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[Iberian Red]

Astonishing that The Speaker didn't call Abbott to speak at PMQs.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

Exactly. Why should the country want to hear what the person who a major Tory donor called for 'to be shot' thinks about the Prime Minister's response to that donor calling for her 'to be shot'?

British values eh.

This country should not be dictated to by hurt feelings

Hurt feelings?
It really does sound like you are defending the abhorrent statement by one of the top donors to the party in government.
You've created a new thread more or less doing exactly that.
I'm so glad I don't live in your little world.

[MachoMadness]

I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search  and found this:

Why was Abbott suspended?

Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.

#allthesame?

Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.

Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search  and found this:

Why was Abbott suspended?

Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.

#allthesame?

Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.

Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!

She didn't say they "had never been subjected to racism". But what she did say was stupid for a politician to say, especially one who held a senior position in the party when it was accused of anti-Semitism.

[scawsby steve]

OK, help me out here, guys, because I'm a bit uninformed about HOC protocol. I watched PMQs today, and noticed Ms Abbott in the chamber.

I thought she'd had the whip temporarily suspended? To be honest, I felt sorry for her. She looked forlorn, which is totally understandable.

[MachoMadness]

I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search  and found this:

Why was Abbott suspended?

Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.

#allthesame?

Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.

Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!

She didn't say they "had never been subjected to racism". But what she did say was stupid for a politician to say, especially one who held a senior position in the party when it was accused of anti-Semitism.

Won't find me disagreeing with you on that. It was deeply stupid and wrong.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS. She's had the Labour whip withdrawn. She can still attend the Commons, as an Independent.

[drfchound]

I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search  and found this:

Why was Abbott suspended?

Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.

#allthesame?

Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.

Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!

MM, I can’t disagree with much of that but I don’t recall it being debated on this forum.
Had it not been a Labour MP making those remarks then I’m sure it would have been worthy of half a dozen pages of comments.
There are lots of double standards on here.

[MachoMadness]

Not sure I agree Diane Abbott of all people gets ignored on here. Every other post seemed to be about her a few years back. I remember a pages long thread about a fake photo of her with her shoes on the wrong feet. It will have been mentioned when she got suspended, maybe not a pages long dedicated thread as you say but then again, she said something stupid and got immediately punished so there's not much left to discuss.

[Iberian Red]

I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search  and found this:

Why was Abbott suspended?

Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.

#allthesame?

Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.

Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!

MM, I can’t disagree with much of that but I don’t recall it being debated on this forum.
Had it not been a Labour MP making those remarks then I’m sure it would have been worthy of half a dozen pages of comments.
There are lots of double standards on here.

Really?
You have a terrible memory as you posted on this issue.
Also worth noting you searched to post about her,maybe to deflect again?
What two things is it about Diane Abbot you don't like?

[drfchound]

I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search  and found this:

Why was Abbott suspended?

Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.

#allthesame?

Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.

Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!

MM, I can’t disagree with much of that but I don’t recall it being debated on this forum.
Had it not been a Labour MP making those remarks then I’m sure it would have been worthy of half a dozen pages of comments.
There are lots of double standards on here.

Really?
You have a terrible memory as you posted on this issue.
Also worth noting you searched to post about her,maybe to deflect again?
What two things is it about Diane Abbot you don't like?

Her politics and her inability to calculate numbers properly.
And of course I searched, I said so in my post, because I wondered why she had been suspended.

[Iberian Red]

Ah,obviously it's those two things

[drfchound]

Ah,obviously it's those two things

Yep.

[Iberian Red]

Of course it is

[drfchound]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

[Iberian Red]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

Believe me,it's not a suggestion.

[drfchound]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

Believe me,it's not a suggestion.

But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.

[Iberian Red]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

Believe me,it's not a suggestion.

But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.

If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little

[drfchound]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

Believe me,it's not a suggestion.

But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.

If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little

You never explain yourself properly.
Always innuendo and deflection.
I have no idea what you are getting at.
Just spell it out or go away.

[Iberian Red]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

Believe me,it's not a suggestion.

But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.

If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little

You never explain yourself properly.
Always innuendo and deflection.
I have no idea what you are getting at.
Just spell it out or go away.

Even I didn't credit you with being that simple.
You want it spelling out?
B for Brazil, I for Italy, G for Greece, O for Oslo,T for t**t.
Have I spelt it out enough for you to het your head around?

[Jonathan]

People will often come up with reasons to dislike Diane Abbott, but her constituents have continued to vote for her in numbers. Her primary role as a Member of Parliament is to represent her constituents and it’s notable that, for all the criticism they receive, the likes of her and Jeremy Corbyn are very visible in their local communities and empathetic with it. But obviously others will find her facial expressions, mathematics and sentence construction too much to bear.

[Bentley Bullet]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

[drfchound]

Of course it is

Come on then, what are you suggesting?

Believe me,it's not a suggestion.

But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.

If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little

You never explain yourself properly.
Always innuendo and deflection.
I have no idea what you are getting at.
Just spell it out or go away.

Even I didn't credit you with being that simple.
You want it spelling out?
B for Brazil, I for Italy, G for Greece, O for Oslo,T for t**t.
Have I spelt it out enough for you to het your head around?

You are very strange.

[SydneyRover]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?

Oh and of course she had the whip removed

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?

Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?

Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.

What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.

[Bentley Bullet]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?

Oh and of course she had the whip removed

She should have been kicked out of the party on several occasions, especially a party that preaches so much purity and righteousness.

For the record, I think Frank Hester should have his money returned to him, but I wonder if the pure, and righteous Labour party would do likewise in similar circumstances.

[Bentley Bullet]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?

Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?

Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.

What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.

Still a fake, coming out with fake comments, I see, BST!

[SydneyRover]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?

Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?

Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.

What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.

Still a fake, coming out with fake comments, I see, BST!

still channelling trump I see bb

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's just weird. Why on earth would you join this discussion and NOT just unequivocally condemn Hester's words? Or, if you insist on bothsidesing it, at least give an example of where Abbott had said something equally repugnant?

[Bentley Bullet]

Are you talking to me?

[Filo]

Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!

Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?

Oh and of course she had the whip removed

She should have been kicked out of the party on several occasions, especially a party that preaches so much purity and righteousness.

For the record, I think Frank Hester should have his money returned to him, but I wonder if the pure, and righteous Labour party would do likewise in similar circumstances.

Wonder no more

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-labour-party-return-donation-algebris-ceo-following-harassment-claim-2023-06-09/