Not my Labour party

[belton rover]

How do I know that my situation is different to yours?

You have made it clear that you live in Australia, and once lived in Britain. That may or may not be the case now.

Regardless, whatever bombshell you appear to waiting to drop, please stop playing games with racism.

[SydneyRover]

I don't know what your situation is and I wouldn't dream of questioning your right to speak, nor tykes or anyone else for that matter, the only time it comes up is when I hold up the mirror to someone or challenge their views.

To do so is abuse at the very least, and there we get back to the topic, why should I take lessons from anyone about standards that hands abuse out?

[belton rover]

That’s all very noble Sydney.
Now, if you could work on your trivialisation of racism…

[SydneyRover]

That’s all very noble Sydney.
Now, if you could work on your trivialisation of racism…

you explain why you treat people differently because where they may come from or live, I never treat racism trivially.

[belton rover]

To equate your situation as an expat (correct me if I’m wrong, rather than continuing this leading question game you like to play) to an oppressed people who truly suffer because of where they are from is disgraceful.

[SydneyRover]

Having slept on it yes I did push it too far and will just call it as it is 'personal abuse'

[danumdon]

There's now a new rule on this forum, for every post you make in here you have to make a corresponding one in the main forum(the one where you discuss all things about the football team, for the ones not in the know)

That will sort out your issue and stop you receiving "personal abuse/racist abuse"

And give us all a break.

Or is this personal abuse also?

[SydneyRover]

There's now a new rule on this forum, for every post you make in here you have to make a corresponding one in the main forum(the one where you discuss all things about the football team, for the ones not in the know)

That will sort out your issue and stop you receiving "personal abuse/racist abuse"

And give us all a break.

Or is this personal abuse also?

Maybe if you stopped the personal abuse you wouldn't have a lot to say at all, from your first post to explaining every everything you don't know about activists to what I know about business.

[SydneyRover]

And by the way the main board takes most of the enjoyment out of following the Rovers with the mob attacking some of our best players, they shouldn't be going at any of the players, maybe you could put your own football brain to the conundrum of how they could possibly play at their best with the shit that gets posted about them.

[danumdon]

So that must be exactly why you flood this board.

If you can't take it sunshine then don't hand it out.

[SydneyRover]

So that must be exactly why you flood this board.

If you can't take it sunshine then don't hand it out.

And I was thinking the same about yourself

[danumdon]

And by the way the main board takes most of the enjoyment out of following the Rovers with the mob attacking some of our best players, they shouldn't be going at any of the players, maybe you could put your own football brain to the conundrum of how they could possibly play at their best with the shit that gets posted about them.

IF you cared to peruse the main board you would find that its the coach that's getting all the abuse just now, but then i suppose you have to be a supporter to know that.

[SydneyRover]

As always you are incorrect, I do follow the main board and most of the players including the youngster get it.

[danumdon]

As always you are incorrect, I do follow the main board and most of the players including the youngster get it.

Sounds to me like you ve been on the sauce again, what's the name of our club again?

[SydneyRover]

As always you are incorrect, I do follow the main board and most of the players including the youngster get it.

Sounds to me like you ve been on the sauce again, what's the name of our club again?

There you go, get it wrong, no answer, true to form abuse.

[Ldr]

Will you both stop been so racist

[SydneyRover]

Will you both stop been so racist

At least I own my mistakes and don't apologise by pm aye Ldr?

[danumdon]

Will you both stop been so racist

If you could point out who's being racist?

[Ldr]

Will you both stop been so racist

If you could point out who's being racist?

Think you’ve missed the joke dd, have a read back through the thread

[Sprotyrover]

Syd if you expended half the energy you have wasted annoying us on this forum, in championing thr Rights of the Indigenous people of your own country the world would be a better place…but don’t do it on here!

[drfchound]

And by the way the main board takes most of the enjoyment out of following the Rovers with the mob attacking some of our best players, they shouldn't be going at any of the players, maybe you could put your own football brain to the conundrum of how they could possibly play at their best with the shit that gets posted about them.

IF you cared to peruse the main board you would find that its the coach that's getting all the abuse just now, but then i suppose you have to be a supporter to know that.

Less than 1% of his posts are about the football.

[Sprotyrover]

He was the Black haired very Bobby Progamme seller who used to climb to the back of the South Stand and shout out rumours he had heard, the day he announced he was forsaking Gods country for OZ was a relief to my ears!

[SydneyRover]

When I read some posts I think 'why would they write that' now unfortunately I see 'that' in my own posts, I'll take a break.

[belton rover]

When I read some posts I think 'why would they write that' now unfortunately I see 'that' in my own posts, I'll take a break.

Sometimes you need a break, Sydney.
Credit to you for acknowledging it.
It did me the world of good.

[wilts rover]

It's telling that this topic is now on four pages.

When Braverman made a far more disgusting and factually wrong statement last week (that paedophile gangs are "almost all British-Pakistani", and that they weren't prosecuted because Labour councils are too woke) it didn't cause an eyelid to flutter.

I'm very, very unhappy about Labour going down this road and I hope the robust discussion going on in the party will mean we don't do this in future. But the Tories have been burning rubber on this road for years, to the point that it is normalised and not even commented on by their supporters.

It's also telling on how many of those posts have moved on from serious discussion as to what is/should be acceptable politically, to deflecton and trivilisaton of racisim.

It was also telling that I noticed yesterday that Tory peer & former chair of the party, Sayeeda Warsi, went on national media to say that Braverman was racist and using racist language to stir up hated in the country, and it is has been totally ignored.

It's as though people were not really that interested in the issue but just looking at it to score cheap point's and 'own' other posters here:

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1645821750666559488

[belton rover]

Longer posts often meander on to other topics, Wilts. What makes this one so telling?
And don’t you think trivialising racism is serious?

[danumdon]

It's telling that this topic is now on four pages.

When Braverman made a far more disgusting and factually wrong statement last week (that paedophile gangs are "almost all British-Pakistani", and that they weren't prosecuted because Labour councils are too woke) it didn't cause an eyelid to flutter.

I'm very, very unhappy about Labour going down this road and I hope the robust discussion going on in the party will mean we don't do this in future. But the Tories have been burning rubber on this road for years, to the point that it is normalised and not even commented on by their supporters.

It's also telling on how many of those posts have moved on from serious discussion as to what is/should be acceptable politically, to deflecton and trivilisaton of racisim.

It was also telling that I noticed yesterday that Tory peer & former chair of the party, Sayeeda Warsi, went on national media to say that Braverman was racist and using racist language to stir up hated in the country, and it is has been totally ignored.

It's as though people were not really that interested in the issue but just looking at it to score cheap point's and 'own' other posters here:

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1645821750666559488

So what do we know now about this issue.

We know Labour have descended into the gutter and have doubled down on it to boot.

We already knew that the Tory party would take this as a reason to continue their own campaigns as they have always done.

We know that Starmer has had an injection of boll**K growth hormone but it has gone wrong and he is firing in all directions but unfortunately shooting his own side down, this will come back to haunt him at the GE because for all the different traits that voters in this country portray what we all have in common is being decent and wanting to see fair play upheld in life in general. What Starmer has done is in effect sold his soul to the devil to ensure victory at the next election, whatever he and the party big wigs think your typical Labour voter will mark this and remember.

In effect its the same for the Tories, all the lies, deceit and plain corruption that has been demonstrated these last 13 years will not stand them in good stead come election time, people will remember and act accordingly.

When you have the two main parties fighting to see who can sink deeper in the gutter then you really do have a broken society with all the negative spin offs that will ensure.

Said it before and i will continue to say it, politics has always been a very dirty and grubby business with proper animals at both ends of the political spectrum, and the parties are really "all the same"

The electors will not countenance this type of scum bag behaviour.

What's the betting the next election will be much closer than most think, it would not surprise me if NOC ruled the day from an extremely peed off electorate not prepared to give any of these wastrels unfettered power.

[albie]

I think turnout will be lower in the next GE, and that will play a part in some seats.

If you disapprove of both main parties, then it is vote for a smaller party with principles like the Greens, or sit at home and withdraw support.
Long way to go still though, remember the mid term standing of Ed Miliband, then the GE result.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Point of fact.

Labour were never more that 10% ahead of the Tories on average under Milliband. 18 months out from the Election in 2015 (which is about where we are now) the lead was about 5%.

By contrast, Labour is currently about 18% ahead and has been as much as 30% ahead.

Very different times to ten years ago. Not to say it can't change, but it'll require a shift that has rarely been seen before.

[danumdon]

Still a long way to go and a lot of water to pass under the bridge before we know but if Starmer is starting now this early retreat into the sewer then i think its a very wrong move for Labour and him personally for two reasons.

1, Up to know Starmer has been the sober and sane face of politics for many people, safe with a message that you know what you get from me, i'm Mr Uncontroversial, steady and reliable. This was his message for all his leadership tenure and its now been blown open to be this street fighting, i'll take you on at your own game and show you what gutter politics is really about i want to win that much.

This will confuse many people, they will look at him now, compare him to what they have had for a couple of years and wonder, if this is the direction of travel what can i expect next?, is he going to come up with some really radical policies, am i going to be taxed to the hilt, is he going to expand the state beyond French proportions with all the tax implications. He has now  made himself be and look like a loose cannon, people will be comparing him with the worst excess of the Tories, he will be seen to be as roguish as the worst of Johnson, and any other extremist. Many people had him  down as above this crap and someone who could be looked on as safe, this is not safe.

2, The voting public will be rightly confused by all this, by the time the start of the GE run in starts we could be even further down the road with tit for tat responses to even more extreme media. there will be the very real possibility of a great many voters staying away and not voting for these "all the same" parties. This would be very bad news for a Labour GE because if the vote is down then we all know who's vote will always turn out in these situations and Starmer may just have given the election away with a large proportion staying away.

The next couple of weeks of internal polling will be interesting, we should be able to see the road to go down after this.

Really high stakes for Starmer and Labour this, i wonder who has lobbied this type of action?