept Horton, think he would be a good player in this system, scored a few goals and always looked a threat going forward and as a wing back he would have cover defensively, playing as a wing back now at chesterfield every week and doing well.

[ForsolongaRover]

What is lacking at the moment is exactly what Faulkner showed he could do, compete for the ball. This is what fans are crying out for. Why would they get on his back?

It is amazing that a competent coach, like Schofield is supposed to be, would not want to bring on a player like Faulkner himself. His dedication to processes surely dictates that he needs quality development like the Man U academy were anxious to provide. What he has done is entrust his technical development to whatever limited facilities a 6th tier club might offer. Spennymoor may well be a decent club, but seem unlikely to add sophistication to Faulkner’s game.

[bpoolrover]

I would understand it if we had a really good defence and nelson was far better than bf, nelson while has done ok just is not far better his passing at times is woeful, I'm sure in a few years he will be a decent player but that won't be with our club

[selby]

  When it comes to  playing u23s and representative football and playing 10 yard passes or back to the keeper they are miles apart beasty, Nelson wins hands down, even dangerous balls across his own penalty area.
  When it comes to making tackles, blocks, physical challenges especially crosses  and being used to playing against men Faulkner wins hands down mate, he was playing men's football at 15 years old and apart from junior football up to fifteen has only played u18s for six months  and his second game for them was against an u18s player at Peterborough who had played first team games and he dealt with him getting the MOM.
  All his other games have been for Rossington, Frickley, Worksop, and Spennymoor and Askern Welfare all where he has done well at, yes there are lots of things that Faulkner masters Nelson in, the most important is defending in men's football where if you add the games Nelson played for Rochdale he has in only very few games has he ended up on the winning side and has been a member of defences shipping  goals but is easy on the eye if you like that sort of thing.

[Alan Southstand]

It’s not what we like, Selby, it’s what the manager likes that’s the issue.

Clearly, Faulkner is going to be a good player and his experiences, to date, can only serve him well. What we needed in January wasn’t a ‘Nelson’, it was someone more experienced than either of the two. That, like a lot of what is blatantly obvious requirements to make the squad competitive, seems to be an ongoing problem for our purse strings!

[Bailey Vickerage]

What is lacking at the moment is exactly what Faulkner showed he could do, compete for the ball. This is what fans are crying out for. Why would they get on his back?

It is amazing that a competent coach, like Schofield is supposed to be, would not want to bring on a player like Faulkner himself. His dedication to processes surely dictates that he needs quality development like the Man U academy were anxious to provide. What he has done is entrust his technical development to whatever limited facilities a 6th tier club might offer. Spennymoor may well be a decent club, but seem unlikely to add sophistication to Faulkner’s game.

Faulkner is still training with us all week so he’s gonna be getting the coaching from us and he’s at spennymoor to play games every week and then he will come back to us in the summer with more experience and will have improved on the ball so by the time next season starts he will likely be ready to be playing for us.

Atm, although I’d love to see him playing for us I don’t think he’s quite ready, others will disagree but imo he’s better off playing every week in a league with less pressure. We seen in the last couple of games he played for us he wasn’t great, even against Hartlepool away he made a couple of errors but his pace and determination made up for them errors so he got away with them but against the better teams in this league I don’t think he’d be able to get away with them mistakes, another reason why imo he’d be better off on loan where he can iron out them mistakes, improve and if he does make them mistakes there’s not gonna be as much made of it because there’s less eyes and pressure on him.

[selby]

  Alan, what I like is winning football however it is achieved, at the moment I am unsure our head coach knows how to achieve it or what his best team and approach should be with the players at his disposal to get the results required.
  For someone who is supposed to be a top coach, I have seen very little or in fact any improvement of our players individually or as a cohesive unit over his tenure up to press since he took over

[Retdon1]

Kuleya and Faulkner should be developing in OUR team and squad. They are certainly good enough to be options for the first team and will learn and develop way more in League 2 than their current loan clubs. Especially in our current circumstances. Name ONE player in recent years from our youth set up that we have given consistent chances to (we do for the loan players that are developing).

Kuleya can’t even get a regular start at Worksop so is no where near L2 standard

[Canadian Rover]

He impressed when he played this season.