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Quote from: albie on May 18, 2024, 09:27:27 pmSo what is your answer to the questions put?1) Do you disagree with the content of the article on Unite, and please explain what is incorrect (with your evidence).2) We await your explanation of the main difference between the economic strategy of Reeves, and the austerity of Osbourne.Trustworthy Keith chats to Beth Rigby on Sky;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1791140438964944896/vid/avc1/720x1280/XcUdzh9zFxce609M.mp4?tag=14BTW, you block cookies under the settings option in your browser.Albie, I watched that on Sky News. Beth Rigby is THE best political interviewer on TV. She lets no-one off the hook, of any political persuasion.The way she took Keith apart was cringeworthy to watch.
So what is your answer to the questions put?1) Do you disagree with the content of the article on Unite, and please explain what is incorrect (with your evidence).2) We await your explanation of the main difference between the economic strategy of Reeves, and the austerity of Osbourne.Trustworthy Keith chats to Beth Rigby on Sky;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1791140438964944896/vid/avc1/720x1280/XcUdzh9zFxce609M.mp4?tag=14BTW, you block cookies under the settings option in your browser.
BST,No, wrong again on all counts.1)I posted what Sharon Graham herself said on X.The same thing was posted on the Unite website;https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2024/may/labour-s-draft-new-deal-for-workers-now-unrecognisable2)Sharon then rewound, 2 days later, after being lobbied by Keith and Co, which she is entitled to do if she has now got cast iron commitments from Labour.Others, including Matt Wrack from the FBU, remain critical.The FT has been the main commentary on this, but is behind a paywall.https://archive.ph/UgZltandhttps://archive.ph/Jo485This has been going on for months;https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/18/unite-union-sharon-graham-labour-party-workers-rights-angela-rayner3)No, it was not ignored.Noboby "launched an attack", just simply pointed out that there is no proof of the commitment going forwards.We have the track record of Keith to refer to, from the horses mouth;https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1623740061316534273/pu/vid/1280x718/A3dhYtG1bjv1uqJL.mp4?tag=12You would have to be very naive to take him seriously, and I hope you are not that!
Quote from: albie on May 18, 2024, 11:44:01 pmBST,No, wrong again on all counts.1)I posted what Sharon Graham herself said on X.The same thing was posted on the Unite website;https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2024/may/labour-s-draft-new-deal-for-workers-now-unrecognisable2)Sharon then rewound, 2 days later, after being lobbied by Keith and Co, which she is entitled to do if she has now got cast iron commitments from Labour.Others, including Matt Wrack from the FBU, remain critical.The FT has been the main commentary on this, but is behind a paywall.https://archive.ph/UgZltandhttps://archive.ph/Jo485This has been going on for months;https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/18/unite-union-sharon-graham-labour-party-workers-rights-angela-rayner3)No, it was not ignored.Noboby "launched an attack", just simply pointed out that there is no proof of the commitment going forwards.We have the track record of Keith to refer to, from the horses mouth;https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1623740061316534273/pu/vid/1280x718/A3dhYtG1bjv1uqJL.mp4?tag=12You would have to be very naive to take him seriously, and I hope you are not that!Very odd that no one mentioned that Guardian article on here before today.
BST,No, wrong again on all counts.1)I posted what Sharon Graham herself said on X.The same thing was posted on the Unite website;https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2024/may/labour-s-draft-new-deal-for-workers-now-unrecognisable2)Sharon then rewound, 2 days later, after being lobbied by Keith and Co, which she is entitled to do if she has now got cast iron commitments from Labour.Others, including Matt Wrack from the FBU, remain critical.The FT has been the main commentary on this, but is behind a paywall.https://archive.ph/UgZltandhttps://archive.ph/Jo485This has been going on for months;https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/18/unite-union-sharon-graham-labour-party-workers-rights-angela-rayner3)No, it was not ignored.Noboby "launched an attack", just simply pointed out that there is no proof of the commitment going forwards.We have the track record of Keith to refer to, from the horses mouth;https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1623740061316534273/pu/vid/1280x718/A3dhYtG1bjv1uqJL.mp4?tag=12You would have to be very naive to take him seriously, and I hope you are not that!
When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.
Quote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.
The Big Issue have produced a summary of the main U-turns under Keith and Co;https://www.bigissue.com/news/politics/keir-starmer-broken-promises-tuition-fees-nationalisation-u-turn/Useful, as it is hard to keep track with so many reversals and dropped promises.
Or why dd any party did not feel the need over the past 200 years or so, how does your mind compute all this, the first party in over 200 years decides to take action and it's them you try to blame for not doing it earlier mister centrist.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 08:34:13 pmOr why dd any party did not feel the need over the past 200 years or so, how does your mind compute all this, the first party in over 200 years decides to take action and it's them you try to blame for not doing it earlier mister centrist.I'm not blaming anyone for anything (but then you would read your own slant into taking a dump)I'm asking why Labour feel the need at this time to raise this option, what's changed from then to now that they feel this would be a vote getter?Did they not think that non-doms should of paid their way then but all of a sudden do now?Is this not just more rehashed bollo*ks from Starmer's think tanks and review groups who just want to punish individuals with some extra cash (unless of course its coming their way)Politics of greed and envy will never carry over into public acceptance. The majority of the electorate are mindful of the requirements of the sick and needy, what they don't want is to be fleeced for political dogma, that never ends well.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations?
Quote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.
Quote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.Let's hope Starmer blah blah blah, where have you been for the previous 14+ years? waiting for Starmer to pop up and blame.It wouldn't be because he has an opportunity to to win would it?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.
Quote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations?
Quote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?
Quote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.
When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.
Quote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.Let's hope Starmer blah blah blah, where have you been for the previous 14+ years? waiting for Starmer to pop up and blame.It wouldn't be because he has an opportunity to to win would it?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.
Whatever happened to politicians who had the stature to become proper statesmen? i can't see any wherever you look.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 21, 2024, 07:21:40 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.Let's hope Starmer blah blah blah, where have you been for the previous 14+ years? waiting for Starmer to pop up and blame.It wouldn't be because he has an opportunity to to win would it?You sound more desperate every day. Are you ill?The trouble with Starmer is that he's letting the tail wag the dog. He's already demonstrated a willingness to cut and chase what his focus groups bring to him and will continue to do so, he's demonstrated zero conviction in anything and is ready and willing to take on failed policy from the present gov, how many times has he already back tracked and u-turned on his "favoured policies"So yes, Starmer will cop for the blame, as the current favourite to become the next PM this bloke needs to convince many more people that he has the minerals to take us all the way. All we hear is that policy will be disclosed closer to an election, is this because the policy will be very much more of the same? so more failure to look forward to.Whatever happened to politicians who had the stature to become proper statesmen? i can't see any wherever you look.
QuoteWhatever happened to politicians who had the stature to become proper statesmen? i can't see any wherever you look.We had one in Gordon Brown. He was ridiculed out of office.Don't blame politicians. A country gets the politicians it deserves. Look back over some of the b*llocks written in here over the past decade to see why we don't deserve better politicians.
Quote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 10:38:34 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 21, 2024, 07:21:40 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.Let's hope Starmer blah blah blah, where have you been for the previous 14+ years? waiting for Starmer to pop up and blame.It wouldn't be because he has an opportunity to to win would it?You sound more desperate every day. Are you ill?The trouble with Starmer is that he's letting the tail wag the dog. He's already demonstrated a willingness to cut and chase what his focus groups bring to him and will continue to do so, he's demonstrated zero conviction in anything and is ready and willing to take on failed policy from the present gov, how many times has he already back tracked and u-turned on his "favoured policies"So yes, Starmer will cop for the blame, as the current favourite to become the next PM this bloke needs to convince many more people that he has the minerals to take us all the way. All we hear is that policy will be disclosed closer to an election, is this because the policy will be very much more of the same? so more failure to look forward to.Whatever happened to politicians who had the stature to become proper statesmen? i can't see any wherever you look.Sick of hearing your nonsense if that's what you mean, starmer, starmer, starmer, weep, cry, sob, 14+ years.So you write about the trouble with starmer that he needs convince more people yet look at the polls, no!!!!!So you write about starmer's policies that you haven't read but they will be more of the same?You are sounding like a mix if tyke, sprot and selby, with a healthy slice if albie.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 21, 2024, 07:21:40 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.Let's hope Starmer blah blah blah, where have you been for the previous 14+ years? waiting for Starmer to pop up and blame.It wouldn't be because he has an opportunity to to win would it?You sound more desperate every day. Are you ill?The trouble with Starmer is that he's letting the tail wag the dog. He's already demonstrated a willingness to cut and chase what his focus groups bring to him and will continue to do so, he's demonstrated zero conviction in anything and is ready and willing to take on failed policy from the present gov, how many times has he already back tracked and u-turned on his "favoured policies"So yes, Starmer will cop for the blame, as the current favourite to become the next PM this bloke needs to convince many more people that he has the minerals to take us all the way. All we hear is that policy will be disclosed closer to an election, is this because the policy will be very much more of the same? so more failure to look forward to.Whatever happened to politicians who had the stature to become proper statesmen? i can't see any wherever you look.
Quote from: danumdon on May 21, 2024, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.Let's hope Starmer blah blah blah, where have you been for the previous 14+ years? waiting for Starmer to pop up and blame.It wouldn't be because he has an opportunity to to win would it?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on May 21, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 20, 2024, 08:15:17 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 20, 2024, 06:34:18 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on May 20, 2024, 06:30:37 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 19, 2024, 09:42:21 pmQuote from: selby on May 19, 2024, 04:00:33 pm When Labour get in the big money will be on a plane to avoid the non dom labour stance. If Doncaster airport is open you might get the chance to wave off millions of pounds as it won't be around long in this country.The tories have nicked that idea from labour selby, you need to keep up.Tories nicking Labour ideas , sounds like an admittance that they are all the same to me .I wonder if the Tories would nick any loosening of the anti trade union laws ?Only you (maybe other othe moaners too) would find a problem with labour's policy of putting an end to non-dom largesse that's been around for 200 years plus tyke.I'll ask again, seen as no one has answered.Can you tell me why Labour in power between 1990 and 2010 did not feel the need to change the non-dom regulations? Quite simple - media exposure/coverage. The simple minded are easily led by the media and politically driven people, (especially politicians), are more than happy to exploit this - irrespective of party DD.Good answer, now why couldn't your pal have said the same.So in effect Starmer is hoping to catch a few floaters by announcing a policy that promises the public coffers some extra cash but in all reality is more likely to be dropped along with a multitude of other "focus group" nonsense.For what he would stand to gain after the expense of administering the scheme it would be worth peanuts.But at lease it would send out the right message to the target group eh.Lets hope for all out sakes Starmer and the delightful Reeves can conjure up some enterprising schemes that empower wealth creators to want to create the wealth that this country desperately needs rather than socialist stodge that will kill it stone dead.We've just had the "party of business" waste years going down the same road, lets hope Starmer has learnt from their lesson.