This Lineker thing

[scawsby steve]

''Andrew Garfield Slams Donald Trump: He's 'an Idiot Celebrity and We Enabled That'''

https://people.com/celebrity/andrew-garfield-donald-trump-idiot-celebrity-we-enabled-that/

Good old Syd, utterly missing the point yet again. Garfield's opinion of Trump is totally irrelevant to what I pointed out, which is that he refused to air those views to millions of people watching the Oscars.

[SydneyRover]

As long as you understand what you're doing it's fine steve

[BillyStubbsTears]

It’s not just Lineker who has likened our government is to Nazi Germany is it.
It has been suggested on this forum too.

There might be something in it?

Side note, Lineker compared them to 30s Germany, not WW2 Germany.

Side side note, he didn't even compare it to 1930s Germany, he compared the language used to the language used in the 1930s. Which is spot on.

Anyway with all the big names dropping out who's going to be the MOTD scab? Jenas is my bet.

Hold on MM. You're on dodgy ground there trying to get angry people to get the thing they are angry about right.

I reckon they'll draft in LeTissier and Ron Atkinson.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way, the way. This language.

An email was sent out from the Home Office twitter account saying that previous attempts to bar immigrants had been stopped by "an activist blob of leftie lawyers, civil servants and the Labour party."

Numerous Tory politicians have said that the new law is implementing the will of the people and opposing it would be a betrayal of Britain.

But if a BBC presenter points out that's the language that nationalist dictators use (it is) they get sacked.

You can just imagine the current BB reaction after Kristalnacht.

"On the one hand, hundreds of Jews have been killed or their businesses ransacked. On the other, there's a lot of new work for window fitters."

[arkseyrover]

As far as I'm concerned they can shut down MOTD and get rid of its band of mercenary self opinionated overpaid 'experts'. I do like Lineker who I think is a talented presenter and has a likeable personality but I don't agree with his interpretation of the Governments actions or his view that we should welcome to our country tens of thousands of law breaking asylum seekers when we can't even offer a proper standard of living to our own people - millions of who are living in poverty.

Most of all though I hate what he has done in turning MOTD into a joke football programme that shows very little football and prefers instead to give centre stage to airing the views of his elite cohort while inflicting on us their superior knowledge of all matters football. The whole programme needs a complete re-vamp to take it back to its traditional format of broadcasting real football instead of endless shots of managers expressions and reactions, celebrities sitting in the stands and countless action replays of the same thing.

Perhaps Lineker should consider a career in politics.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Arksey

Lineker doesn't believe we should let tens of thousands of illegal immigrants into the country.

That paragon of truth and honest Grant Shapps accused him of that this week. You're repeating the same rubbish.

[normal rules]

Gary Lineker Labour MP Leicester West.
Has a certain ring to it ?

[ravenrover]

My guess will be Chappers to present it.
I see Cruella has twisted it now saying in an interview he was likening it to The Holocaust, I hope he takes legal action

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I struggle to see how the tweets of a sports presenter have any bearing on the BBC at all, it makes no sense to silence those opinions.

[Donnywolf]

Arksey

Lineker doesn't believe we should let tens of thousands of illegal immigrants into the country.

That paragon of truth and honest Grant Shapps accused him of that this week. You're repeating the same rubbish.

Grant Shapps Michael Green Sebastian Fox.

I'd say he (they) is the most duplicitous t++t walking but he must surely be the most triplicitous t**t going

Unless you add Corinne Stockridge * who he pretended to be to review his Book on getting rich.

* I like to be accurate and with that name I'm close but will look it up. Edit I even spelt it right !

I'm dead right with the word t**t though

[drfchound]

It’s not just Lineker who has likened our government is to Nazi Germany is it.
It has been suggested on this forum too.

There might be something in it?

Side note, Lineker compared them to 30s Germany, not WW2 Germany.

Didn’t the Nazi Party rule from 1933 to 1945.

[normal rules]

The language in the Germany of the 30’s, specifically that of the Nationalist Socialist workers party was one of de-humanisation. I suspect this is what GL referred to.
And we know all what the dehumanisation led to.
And so, by inference, it’s pretty clear what he was alluding to.

[SydneyRover]

The people of Georgia stared down the government to protect the media and won.

[DonnyOsmond]

I wonder if a fascist regime would gag a well known figure from speak against them too.

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder if a fascist regime would gag a well known figure from speak against them too.

What, do you mean like the way Starmer has gagged Corbyn?

[DonnyOsmond]

I wonder if a fascist regime would gag a well known figure from speak against them too.

What, do you mean like the way Starmer has gagged Corbyn?

Sure, why not?

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1634261387386953730?s=20

Says Dorries, an MP presenting a TV programme.

She's truly to thick to even understand her own words.

[belton rover]

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1634261387386953730?s=20

Says Dorries, an MP presenting a TV programme.

She's truly to thick to even understand her own words.

Yeah, but it’s not Match of the Day she’s presenting, is it?
Though she could apply, I’ll give you that.

[ncRover]

The thing is with the BBC is that I’m sure I’ve seen on this forum and social media that it is both right and left wing biased depending on who they’ve pissed off at any given moment.

And that will be the case until the license fee is done with. Save everyone the hassle and money.

[Dutch Uncle]

I wonder if the reaction might have been more muted if Lineker had a caveat on his tweets along the lines of ‘this is a personal view and does not reflect any views of the BBC’

Probably no difference but might help in any legal cases. Would have the advantage of shortening his tweets.

Btw I see many people have similar disclaimers in their short bios as another option

[mugnapper]

If Lineker is hard up after his sacking, at least the DG of the BBC will be able to sort out a loan for him.

[ravenrover]

He'll be snapped up by Sky as a presenter

[belton rover]

I think we should all be taking a stand on this. Time for the board at DRFC to not allow our games to be shown on Match of the Day until Lineker is reinstated.

[Branton Red]

You can just imagine the current BBC reaction after Kristalnacht.

"On the one hand, hundreds of Jews have been killed or their businesses ransacked. On the other, there's a lot of new work for window fitters."

Can you just imagine the reaction, some point in the future, of Gary Lineker on Twitter after a genuine equivalent to Kristallnacht (or Guernica; or the annexation of the Sudetenland; or the invasion of Poland; or the internment of gypsies, homosexuals and political opponents in forced labour camps; or the ending of democratic elections; or the banning of other political parties)

"This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people and is not dissimilar to that used by the UK Conservative Government in 2023.”

Can you not see therefore why, regardless of your strength of feeling against the Tories or the Immigration Bill itself, that drawing equivalence between current day UK political parties or institutions and Nazi Germany is at best highly inappropriate and puerile, and at worst deeply toxic and insulting?

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1634284237191823360?s=20

Ok, so she's smarter than I gave her credit for.

This is the core of the Tories' approach to the BBC.

The "public facing" BBC isn't allowed a political opinion (although, Sugar, Neil, Clarkson were all fine...)

But note the subtext here. It's perfectly OK to pack the senior management with people from the very heart of the Tory party. The group who actually decide what BBC policy will be is perfectly fine to be totally politically unbalanced.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You can just imagine the current BBC reaction after Kristalnacht.

"On the one hand, hundreds of Jews have been killed or their businesses ransacked. On the other, there's a lot of new work for window fitters."

Can you just imagine the reaction, some point in the future, of Gary Lineker on Twitter after a genuine equivalent to Kristallnacht (or Guernica; or the annexation of the Sudetenland; or the invasion of Poland; or the internment of gypsies, homosexuals and political opponents in forced labour camps; or the ending of democratic elections; or the banning of other political parties)

"This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people and is not dissimilar to that used by the UK Conservative Government in 2023.”

Can you not see therefore why, regardless of your strength of feeling against the Tories or the Immigration Bill itself, that drawing equivalence between current day UK political parties or institutions and Nazi Germany is at best highly inappropriate and puerile, and at worst deeply toxic and insulting?

That is one of the stupidest arguments you could have possibly made on this topic.

For a start you don't seem to understand what Lineker actually tweeted.

This is how these discussions go wildly off the rails. 

[Branton Red]

That is one of the stupidest arguments you could have possibly made on this topic.

For a start you don't seem to understand what Lineker actually tweeted.

This is how these discussions go wildly off the rails.

Gary Lineker was drawing equivalence between the current Conservative Government and the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s. Such comparisons are never appropriate given the evil, despicable actions of Hitler and his cronies.

He is criticising specifically the language being used by the Tories to justify their Immigration policy and drawing equivalence to the language used by the Nazi's in Germany in the 1930s.

Perhaps you should research some history and discover what atrocities the Nazis carried out in the 30s and the language they used both as a prelude and in the aftermath to justify said actions.

Then have a think and come back to me with whether you still believe the comparison Lineker is drawing is at all appropriate.

[glosterred]

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1634284237191823360?s=20

Ok, so she's smarter than I gave her credit for.

This is the core of the Tories' approach to the BBC.

The "public facing" BBC isn't allowed a political opinion (although, Sugar, Neil, Clarkson were all fine...)

But note the subtext here. It's perfectly OK to pack the senior management with people from the very heart of the Tory party. The group who actually decide what BBC policy will be is perfectly fine to be totally politically unbalanced.

Do Clarkson and Neil still work for the BBC or have they been moved on?

[foxbat]

this puts it nicely in perspective:
First they came for the refugees, then they came for drag queens and trans men & women, next up was protesters, then they came for lawyers, next was the turn of climate presenters and national treasures, and now they’ve come for sports presenters.
You don’t have to agree with all of the above, but you do need to defend their rights, because if you don’t, then when they come for you too, who’ll still want to stand at your side.
Put aside your prejudices, hatred and fear is their weapon of choice, rise above it, you’re better that this, and them.
The Government are systematically targeting dissent and silencing criticism, they’re controlling our public broadcaster, and the narrative, because that’s all they have left.
This is a pivotal moment, a slice of history, you only need to decide if you want to be able to hold your head high and say that you stood against tyranny and creeping fascism, or forever regret enabling it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Clarkson was moved on for t**tting a member of staff who didn't get him a sandwich.

Neil chose to resign and move on to another gig.


Neithet of them, nor Alan Sugar have ever been disciplined, still less "moved on" by the BBC for their outside commentaries on controversial political issues, like Lineker has.