Fans

[5minstogo]

It was quite telling yesterday that after both Rovers goals the players made no attempt to celebrate near our fans. Barlow ran to the subs warming up and Molyneux ran straight to the photographer. Faulkner and Seaman the most engaged with the fans but the remainder all pretty much ignored us.

[dickos1]

It was quite telling yesterday that after both Rovers goals the players made no attempt to celebrate near our fans. Barlow ran to the subs warming up and Molyneux ran straight to the photographer. Faulkner and Seaman the most engaged with the fans but the remainder all pretty much ignored us.

Can’t blame them though

[Redroy]

The videos from yesterday looked grim and I definitely feel for Schofield in that regard. Problems here are deeper than who is in charge. We simply have a squad that is 3/4s very average league two players and rest sucked into the whirlpool of negativity surrounding us at the mo.

This plan for the summer is huge for us.

[tyke1962]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

[sedwardsdrfc]

I’m no fan of DS but you have to feel for him and it isn’t right the abuse he’s getting personally.

I think when you see how many fans want him gone and for how many games he’s probably feeling the brunt of fans feeling their voices aren’t been heard.

[dickos1]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

[roversdude]

The worrying thing is if we get rid of DS get a new manager and lose a couple of games the knobs will start again.
It was ironic that they were chanting the football is sh1t as we scored
Throwback as well when they were chanting at the Harrogate physio

[Cramby10]

There was toxicity before Schofield came to the club, it has been there all season and is sucking the life blood out of the club

It's the appalling and utterly incompetent leadership decisions on matters of football administration over a sustained period of time which is 'sucking the life blood out of the club'.

I'm not condoning some of the worst behaviour of a minority of fans however the 'toxicity' in the stands is totally understandable in Rovers current circumstances.

The toxicity in the stands has contributed to the demise. Other clubs get behind their team during a game, no matter what. Clubs with far worse boards than us.
We have hundreds of fans who have no interest in the game or how well the club is doing. They just go for the drink and the aggro

you can’t possibly be that naive? There’s morons at every club. The country’s full of them full stop. And god forbid he isn’t coaching in another country. They’d have kidnapped his family or something equally ridiculous if he was in Italy.
In no way shape or form am I condoning the vitriol but how are fans supposed to demonstrate their dissatisfaction at the disgusting football being served up by him? Me? I’m staying away, not buying a ST and moaning a bucket full on here. But that isn’t getting through to the club. Is it?
So those of a little lower tolerance / intelligence are doing this.
Choose what, the status cannot be allowed to continue. We’re at the point of return for DS. The divide between the fans and players/coaches is massive. The next incumbent has a massive job on his hands and I believe PR should be top of his list before a ball is even kicked.

[Reg of the Rovers]

Agree completely Cramby. He’s absolutely passed the point of no return, right or wrong this is the only real way our fans can demonstrate how they feel. Fans drink and get carried away at every game, this is different because the vast majority are absolutely at the end of their tether and need to see the manager change, until that happens there is no reason for positivity. The club need to do right by everyone now, including Schofield, and move on so the healing and rebuilding can start. Like it or not, it can’t happen with Schofield now.

[tyke1962]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

That's a bit of a sweeping statement dickos with all due respect .

There's nowt going on at Rovers currently that I haven't seen over here .

As a club your in exactly the same state as we were last season , one look at the final championship table told the story , it was horrific .

A Protest Group was formed , it just wasn't the events on the field either driving it , the stadium was in poor state , the owners bought the club in 2017 debt free and £5m in the bank and managed to not only create the worst championship team in our history we'd debts mounting up to £8m plus a £14.6m wage bill to service .

The Protest Group were met with a mixed reaction , good folk like yourself backed the club , backed a sinking ship taking us in to oblivion for Christ's sake .

Division within the fan base is never good but this got ugly , fights in the stands and a smear campaign against the Protest Groups main face , his mental health took a hammering , his relationship with his partner took a hammering , it was toxic .

All he wanted was the club run right financially and half a chance on the championship field .

People within the Oakwell hierarchy took note following relegation , three of the owners were sacked from the board , they still own considerable shares but no longer make the decisions .

The club got its act together to reconnect with its fans with a number of offers and events and it's worked too .

It helps considerably to consistently win games of football I'll concede , we threw the foreign coach thing out of the window and brought someone in who knew the league .

We threw away the absurd age restriction on players coming in , previously we'd only sign players under 24 and brought Norwood in and a couple more .

My point is your board have to listen to the fans and make better decisions going forward because if they don't then the bottom of the well looms closer , I can see it myself .

Get rid of DS , start a fresh in the summer , new identity , the whole works .

You take this current situation in to the new season and he loses the first home game having spent the budget and your just compounding this in my opinion .

[selby]

  Its a reflection of todays society, the entitled generations who have been spoon fed from birth, and expect nothing else but everything they want to be handed on a plate for them to devour with them providing the minimum input to attain success.
  They used to be thought of and looked on as a rabble, but now they are accepted as upstanding citizens with passion.


   By some.

[Canadian Rover]

I feel for Danny but feel he made have rod for his own back in many ways. The earlier interviews he never acknowledged or thanked the fans and at times almost treated them as if they were stupid and knew nothing about the game. This led to a seperation of him and them.

Fast forward with  injuries and some horrendous goalkeeping errors and he's now desperate for the backing of the fans who show him none. His treatment of them has come home to roost.

In all of this he still keeps with the same formation which is a negative one.

Then out of nowhere comes two statements in one. The first part is Terry. An acknowledgement that the playing side of things are going to change for the better; he's going to invest significant funds personally to the team - great.

The second part came from the much maligned Blunt who stated that Danny was here to stay and was effectively being trusted into next season.

The games come in thick and fast, defensive/goal keeping errors and formation remain and so do the results. And the fans vent their frustration in horrid manners.

Undeserved? maybe
Inappropriate? Without a doubt  understandable? 100%

Either way a line in the sand needs to be drawn as this can't continue.

[LincsRover]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

That's a bit of a sweeping statement dickos with all due respect .

There's nowt going on at Rovers currently that I haven't seen over here .

As a club your in exactly the same state as we were last season , one look at the final championship table told the story , it was horrific .

A Protest Group was formed , it just wasn't the events on the field either driving it , the stadium was in poor state , the owners bought the club in 2017 debt free and £5m in the bank and managed to not only create the worst championship team in our history we'd debts mounting up to £8m plus a £14.6m wage bill to service .

The Protest Group were met with a mixed reaction , good folk like yourself backed the club , backed a sinking ship taking us in to oblivion for Christ's sake .

Division within the fan base is never good but this got ugly , fights in the stands and a smear campaign against the Protest Groups main face , his mental health took a hammering , his relationship with his partner took a hammering , it was toxic .

All he wanted was the club run right financially and half a chance on the championship field .

People within the Oakwell hierarchy took note following relegation , three of the owners were sacked from the board , they still own considerable shares but no longer make the decisions .

The club got its act together to reconnect with its fans with a number of offers and events and it's worked too .

It helps considerably to consistently win games of football I'll concede , we threw the foreign coach thing out of the window and brought someone in who knew the league .

We threw away the absurd age restriction on players coming in , previously we'd only sign players under 24 and brought Norwood in and a couple more .

My point is your board have to listen to the fans and make better decisions going forward because if they don't then the bottom of the well looms closer , I can see it myself .

Get rid of DS , start a fresh in the summer , new identity , the whole works .

You take this current situation in to the new season and he loses the first home game having spent the budget and your just compounding this in my opinion .

 

Couldn’t agree more tyke, I hope our board are able to look outside of the club and see what needs to be done then take action in a similar way to Barnsley. That’s all we want to see, as fans, a club heading in the right direction with a plan, rather than nosediving into the national league and oblivion.

[Donnybax]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

that is absolutely nonsense

[tyke1962]

  Its a reflection of todays society, the entitled generations who have been spoon fed from birth, and expect nothing else but everything they want to be handed on a plate for them to devour with them providing the minimum input to attain success.
  They used to be thought of and looked on as a rabble, but now they are accepted as upstanding citizens with passion.


   By some.

With all due respect Selby anyone who follows Rovers and Barnsley with a sense of entitlement doesn't exist .

Way too easy to follow City , United or any number of big PL clubs these days .

If your a Rovers fan at Harrogate yesterday your a proper fan and know what you've signed up to and have probably known it for years .

[pib]

That was absolutely horrible yesterday. Things aren’t going well but the abuse towards Schofield was way OTT. I came away feeling completely despondent to be honest. Whether he keeps his job or not, I hope his mental health can withstand this. I know mine wouldn’t.

[Filo]

I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.

He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job

[glosterred]

There were some older heads amongst them too. I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.

Support the team not the regime my arse!

Yep the constant sack the board chant, along with your not fit to wear the shirt and Schofield your football is shit isn’t exactly supporting the team. But what really is insipid is the chant “how shit must you be we’re winning away” how is this last chant, especially, supporting the team?


COYR

[ravenrover]

The behaviour of  an element of our away fans is the main reason I have stopped, with the exception of a few games, going to away matches

[tyke1962]

In my opinion yesterday's events can't just be brushed off as some kind of society problem because there's genuine reasons for the behaviour of some fans yesterday .

Their club is in turmoil and I suspect because many have seen this before at Rovers they are seriously concerned by it and it's adding extra fat to the flames .

The rot has to stop , it really does because the bottom three next season in league two is in play here right now .

You don't need me to highlight the consequences of relegation to the National League and in my opinion it's way tougher today than it was over 20 years ago and you didn't get straight back to the EFL then .

This is one of the most important summer's in Rovers history in my opinion and you simply have to get it right  , you really do .

[Reg of the Rovers]

I agree Tyke, fans are trying to articulate how unhappy they are - there’s not that many ways to do that. This forum has pages of confirmation that we’re not happy and want change, a recent vote on here showed about 90% of 300ish fans want him gone. I don’t know why that message is not getting through, but this isn’t daft kids with a sense of misplaced entitlement, this is a majority of fans trying to express how unhappy we are - and this isn’t going away until Copps and the Board take the decisive action required and remove this incompetent manager. In my opinion it is them putting Schofield in this position of being subject to the abuse because they won’t respond to the voice of the fans - which has been very clear.

[Canadian Rover]

I agree Tyke, fans are trying to articulate how unhappy they are - there’s not that many ways to do that. This forum has pages of confirmation that we’re not happy and want change, a recent vote on here showed about 90% of 300ish fans want him gone. I don’t know why that message is not getting through, but this isn’t daft kids with a sense of misplaced entitlement, this is a majority of fans trying to express how unhappy we are - and this isn’t going away until Copps and the Board take the decisive action required and remove this incompetent manager. In my opinion it is them putting Schofield in this position of being subject to the abuse because they won’t respond to the voice of the fans - which has been very clear.

I think it's also important to acknowledge many of the fans saw this coming at the time of the appointment and clearly stated it.

Others like me stayed silent and were happy to clap on and encourage and hope in blind faith and misplaced optimism that JC knew we were getting a genius coach in the SOD, Potter mould and that we would build something very impressive. 

It turns out that the silent fans are now speaking out and agree with the vocal ones from the outset. These numbers didn't all come at once but have built and built, many remained patient (some like Dickos still are)

The silent majority (not Martin) are no longer silent and the two statements in one press release have turned optimism into speciesism as many see the two points as contradictory. Further interviews from JC and Sean Lockwood haven't exactly installed confidence either.  Only one person thus far has taken accountability of their failures and that was Terry Bramall who has spoke about it and vowed to make a difference going forward.

It's time for others to do the same.

[Branton Red]

In my opinion yesterday's events can't just be brushed off as some kind of society problem because there's genuine reasons for the behaviour of some fans yesterday .

Their club is in turmoil and I suspect because many have seen this before at Rovers they are seriously concerned by it and it's adding extra fat to the flames .

The rot has to stop , it really does because the bottom three next season in league two is in play here right now .

You don't need me to highlight the consequences of relegation to the National League and in my opinion it's way tougher today than it was over 20 years ago and you didn't get straight back to the EFL then .

This is one of the most important summer's in Rovers history in my opinion and you simply have to get it right  , you really do .

Tyke your 3 or 4 posts on this thread are absolutely spot on and extremely eloquently put. I'd recommend anyone goes back and reads them.

Perhaps your being able to view this malaise from afar and relatively dispassionately help in terms of you being able to sum up exactly what I, and I believe many Rovers fans are thinking right now, so very, very well.

I'd add by own thoughts, but they mirror yours exactly, and I'm so angry and upset right now with what's happening to my club that my missives will just be too emotive and incoherent in comparison.

Just to say that if DS is not removed from his post I am hugely concerned for this club and this city retaining football league status next season.

31 points from 28 matches under DS. 15 points from the last 18 matches (inc before the injuries kicked in - injuries that can easily happen next season again)

[dickos1]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

that is absolutely nonsense

Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.

[donnievic]

Dreadful atmosphere there today.

A loud minority seemingly turned up with one intention; to just jeer and abuse the manager, including pouncing on every mistake to then go on and abuse the manager some more.

A very disappointing day, and that was nothing to do with the performance which wasn't that bad.

I can only sympathise with Schofield at this point. No one deserves this sort of rubbish directed at them.

That’s the worst “ abuse “ I’ve heard aimed at our manager in my lifetime. Not only that the “ physio” was getting abuse as well.
To me, give your opinion at the end of the match, but by destroying the manager, players & staff DURING the match is bizarre. A game we WERE winning & still gets it. Whatever wage DS is on he didn’t deserve that today.
I’m not sticking up for his tactics etc, I’m saying give him respect as a human being.

agree with wot you say regarding getting it during the game as doesn’t help the players either as they be worried the do anything wrong incase they get any grief,however he does bring slot of it on himself with certain things he says or does with however they have played or by not changing things.
 Regarding the physio it was more banter than anything else with difference in their physio to ours

[Reg of the Rovers]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

that is absolutely nonsense

Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.

I think that some of the dissent is being mispresented or misunderstood as poor behaviour or mischief making. To see Rovers play a pointless game during one of the biggest slumps in our history, you had to buy a ticket in a 1 hour window on a Monday morning at 9am. It's not random troublesome fans - only season ticket holders who are organised die-hard fans could possibly have been there given how hard it was to get tickets. This is the true voice of our fans, upset and hurt and demanding a change of manager.

[Donnybax]

Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .

It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .

Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .

The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season  and they are frustrated , rightly so .

How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?

Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .

That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .

If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .

Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots

that is absolutely nonsense

Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.

but to suggest the last 3 managers is a massive exaggeration. I think yesterday was wrong there’s no denying that but it was most likely an accumulation of the last few years of absolute rubbish.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.

He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job

What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you  how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?

[sedwardsdrfc]

I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.

He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job

What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you  how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?

Only a comparison if it’s after nearly crashing the car several times and Kerbing it a few times for good measure.

Personal abuse not ok but you’d probably expect the passenger to ask if your ok to drive and then ask to get out so they can get another taxi.

[Filo]

I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.

He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job

What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you  how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?

I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid