Global Warming

[Nudga]

Fake and phoney?
You sound like the orange orangutan from over the pond.
Should we stone her?

You sound like a drip. Stone her?  Change your user name to Saudi Red.

[Bristol Red Rover]

One of the biggest green acts is making public transport a focus both in improving it, and making it free at the point of use. Not something Sunak nor Starmer will touch.

Another is massive pressure on the US and China. Again, not happening.

So, what happens are all kinds of policies with political and corrupt motivations.

[Iberian Red]

Fake and phoney?
You sound like the orange orangutan from over the pond.
Should we stone her?

You sound like a drip. Stone her?  Change your user name to Saudi Red.

You must have had an incredibly hard lock down if you take it out on young women with Aspergers.
Saudi/Sad man.

[ncRover]

Global warming is just that, global. Locally its likely we get more extreme weather events, a bit like with el nino. Short term, the UK has been forecast to have generally less cold winters, wetter summers, tho I think if/when the North Atlantic conveyor fails through global warming, the UK becomes much much colder almost instantly.

The 2022-23 surface mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet is currently running above the 1981-2010 average https://patbaywebcam.com/Greenland.php

It is fresh melt water running in to sea water that would disrupt the currents. This happened in the Younger Dryas period at the end of the last ice age. Temperature swings of 10-12C from cold to warm to cold to warm again.

You mentioned extreme weather events becoming more likely. The frequency of global hurricanes and major hurricanes has not increased in the last 50 years https://climatlas.com/tropical/?fbclid=IwAR1u-yYXiAXWvRW_LFAwKhDmERdhNYUy-EtfLvsuVbDqXDuw8RkyZ_--kts

In terms of temeprature, globally many many more people die from cold temperatures and the side effects than from the heat. If we have a look at the findings of this Lancet paper https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext

[Nudga]

Fake and phoney?
You sound like the orange orangutan from over the pond.
Should we stone her?

You sound like a drip. Stone her?  Change your user name to Saudi Red.

You must have had an incredibly hard lock down if you take it out on young women with Aspergers.
Saudi/Sad man.

If she's as bad as you think then she shouldn't be put in a position where she gets criticism. Maybe her handlers don't give a f**k about her as she's a marketable asset?

[Nudga]

Global warming is just that, global. Locally its likely we get more extreme weather events, a bit like with el nino. Short term, the UK has been forecast to have generally less cold winters, wetter summers, tho I think if/when the North Atlantic conveyor fails through global warming, the UK becomes much much colder almost instantly.

The 2022-23 surface mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet is currently running above the 1981-2010 average https://patbaywebcam.com/Greenland.php

It is fresh melt water running in to sea water that would disrupt the currents. This happened in the Younger Dryas period at the end of the last ice age. Temperature swings of 10-12C from cold to warm to cold to warm again.

You mentioned extreme weather events becoming more likely. The frequency of global hurricanes and major hurricanes has not increased in the last 50 years https://climatlas.com/tropical/?fbclid=IwAR1u-yYXiAXWvRW_LFAwKhDmERdhNYUy-EtfLvsuVbDqXDuw8RkyZ_--kts

In terms of temeprature, globally many many more people die from cold temperatures and the side effects than from the heat. If we have a look at the findings of this Lancet paper https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext

And it was also warm in the medieval times between 950 to 1250

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

[Iberian Red]

F**k me!
How old are you?

[Sprotyrover]

F**k me!
How old are you?
[/quote Clearly older and wiser than you looking looking at the series of Car Crash posts from yourself!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/24/greta-thunberg-fined-for-disobeying-swedish-police-at-climate-protest
Your heroine is an adult now and has to accept the full course of the law for her actions!

[Iberian Red]

Thanks sproggy.
I've given it a like along with GG.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Global warming is just that, global. Locally its likely we get more extreme weather events, a bit like with el nino. Short term, the UK has been forecast to have generally less cold winters, wetter summers, tho I think if/when the North Atlantic conveyor fails through global warming, the UK becomes much much colder almost instantly.

The 2022-23 surface mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet is currently running above the 1981-2010 average https://patbaywebcam.com/Greenland.php

It is fresh melt water running in to sea water that would disrupt the currents. This happened in the Younger Dryas period at the end of the last ice age. Temperature swings of 10-12C from cold to warm to cold to warm again.

You mentioned extreme weather events becoming more likely. The frequency of global hurricanes and major hurricanes has not increased in the last 50 years https://climatlas.com/tropical/?fbclid=IwAR1u-yYXiAXWvRW_LFAwKhDmERdhNYUy-EtfLvsuVbDqXDuw8RkyZ_--kts

In terms of temeprature, globally many many more people die from cold temperatures and the side effects than from the heat. If we have a look at the findings of this Lancet paper https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext

And it was also warm in the medieval times between 950 to 1250

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

Medieval Warm Period was only warmer than average in the North Atlantic area.

This graph, from the very link you posted Nudga, shows GLOBAL average temperatures for the past 2000 years.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I just don't understand anyone still questioning the fundamentals here. Like I said in the OP, even the swivel eyed far right loons have stopped doing that - they've just transitioned to Global Warming = Good Thing.

[belton rover]

I genuinely don’t know the answer to this, but just how accurate can these temperatures from hundreds of years go be?
I’m not denying we are f**king things up btw.

[Sprotyrover]

The climate can be a funny thing, look at the weather in Europe circa 1846/7 caused food shortages right across Europe and revolutions in Germany, France, Austro Hungary. One thing is for sure our contribution is minimal compared to China, India and the US,plus Indonesia and the Philippines and many other developing countries, they argue that we had our chance back in the days of the Industrial Revolution and now they are entitled to do the same!  They see it as a justification for their excessive Carbon footprint , well if the British had known about it A hundred plus years ago they would have done something, blaming us for their own polluting ways and using it as an excuse to keep polluting is a bit ‘Tardy’ I’m my humble opinion!

[Bristol Red Rover]

Global warming is just that, global. Locally its likely we get more extreme weather events, a bit like with el nino. Short term, the UK has been forecast to have generally less cold winters, wetter summers, tho I think if/when the North Atlantic conveyor fails through global warming, the UK becomes much much colder almost instantly.

The 2022-23 surface mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet is currently running above the 1981-2010 average https://patbaywebcam.com/Greenland.php

It is fresh melt water running in to sea water that would disrupt the currents. This happened in the Younger Dryas period at the end of the last ice age. Temperature swings of 10-12C from cold to warm to cold to warm again.

You mentioned extreme weather events becoming more likely. The frequency of global hurricanes and major hurricanes has not increased in the last 50 years https://climatlas.com/tropical/?fbclid=IwAR1u-yYXiAXWvRW_LFAwKhDmERdhNYUy-EtfLvsuVbDqXDuw8RkyZ_--kts

In terms of temeprature, globally many many more people die from cold temperatures and the side effects than from the heat. If we have a look at the findings of this Lancet paper https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext

And it was also warm in the medieval times between 950 to 1250

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

It was also warm when the Romans came over in their sandals wandering around walls in the south of Scotland. They left as it got colder. Coincidence? True tho.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I genuinely don’t know the answer to this, but just how accurate can these temperatures from hundreds of years go be?
I’m not denying we are f**king things up btw.

That particular graph is developed from a database put together by a very large group of international scientists, looking at a wide range of indicators from many sites across the world. These indicators include numerous independent indicators which are known to be affected by temperature, such as:
Tree rings
Formation of ocean and lake sediments
Formation of Arctic and Antarctic ice deposits
Structures of ancient corals
Structures of stalactites and stalagmites

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5505119/bin/sdata201788-s2.pdf

This dataset was then analysed by 7 different statistical approaches, with different underlying assumptions.

All approaches found essentially the same trend.

This is hard science. If people really want to understand it, they need to devote years of really hard work. We have scientists that do that, and the overwhelming majority come to similar conclusions.

You can trust them to be diligent and honest.

Or you can trust Jacob Rees Mogg and Nigel Farage.

This gets to the core of a key modern issue. When Brexit campaigners were telling us to trust them rather than experts, they didn't just mean over Brexit. If we are trained to assume the scientific community is incompetent or nefarious (or, God forbid, Woke) then the worst sort of politicians can tell us to ignore them and believe what we'd like to be true instead.

In 500 years time, historians looking back at this era will judge the likes of Trump and Gove like we judge the Middle Ages clerics who wanted to keep the populace thick as pigshit so they could lap up whatever interpretation of the Bible suited the Church.

[Not Now Kato]

The climate can be a funny thing, look at the weather in Europe circa 1846/7 caused food shortages right across Europe and revolutions in Germany, France, Austro Hungary. One thing is for sure our contribution is minimal compared to China, India and the US,plus Indonesia and the Philippines and many other developing countries, they argue that we had our chance back in the days of the Industrial Revolution and now they are entitled to do the same!  They see it as a justification for their excessive Carbon footprint , well if the British had known about it A hundred plus years ago they would have done something, blaming us for their own polluting ways and using it as an excuse to keep polluting is a bit ‘Tardy’ I’m my humble opinion!

Do you have a source for that assertion?

[TonySoprano]

Thought we’d moved on from global warming to global boiling

Global boiling  .
It's pathetic.

I'm happy knowing I'm living my life without the fear that they are trying to force on us.

[TonySoprano]

For information Greta Thunberg has 2 large dogs www.celebritypets.net/pets/greta-thunberg-pets/

 

She's also vegan so maybe the dogs eat her share.

Wish they'd eat her.

[Branton Red]

This gets to the core of a key modern issue. When Brexit campaigners were telling us to trust them rather than experts, they didn't just mean over Brexit. If we are trained to assume the scientific community is incompetent or nefarious (or, God forbid, Woke) then the worst sort of politicians can tell us to ignore them and believe what we'd like to be true instead.

Does your criticism extend to Remain campaigners (inc the bulk of the Labour Party) who en masse stood behind the massively exaggerated claims of Brexit economic woe put forward by George Osbourne which were significantly worse than what the bulk of economic experts were predicting and indeed what has actually happened?

Or are the "worst sort of politicians" just the ones you happen to disagree with??

[BillyStubbsTears]

Branton

Read what I wrote.

Can you find a single example of any Remain supporting figure telling us that experts supporting the other side were like the scientists who supported Hitler? Systematic suppression of expert opinion.

Just one?

 

[Branton Red]

That's No and then Yes then.

Yes I read what you wrote.

You were (correctly) accusing Leave campaigners of playing up to people's hopes by critiquing without merit the predictions of economic experts.

Remain campaigners played up to people's fears (esp after the impact of the '08 crash) by claiming economic Armageddon and ignoring without merit the much, much milder predictions of economic experts.

What's the difference?

How is ignoring expert opinion and instead championing a false narrative to scare the population into voting for what you want not suppression of expert opinion?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Branton.

You are comparing one side which got the core economic argument right (we HAVE had a serious and long term economic hit) and dressed that up in political spin, with the other side who got the core economic argument wrong and literally compared economists who took them to task with Hitler enablers.

You might also note that many of the Leave politicians who decried economic expertise in 2016 are the same ones questioning climate change experts now.

Do you see the method?

PS: You never did answer me on this one. Do you still think that EU officials seriously boasted about making the UK a colony?

[scawsby steve]

Thanks sproggy.
I've given it a like along with GG.

Hound? GG?

You'll have to explain that one.

Also, Hound asked you to name the racists you insist are on this forum. You haven't replied yet.

[Branton Red]

Branton.

You are comparing one side which got the core economic argument right (we HAVE had a serious and long term economic hit) and dressed that up in political spin, with the other side who got the core economic argument wrong
=

Billy

Here's what Osborne claimed www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564 and the Remain campaign rowed behind en masse.

It bears absolutely no comparison to what economic experts were predicting or what has actually happened.

We haven't had a recession (Covid apart) never mind a year long recession as Remain warned. 500k-800k jobs haven't been lost - unemployment has fallen. House prices haven't fallen 10-18% - they've risen. I could go on.

Remain did not get the core argument right. They've been proven completely wrong. But they never attempted to get the economics right just to scare people into voting for what they wanted. By ignoring totally and thereby undermining what the experts were saying - yes just like Leave campaigners did.

To dress that up as merely "political spin" is frankly pathetic.

Your definition of "long-term" only 7 years after the referendum and 2.5 years since leaving the SM is as ridiculous as the SNP on "once in a generation".

No sensible, sober analysis of comparative economic performance could possibly conclude there has been a "serious" economic hit. From the IMF: -

GDP growth 2016-2022: UK 8%; France 8%; Germany 8%; Italy 5%

GDP growth 2016-2028 (inc IMF estimates): UK 18%; France 18%; Germany 16%; Italy 12%

www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

[Nudga]

Thanks sproggy.
I've given it a like along with GG.

Hound? GG?

You'll have to explain that one.

Also, Hound asked you to name the racists you insist are on this forum. You haven't replied yet.

Somebody keeps implying that I am right wing, which to me in old money means being racist.
I am not racist, I am not right leaning or left leaning, I am not aligned with any political party at all.

[Sprotyrover]

The climate can be a funny thing, look at the weather in Europe circa 1846/7 caused food shortages right across Europe and revolutions in Germany, France, Austro Hungary. One thing is for sure our contribution is minimal compared to China, India and the US,plus Indonesia and the Philippines and many other developing countries, they argue that we had our chance back in the days of the Industrial Revolution and now they are entitled to do the same!  They see it as a justification for their excessive Carbon footprint , well if the British had known about it A hundred plus years ago they would have done something, blaming us for their own polluting ways and using it as an excuse to keep polluting is a bit ‘Tardy’ I’m my humble opinion!

Do you have a source for that assertion?

Here you go ,one of many similar https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj3iqbxzLmAAxXEQUEAHThpAHMQFnoECDgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brookings.edu%2Farticles%2Fit-is-unfair-to-push-poor-countries-to-reach-zero-carbon-emissions-too-early%2F&usg=AOvVaw2znNHzKzGp5m_8YXYTNOGr&opi=89978449

[belton rover]

Thanks sproggy.
I've given it a like along with GG.

Hound? GG?

You'll have to explain that one.

Also, Hound asked you to name the racists you insist are on this forum. You haven't replied yet.

Somebody keeps implying that I am right wing, which to me in old money means being racist.
I am not racist, I am not right leaning or left leaning, I am not aligned with any political party at all.

It’s a very common misconception on here that if you are not a staunch left winger, then you must be a staunch right winger.

[wilts rover]

Thanks sproggy.
I've given it a like along with GG.

Hound? GG?

You'll have to explain that one.

Also, Hound asked you to name the racists you insist are on this forum. You haven't replied yet.

Somebody keeps implying that I am right wing, which to me in old money means being racist.
I am not racist, I am not right leaning or left leaning, I am not aligned with any political party at all.

I think after 4 1/2k posts Nudga, if someone hasn't yet worked out that you are completely unique and away in a world of your own - then they can't have been a member here for very long!

I have seen maybe a couple of racist posts over the years that were clamped on pretty quick by the mods. Certainly nobody posting in this thread (under the user names they have now).

[wilts rover]

Interesting policy change by Sunak going against Johnson's green initiatives and the promises the Tories made after COP 26. I wonder why that is?

Ahh - Rishi Sunak's family's business Infosys boasts of its partnership with "two of the top five integrated oil and gas companies, three of the top four oilfield services providers, and five of the top 10 upstream enterprises across the oil and gas landscape.”

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1686044884782731264

Follow the money. Which the British taxpapyer will be forking out in subsidies to overseas tax dodgers...

[Filo]

The fact is, UK oil is sold on the international market and then we’ll buy it back, the only people that benefit are the Oil Companies and their shareholders