BBC presenter

[ncRover]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-gold-flat-carrie-invoice-b2118185.html

Was this journalism also condemned on this forum for invasion of privacy, or was it ok because it was someone you didn’t like?

So you don't see the difference between the private life of a newsreader and the private life of the man that people will vote to be the person with their finger on the button?

I don’t really have an opinion on either. It is what it is with a free press. I do think Huw should be left alone while he’s unwell and can’t respond to allegations.

The public helps to pay the salary of both. But the “be kind” brigade do seem to be quite selective. I would bet the reaction would be different even if it was an Andrew Neil or Jeremy Clarkson while they were at the BBC.

Jeremy Clarkson punched a producer at work. He regularly made overtly racist comments on TV.

Andrew Neil facilitated a huge public pile on against a female journalist who had the temerity to investigate Russian influence in UK politics.

I'm struggling to see what the comparison is with Edwards, whose failings, whatever they may be, seem to be entirely connected to his private life.

That’s not what I was saying

[BillyStubbsTears]

OK. My mistake.

[DRFC_AjA]

A chap at work today said the hooha over this and Schofield is homophobic. I said I want convinced however it got me thinking is it sexist?

Would Holly Wills be getting all this flack? Cheryl Cole had a relationship with Liam Payne with about a 20 year age gap and she first knew him when he was about 14...grooming a la the Schofield allegations? Cancel Cheryl?

The Finnish female PM recently seen girating with young men in a club. Instead of "that's disgusting" it was quite the opposite with all the doing it for the girls etc

[Glyn_Wigley]

Some parts of the media don't seem to have learned from Caroline Flack.

[wilts rover]

A chap at work today said the hooha over this and Schofield is homophobic. I said I want convinced however it got me thinking is it sexist?

Would Holly Wills be getting all this flack? Cheryl Cole had a relationship with Liam Payne with about a 20 year age gap and she first knew him when he was about 14...grooming a la the Schofield allegations? Cancel Cheryl?

The Finnish female PM recently seen girating with young men in a club. Instead of "that's disgusting" it was quite the opposite with all the doing it for the girls etc

The Sc*m in particular have a long history of front page stories imed at showing gay people in a bad light. Elton John sued them for it (and won).

Are they homophobic? Can anyone remember a story they ran that showed gay/trans people in a good light?

[wilts rover]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-gold-flat-carrie-invoice-b2118185.html

Was this journalism also condemned on this forum for invasion of privacy, or was it ok because it was someone you didn’t like?

So you don't see the difference between the private life of a newsreader and the private life of the man that people will vote to be the person with their finger on the button?

I don’t really have an opinion on either. It is what it is with a free press. I do think Huw should be left alone while he’s unwell and can’t respond to allegations.

The public helps to pay the salary of both. But the “be kind” brigade do seem to be quite selective. I would bet the reaction would be different even if it was an Andrew Neil or Jeremy Clarkson while they were at the BBC.

Aren’t we all guilty of selective ‘be kind’ to some degree?
Take Edwards V Schofield, for example. My personal thoughts are that I feel sad for Edwards yet think of Schofield that he deserves everything that has come to him.
Why? No other reason than I liked watching Edwards and perceive him to be a nice chap, whereas I couldn’t abide watching Schofield on the box.

I think so. Gobsh*ites like Dan Wootton change their mind on things depending on what is politically expedient to them.

I saw Owen Jones recently had no problem with someone interrupting George Osboure’s wedding but went on a huge Twitter rant about the Sun’s behaviour regarding Huw Edwards.

Poster equates having confetti spread on you at your wedding with being accused of being a predatory peadophile. (No idea what Owen Jones said - but I doubt it was that).

[ncRover]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-gold-flat-carrie-invoice-b2118185.html

Was this journalism also condemned on this forum for invasion of privacy, or was it ok because it was someone you didn’t like?

So you don't see the difference between the private life of a newsreader and the private life of the man that people will vote to be the person with their finger on the button?

I don’t really have an opinion on either. It is what it is with a free press. I do think Huw should be left alone while he’s unwell and can’t respond to allegations.

The public helps to pay the salary of both. But the “be kind” brigade do seem to be quite selective. I would bet the reaction would be different even if it was an Andrew Neil or Jeremy Clarkson while they were at the BBC.

Aren’t we all guilty of selective ‘be kind’ to some degree?
Take Edwards V Schofield, for example. My personal thoughts are that I feel sad for Edwards yet think of Schofield that he deserves everything that has come to him.
Why? No other reason than I liked watching Edwards and perceive him to be a nice chap, whereas I couldn’t abide watching Schofield on the box.

I think so. Gobsh*ites like Dan Wootton change their mind on things depending on what is politically expedient to them.

I saw Owen Jones recently had no problem with someone interrupting George Osboure’s wedding but went on a huge Twitter rant about the Sun’s behaviour regarding Huw Edwards.

Poster equates having confetti spread on you at your wedding with being accused of being a predatory peadophile. (No idea what Owen Jones said - but I doubt it was that).

Wilts, if this was a Tory MP or GB news presenter at the centre of these allegations your reasoning would be like normal rules’. I am incredibly confident of that. That’s the point I’m making about dogmatic people. It’s always ‘my side against yours’ on absolutely everything (political or not) and it’s draining.

This is why I posted the Boris examples.

[Iberian Red]

If it was Andrew Neil or Clarkson they would be fair game as they are a pair of sexist,xenophobic kitsons.
Edit. That is also the kind of crowd they they play to.

[DRFC_AjA]

Some parts of the media don't seem to have learned from Caroline Flack.

She was a domestic abuser who for reason is held up in light as some poster child for hard done by celebs. Not saying the press hounding is deserved on anyone but it totally undelines my point of the sexism at play

[mugnapper]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/07/17/gb-news-star-dan-wootton-unmasked-in-cash-for-sexual-images-catfishing-scandal/
Ncrover must have had a premonition (see post above).

[Iberian Red]

Wootton is an odious Kitson,however that would appear to be part of the job spec for gaining employment at GBNews

[BillyStubbsTears]

So it turns out that all the way through the Huw Edwards story, the Mail had put Dan Wootton on gardening leave because of the issue of him deceiving colleagues into sending him sex pics.

But while they were plastering their front page with attacks on Edwards and the BBC, they never thought to mention this.

Ah well. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake.

[danumdon]

Come on BST you should know better, any business who have an employee under an allegation of wrongdoing have to suspend them pending an investigation.

If and when the investigation has something concrete to go on they can then carry out whatever disciplinary measure they deem fitting to the incident.

Nobody, regardless of their likes or political persuasion should be compromised or certain claims made about them before the full facts are known.

[tommy toes]

Come on BST you should know better, any business who have an employee under an allegation of wrongdoing have to suspend them pending an investigation.

If and when the investigation has something concrete to go on they can then carry out whatever disciplinary measure they deem fitting to the incident.

Nobody, regardless of their likes or political persuasion should be compromised or certain claims made about them before the full facts are known.

OK, I look forward to the Daily Fails front page splash when  the full facts are known.

[danumdon]

Come on BST you should know better, any business who have an employee under an allegation of wrongdoing have to suspend them pending an investigation.

If and when the investigation has something concrete to go on they can then carry out whatever disciplinary measure they deem fitting to the incident.

Nobody, regardless of their likes or political persuasion should be compromised or certain claims made about them before the full facts are known.

OK, I look forward to the Daily Fails front page splash when  the full facts are known.

Regardless what the Mail publish on their front page (i doubt they will say anything about this case) its the  employees right's i'm referring too.

[belton rover]

Come on BST you should know better, any business who have an employee under an allegation of wrongdoing have to suspend them pending an investigation.

If and when the investigation has something concrete to go on they can then carry out whatever disciplinary measure they deem fitting to the incident.

Nobody, regardless of their likes or political persuasion should be compromised or certain claims made about them before the full facts are known.

OK, I look forward to the Daily Fails front page splash when  the full facts are known.

That’s not really the point that was being made.

[tommy toes]

Aye aye, he's here.

[belton rover]

Aye aye, he's here.

Grow up, Tommy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Come on BST you should know better, any business who have an employee under an allegation of wrongdoing have to suspend them pending an investigation.

If and when the investigation has something concrete to go on they can then carry out whatever disciplinary measure they deem fitting to the incident.

Nobody, regardless of their likes or political persuasion should be compromised or certain claims made about them before the full facts are known.

He wasn't an employee. He was a freelancer.

[belton rover]

Can freelancers be put on gardening leave?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's a phrase. Possibly a technically incorrect one. I apologise profusely if so. They've not run his bi-weekly column since 29 June.

[belton rover]

I get that, but if he’s not employed by them then they’re not responsible for him in any way.

I don’t believe that the Mail, of all newspapers, would hold back on a story that would sell, because of some hypocritical, unfounded loyalty to someone like him.
He’s nothing to the Daily Mail.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Belton

It's the fact that they led, day after day, on the topic of one media personality supposed sex crimes while not mentioning those of a person they'd been paying until a few days earlier.

It's not about them having any responsibility for him. It's about them having a policy aim to direct anger of readers in certain directions.

As I've said several times in here, I've had direct and personal experience of how the bas**rds at the Mail chose to very deliberately mislead their readers. It runs through every fibre of their organisation.

[belton rover]

It’s quite understandable that if you have been affected personally by how they mislead, you would have such a strong, unwavering view. However, as someone who hasn’t, the way the Mail has responded to both ‘scandals’ is neither surprising nor different to what any other tabloid would do: whatever is best for them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Which, of course, is my point Belton.

I wouldn't trust that rag to tell me truthfully the time of day. And yet millions of people rely on it as a primary source of information about what is going on in the world.

[Bentley Bullet]

The press prints the news, not necessarily the truth. It prints what its readers want to read.

[RobTheRover]

A mate of mine has had dealings with Wootton in the past.

Said he wouldn't p!ss on him if he was on fire.

[belton rover]

A mate of mine has had dealings with Wootton in the past.

Said he wouldn't p!ss on him if he was on fire.

I’ve heard the same. That’s why I thought, initially, that Billy’s point was more about him than the Mail.

[bpoolrover]

Which, of course, is my point Belton.

I wouldn't trust that rag to tell me truthfully the time of day. And yet millions of people rely on it as a primary source of information about what is going on in the world.

you are right about the mail, but be honest certain people come on this off topic on a football message board simply to try and get people to think the way they do, of course the numbers are different but the principle is the same

[wilts rover]

Come on BST you should know better, any business who have an employee under an allegation of wrongdoing have to suspend them pending an investigation.

If and when the investigation has something concrete to go on they can then carry out whatever disciplinary measure they deem fitting to the incident.

Nobody, regardless of their likes or political persuasion should be compromised or certain claims made about them before the full facts are known.

I don't remember you saying that about the BBC presenter/Huw Edwards when this story first broke? Your right of course but...

As far as I am aware none of these alleged incidents have taken place in relation to his employment at the Daily Mail - so they are not investigating him. So nor will they be disciplining him. It was whilst he was with The Sun.

The Heil and The Sc*m were very prominnat discussing alleged sexual impropriety by a major media figure emplyed by the BBC. They have yet to mention alleged sexual impropriety by one of their employees. Like people here putting a defence up for one rather than the other.

Which makes you think it's not the actions they are bothered about.