Another Brexit benefit

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ Another one Glynn

I've seen both of those days ago when looking for your 2019 figure. I still haven't found it yet so they're useless, like you are when asked to show where you got the 2019 figure from. Still waiting. You keep telling me it's easy to find so where is it?

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ Another one Glynn

I've seen both of those days ago when looking for your 2019 figure. I still haven't found it yet so they're useless, like you are when asked to show where you got the 2019 figure from. Still waiting. You keep telling me it's easy to find so where is it?

Go take a running jump at yourself, I’m right and you are wrong and your so pedantic you can’t stand it, I haven’t seen one link from you yet, pull your finger out and show me the money?
Not one single link from you, put up or shut up?

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ Another one Glynn

I've seen both of those days ago when looking for your 2019 figure. I still haven't found it yet so they're useless, like you are when asked to show where you got the 2019 figure from. Still waiting. You keep telling me it's easy to find so where is it?

Go take a running jump at yourself, I’m right and you are wrong and your so pedantic you can’t stand it, I haven’t seen one link from you yet, pull your finger out and show me the money?
Not one single link from you, put up or shut up?

YOU stated amounts of money, YOU haven't given a link to prove it. YOU'VE been found out spouting crap and now YOU'RE cornered YOU get abusive because YOU aren't man enough to admit it.

2019, 12.5 billions euros contribution, gross not nett. YOUR claim, NOT mine. Put up or shut up.

 

[danumdon]

Germany 5.75 in 2016 down to 3.4 in 2022, don't recall them leaving the EU

[BillyStubbsTears]

Germany 5.75 in 2016 down to 3.4 in 2022, don't recall them leaving the EU

Where have you got that from?

Germany's net contribution in 2021 was €25.5bn. I can't easily find numbers for 2022, but I doubt it'll be much lower than that.

[danumdon]

Germany 5.75 in 2016 down to 3.4 in 2022, don't recall them leaving the EU

Where have you got that from?

Germany's net contribution in 2021 was €25.5bn. I can't easily find numbers for 2022, but I doubt it'll be much lower than that.

Apologies, i was replying to car production numbers in Germany and put it in the wrong place, must of had a brain fart with beating a team 2 tiers above us tonight.

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/ Another one Glynn

I've seen both of those days ago when looking for your 2019 figure. I still haven't found it yet so they're useless, like you are when asked to show where you got the 2019 figure from. Still waiting. You keep telling me it's easy to find so where is it?

Go take a running jump at yourself, I’m right and you are wrong and your so pedantic you can’t stand it, I haven’t seen one link from you yet, pull your finger out and show me the money?
Not one single link from you, put up or shut up?

YOU stated amounts of money, YOU haven't given a link to prove it. YOU'VE been found out spouting crap and now YOU'RE cornered YOU get abusive because YOU aren't man enough to admit it.

2019, 12.5 billions euros contribution, gross not nett. YOUR claim, NOT mine. Put up or shut up.

 

You have been spouting off about Net and Gross
But you can’t prove it, can you???

[Glyn_Wigley]

You have been spouting off about Net and Gross
But you can’t prove it, can you???

As it happens I have now found something online that can confirm the French net contribution of 2019. But before I post it, I just want to confirm that you still stand by this:

Their contributions have doubled since 2020

and confirm that when you said this:

Does €12.5 billion in 2019 and €26billion in 2021 sound about right ?

that both figures are either gross contributions or both are net contributions but not one of each, which would be a completely shit comparison to make.

Just to make sure you can't try and wriggle out of it afterwards.

[bobjimwilly]

This country is f*cked mainly because adults can't accept when they are wrong these days; no-one seems to have any humilty.

Brexit is OBVIOUSLY a terrible mistake concerning our economy. Facts are facts. Yet I hear people now saying they knew that all along and knew it would take 20+ years to reap the benefits?!?!

Just grow a pair, admit you're wrong and admit we should AT LEAST rejoin the single market so we don't f*ck over our children and grandchildren.

[Ldr]

This country is f*cked mainly because adults can't accept when they are wrong these days; no-one seems to have any humilty.

Brexit is OBVIOUSLY a terrible mistake concerning our economy. Facts are facts. Yet I hear people now saying they knew that all along and knew it would take 20+ years to reap the benefits?!?!

Just grow a pair, admit you're wrong and admit we should AT LEAST rejoin the single market so we don't f*ck over our children and grandchildren.

I’d have no issue with that, in fact I believe if the transition from eec to eu hadn’t happened then the whole brexit issue would not have surfaced.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Single Market wasn't part of the EEC but the EU. It could only happen after the Maastricht Treaty.

[Ldr]

The Single Market wasn't part of the EEC but the EU. It could only happen after the Maastricht Treaty.

What I’m getting at Glyn is that it should have remained a trading bloc not a political entity

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr

Which aspects of the "political entity" of the EU so badly affront your concept of our sovereignty that it justifies punching ourselves repeatedly in the economic b*llocks to be free of them?

[Ldr]

Ldr

Which aspects of the "political entity" of the EU so badly affront your concept of our sovereignty that it justifies punching ourselves repeatedly in the economic b*llocks to be free of them?

Just acknowledging that I read your comment but choose not to engage with you at this time

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's fine Ldr. Absolutely your prerogative.

It's just that I've seen Brexit supporters asked that question for years, and never have any solid example to return with. Just a worry about what might have happened in a hypothetical parallel universe.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Single Market wasn't part of the EEC but the EU. It could only happen after the Maastricht Treaty.

What I’m getting at Glyn is that it should have remained a trading bloc not a political entity

That's fine if that's what you want but you'd still have all the red tape, Customs bureaucracy and ensuing delays that we've had to re-introduce since leaving the Single Market.

[selby]

  Think of it this way Glynn, all that Bureaucracy and red tape keeps people in work, whether they are any good at it you would know better than I being part of it in your time.

[danumdon]

That's fine Ldr. Absolutely your prerogative.

It's just that I've seen Brexit supporters asked that question for years, and never have any solid example to return with. Just a worry about what might have happened in a hypothetical parallel universe.

BST, i think the vast majority of people were and would be happy with a trading block agreement only.

After all its the leading model of cooperation between most trading block agreements around the world. Im quite happy to have trading agreements with anyone, what i do object to is having political agreements within a trading block that tie's us into deals which have to be a compromise between nations that don't have a great deal in common with each other, this means that you rarely get your desired outcome, when in the EU we often had to agree to policy that was led by nations who by their closer attachments often overrode our preference.

The fact the EU has a long term goal of becoming a federal state with all the political power attached to have a common financial, social and defence policy, including the Euro, a European army and social policy that means we have no control over what we personally want to have means that myself and a great many others would never want to be a part of this artificial construct. By all means have aligned policy if it's best practice and suits are requirements but have the political freedom to deviate when it suits.

So for me the fact we have to work harder to improve our social and economic position outside of this cosy club is something we have to tolerate in place of becoming a member of an artificial and ungovernable federal state member.

We just need better governance by a political party that has the competence and experience to deliver growth, stability and prosperity for all, i don't want to pay for additional political constructs who i have no way of removing to tell us what to do when i already pay for 650 of them in the commons and god knows how many hundreds of unelected hangers on in the upper house, why do we need another incompetent construct to tell us what we have to do?

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Think of it this way Glynn, all that Bureaucracy and red tape keeps people in work, whether they are any good at it you would know better than I being part of it in your time.

It would only give jobs to a handful of people at points of entry, whereas the effect of it on the companies who have been affected by it and had to lay off workers due to lost business is countrywide.

How about you look at it that way.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Single Market wasn't part of the EEC but the EU. It could only happen after the Maastricht Treaty.

What I’m getting at Glyn is that it should have remained a trading bloc not a political entity

That's fine if that's what you want but you'd still have all the red tape, Customs bureaucracy and ensuing delays that we've had to re-introduce since leaving the Single Market.

The thing is. EVERY trade agreement involves a pooling of sovereignty to some extent.

"Sovereignty" isn't like virginity. There's no binary "I have/have not got it" issue. It's malleable.

The real question about the EU wasn't "do we have Sovereignty or not?"

It was "Is what we gain worth the sacrifice of some of our Sovereignty?"

That question was never addressed. Neither in 2016 nor since.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The problem is that collaborating with other countries has been painted as loss of sovereignity and therefore as something bad even when it's in both country's best interests.

And some people fall for that argument.

[Sprotyrover]

The problem is that collaborating with other countries has been painted as loss of sovereignity and therefore as something bad even when it's in both country's best interests.

And some people fall for that argument.

Fiddling Farming subsidies seems to be the norm, whose interest is that in ?, even the Dutch farmers are doing it
Typical EU make stuff so complicated that you can’t even Police the system properly.
If the Dutch are doing it what about the rest?
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/08/dozens-of-farmers-claim-other-peoples-land-for-eu-grants-ftm/

[Glyn_Wigley]

You have been spouting off about Net and Gross
But you can’t prove it, can you???

As it happens I have now found something online that can confirm the French net contribution of 2019. But before I post it, I just want to confirm that you still stand by this:

Their contributions have doubled since 2020

and confirm that when you said this:

Does €12.5 billion in 2019 and €26billion in 2021 sound about right ?

that both figures are either gross contributions or both are net contributions but not one of each, which would be a completely shit comparison to make.

Just to make sure you can't try and wriggle out of it afterwards.

Waiting for you to reply to this is making the five hours you accused me of taking to do something look positively fleeting.

[Branton Red]

One undeniable Brexit downside.

Rovers have been bloody awful since we left the Single Market!

[Sprotyrover]

You have been spouting off about Net and Gross
But you can’t prove it, can you???

As it happens I have now found something online that can confirm the French net contribution of 2019. But before I post it, I just want to confirm that you still stand by this:

Their contributions have doubled since 2020

and confirm that when you said this:

Does €12.5 billion in 2019 and €26billion in 2021 sound about right ?

that both figures are either gross contributions or both are net contributions but not one of each, which would be a completely shit comparison to make.

Just to make sure you can't try and wriggle out of it afterwards.

Waiting for you to reply to this is making the five hours you accused me of taking to do something look positively fleeting.

You claim to have links to sites which support your case, yet you seem to think I have to trawl through the internet to find the information that supports you, how nonsensical of you!

[Glyn_Wigley]

You have been spouting off about Net and Gross
But you can’t prove it, can you???

As it happens I have now found something online that can confirm the French net contribution of 2019. But before I post it, I just want to confirm that you still stand by this:

Their contributions have doubled since 2020

and confirm that when you said this:

Does €12.5 billion in 2019 and €26billion in 2021 sound about right ?

that both figures are either gross contributions or both are net contributions but not one of each, which would be a completely shit comparison to make.

Just to make sure you can't try and wriggle out of it afterwards.

Waiting for you to reply to this is making the five hours you accused me of taking to do something look positively fleeting.

You claim to have links to sites which support your case, yet you seem to think I have to trawl through the internet to find the information that supports you, how nonsensical of you!

No I don't, I just want you to confirm that you still believe and maintain what you said in the first place. That's all.

[Sprotyrover]

You have been spouting off about Net and Gross
But you can’t prove it, can you???

As it happens I have now found something online that can confirm the French net contribution of 2019. But before I post it, I just want to confirm that you still stand by this:

Their contributions have doubled since 2020

and confirm that when you said this:

Does €12.5 billion in 2019 and €26billion in 2021 sound about right ?

that both figures are either gross contributions or both are net contributions but not one of each, which would be a completely shit comparison to make.

Just to make sure you can't try and wriggle out of it afterwards.

Waiting for you to reply to this is making the five hours you accused me of taking to do something look positively fleeting.

You claim to have links to sites which support your case, yet you seem to think I have to trawl through the internet to find the information that supports you, how nonsensical of you!

No I don't, I just want you to confirm that you still believe and maintain what you said in the first place. That's all.

I think you need to see your Doctor Glynn!
I made a statement you claim I am wrong and you can prove it but you haven’t have you?

[Not Now Kato]

I believe this Brexit Benefit comes into being in 2024
 
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en

[Not Now Kato]

Good to see we're taking back control....
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/29/economy/uk-food-imports-safety-brexit/index.html
 

[normal rules]

I believe this Brexit Benefit comes into being in 2024
 
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en

This affects around 1.4 billion people worldwide. Including the US. Just 7euro for three years. For those that want to travel to Europe that is.