Great Yorkshire Post summary of our plight on and off the Pitch

[ncRover]

Not denying we need investment in the club as a whole, but Carlisle, Stevenage and Northampton also have average League 2 playing budgets. Spend smart and be accountable Copps.

[Cramby10]

Not denying we need investment in the club as a whole, but Carlisle, Stevenage and Northampton also have average League 2 playing budgets. Spend smart and be accountable Copps.

exactly. I honestly believe that if we had the top budget in League 2 that this joker wouldn’t get us promoted. I think he’s that bad. He’s no right being our manager. The football served up win lose or draw is disgustingly bad.
This is an entertainment business where the aim is to score goals!!!!

[Lazar]

The continuous misrepresentation of the playing budget really is draining. I’ve long ignored what comes out of the club and judged it on the calibre and quality of the signings.

I personally ignored the “budget to bounce back decisively” message, but for it now to become an average mid table budget is a little insulting to supporter’s intelligence.

[Campsall rover]

Not denying we need investment in the club as a whole, but Carlisle, Stevenage and Northampton also have average League 2 playing budgets. Spend smart and be accountable Copps.

exactly. I honestly believe that if we had the top budget in League 2 that this joker wouldn’t get us promoted. I think he’s that bad. He’s no right being our manager. The football served up win lose or draw is disgustingly bad.
This is an entertainment business where the aim is to score goals!!!!

Bang on
I wouldn’t trust DS with a 7 million playing budget in this league.

[drfchound]

The interview comes over as a typical one that Copps would do.
He always speaks well and with positivity.
I know him and like him but I feel that he will be frustrated when he doesn’t get sufficient backing to help him achieve what he wants.
Bounce back decisively on a mid table budget was unlikely to happen and further reinforces my thoughts that the supporter base being duped.

[i_ateallthepies]

“Success is having a clear plan and sticking to it”. Absolute b*llocks. That’s the quickest way to failure. Success is having a plan but also awareness and adaptability to get there in the long run. Sticking to it rigidly regardless is madness and the fastest way to a P45. As others have said, this process is like a cult that they’re trying to brainwash everyone with and it’s this hill they’re willing to die on. Crazy!!
It really is draining for all concerned now.

Agreed, Cramby10.  The only way that having a clear plan would be successful is if that plan is designed to address the problems that have put us where we are.  So, tell us more about the plan and see if that's what it does because if what we're seeing played out in game after game is 'the plan' then we're up the creek.

[Campsall rover]

Gillingham and Crawley, since their new owners arrived have invested heavily.
So that is 2 Clubs that have overtaken us on budget since the start of the season.

So about 10th to 12th now will have been higher in August.
Behind the top 6 budgets I would suggest that there will be very little difference in the next 6 clubs budgets.

In August, Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Swindon, Mansfield & Leyton Orient will be top 6 i suspect. 
Then there will be a group of clubs, Northampton, Wimbledon, Doncaster, Tranmere, Carlisle,Grimsby & Walsall where there was very little difference in budgets in August.

Gillingham definitely now be top 6 and possibly Crawley ( not too sure about how high Crawley would rank ) since their new owners have come in and invested large sums into the Club.

So I would suggest we were very near to a top 7 budget if not having one at the beginning of the season.

Whatever the budget 7th or 12th is no excuse for the drivel we have been served up this last 2 seasons and 2 months since Late January 2021.
Whatever budgets have been almost all of it was frittered away on dross by RW which led to a relegation that wasn’t expected in August 2021 at the start of that season.
We have since recruited better in 2022 but there are missing pieces of the jigsaw.
The major fault though lies in appointing 2 rookie managers in GmS & DS who do not have the experience and tactical acumen to set up a team in League 1 or league 2 to be successful.

Yes the budget may not be where we would like it to be or even expect it to be big any Manager & emphasis the title Manager not Coach worth his salt would have got this group of players performing very much better than what we have seen this season.
With the players we have we should be set up to attack.
We only really saw the capability of this team at Grimsby and at home to Carlisle. The ability is there but DS insistence on playing this formation and style has been sussed by every opposing team.
We are so predictable and easy to play against.

Copps needs to get a grip on this, don’t make excuses of budget and injuries. Most clubs have those same issues.
We need a Manager who is capable of achieving results and providing some modicum of entertainment for or beleaguered fans.

There is no way i see that person being DS.

[ncRover]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

[Alan Southstand]

The lack of budget is a major contributor to our demise, not an excuse. I agree with your thoughts about the manager, but you simply can’t divorce that topic without including the quality of our squad, which bears no relationship to the one that so nearly had us in the L1 play-off final a few seasons ago. It’s pitiful.

Copps has told us we havn’t even got 8 players that can see us through 40 odd games!

Unless and until we get the investment right, it won’t matter who the manager is, we’re only going one way.

[Mike_F]

Also I see how Copps has again mentioned the guy at the meet the owners who was honest enough to say it’s a challenge getting his young son to games …Copps again saying you should support your team win or lose.

That was me. I actually worry that taking kids to the Rovers at the moment could have a negative effect on their chances of becoming long-term supporters. My oldest lad is twelve and has had a season ticket since he was five so Rovers are very much his team but he has been apathetic at best this season.

He's absolutely football mad; on the occasion that I mentioned at the MTO event he'd had football training after school and said he'd rather have a soak in the bath than go to the Rovers!

[Campsall rover]

The lack of budget is a major contributor to our demise, not an excuse. I agree with your thoughts about the manager, but you simply can’t divorce that topic without including the quality of our squad, which bears no relationship to the one that so nearly had us in the L1 play-off’s a few seasons ago. It’s pitiful.

Copps has told us we havn’t even got 8 players that can see us through 40 odd games!

Unless and until we get the investment right, it won’t matter who the manager is, we’re only going one way.

That squad of DM was full of loan players though Alan.  So while I agree we are short on the quality needed for top 3 in this league even if we get that in the summer do you trust DS to be capable of achieving it?

[Alan Southstand]

It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.

[normal rules]

Rovers future success, as it stands is reliant on a huge dose of good luck and the process that DS subscribes to.
It’s not looking good .

[Campsall rover]

It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.

I thought you were referring to us being 2nd in the league at Christmas in 20/21 season under DM

Which ever Alan  we have nosedived alarmingly.  I have no faith this guy has the capability to turn it around.
Yes the budget is a major concern. But I stand by my comment that any Manager worth his salt would have turned this team into a top 7 one. The attacking threat DS’s style of play imposes on the opposition is nothing short of laughable. Well it would be if it was funny.

[Cramby10]

It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.

I thought you were referring to us being 2nd in the league at Christmas in 20/21 season under DM

Which ever Alan  we have nosedived alarmingly.  I have no faith this guy has the capability to turn it around.
Yes the budget is a major concern. But I stand by my comment that any Manager worth his salt would have turned this team into a top 7 one. The attacking threat DS’s style of play imposes on the opposition is nothing short of laughable. Well it would be if it was funny.

absolutely. 0.8 goals per game and 10 shots on target in 6 matches is not acceptable in any way shape or form.

[Cramby10]

Oh. And the 6th worst goal difference!!

[MrWoodySir]

Does he honestly believe that fans should have considered the play-offs an ‘unbelievable achievement’?

I thought the aim was always to bounce back convincingly.

[roversdude]

The problem is since MTO the football has, on a game by game basis deteriorated to the point where I really can’t see where we get a win.
Unless there are big plans for next season we are fckd.
I’ve backed the manager but I can’t see what he is hoping to achieve with his selection and formation. The only way of getting some interest for the last few weeks is blooding the kids and giving them freedom to play

[dickos1]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us

[ncRover]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us

I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.

[roversdude]

Gillingham and Crawley, since their new owners arrived have invested heavily.
So that is 2 Clubs that have overtaken us on budget since the start of the season.

So about 10th to 12th now will have been higher in August.
Behind the top 6 budgets I would suggest that there will be very little difference in the next 6 clubs budgets.

In August, Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Swindon, Mansfield & Leyton Orient will be top 6 i suspect. 
Then there will be a group of clubs, Northampton, Wimbledon, Doncaster, Tranmere, Carlisle,Grimsby & Walsall where there was very little difference in budgets in August.

Gillingham definitely now be top 6 and possibly Crawley ( not too sure about how high Crawley would rank ) since their new owners have come in and invested large sums into the Club.

So I would suggest we were very near to a top 7 budget if not having one at the beginning of the season.

Whatever the budget 7th or 12th is no excuse for the drivel we have been served up this last 2 seasons and 2 months since Late January 2021.
Whatever budgets have been almost all of it was frittered away on dross by RW which led to a relegation that wasn’t expected in August 2021 at the start of that season.
We have since recruited better in 2022 but there are missing pieces of the jigsaw.
The major fault though lies in appointing 2 rookie managers in GmS & DS who do not have the experience and tactical acumen to set up a team in League 1 or league 2 to be successful.

Yes the budget may not be where we would like it to be or even expect it to be big any Manager & emphasis the title Manager not Coach worth his salt would have got this group of players performing very much better than what we have seen this season.
With the players we have we should be set up to attack.
We only really saw the capability of this team at Grimsby and at home to Carlisle. The ability is there but DS insistence on playing this formation and style has been sussed by every opposing team.
We are so predictable and easy to play against.

Copps needs to get a grip on this, don’t make excuses of budget and injuries. Most clubs have those same issues.
We need a Manager who is capable of achieving results and providing some modicum of entertainment for or beleaguered fans.

There is no way i see that person being DS.

Camps when did Crawley get new owners from what I can see it’s still the crypto guys

[sedwardsdrfc]

If DS is still in post, and the jury is still out on Copps, I’m a little concerned that if there is more investment it’ll just be wasted.

No doubt it’s needed (I can’t believe we have the 12th highest budget it doesn’t make any sense). But I’d prefer we get the basics right before offering any extra limited investment up. For example get a competent manager and let Copps prove he can recruit well.

Then a extra boost will be money we’ll spent. If it means waiting a bit longer to spend it I’m fine with it. We should still have the funds to compete towards the top of L2.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Watching a rovers game under Schofield, has all the promise of a day hooked upto a drip in DRI.

[dickos1]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us

I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.

They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc

[Campsall rover]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us

I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.

They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc

You’re sure about that are you dickos?
I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if that’s what you think.
How much do you think our players are on then?  Genuine question.

[Lesonthewest]

It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.

I thought you were referring to us being 2nd in the league at Christmas in 20/21 season under DM

Which ever Alan  we have nosedived alarmingly.  I have no faith this guy has the capability to turn it around.
Yes the budget is a major concern. But I stand by my comment that any Manager worth his salt would have turned this team into a top 7 one. The attacking threat DS’s style of play imposes on the opposition is nothing short of laughable. Well it would be if it was funny.

absolutely. 0.8 goals per game and 10 shots on target in 6 matches is not acceptable in any way shape or form.

THIS!!!

[Bailey Vickerage]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us

I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.

They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc

Austin is on around 7k a week from what I’ve seen and heard and Telford will be on 5k minimum at Crawley.

Bet our highest paid is on 3k a week max

[Campsall rover]

Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.

That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.

And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.

League 2 would have:

Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.

That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.

Then you would pool us with another 6.

Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.

Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.

Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?

Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.

Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.

I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us

I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.

They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc

Austin is on around 7k a week from what I’ve seen and heard and Telford will be on 5k minimum at Crawley.

Bet our highest paid is on 3k a week max

Even less.

[dickos1]

Utter twoddle
You think close signed for us on a pittance? Molyneux, Anderson new contract, olowu new contract? Rowe? Miller?

Telford has had one good season and Crawley have some of the smallest gates in the league, no chance at all he’s on 5k a week,
Austin is shortly about to turn 34, no way at all Swindon are paying him 7k a week.
Miller will be on the same as both of them, players like close, molyneux will be on more than all 3 of them

[i_ateallthepies]

If you don't actually know and have the evidence to prove what you're saying what is the point of this to-ing and fro-ing?