Braverman offically a liar

[bpoolrover]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

[Glyn_Wigley]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

We used to have to live in a lake!

[tyke1962]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

Homelessness in such numbers is the consequence of a failed government , homelessness has increased by 73% since 2010 .

Even during Thatcher's hatchet job on the industrial working class did you see our towns and city centres contain so many homeless people .

This is a country that has more foodbanks than we have MacDonald's restaurants .

Does personal responsibility come in to it ? , of course it does and there are always going to be people who can't be reached as there are people who simply don't want to work .

Once you start stripping away the support systems like mental health or drug addiction centres or indeed the NHS itself then that is a political choice you've made .

As I said earlier we've had some grim economic times in my lifetime in this country but you never saw this kind of social deprivation that we see today .

[SydneyRover]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

Supporting evidence would be helpful bp, such as official homeless numbers, accommodation/bed numbers and of course information on why people became homeless on the first place.

btw, having a roof over your head and being poor are not mutually exclusive.

[BillyStubbsTears]

She describes being homeless as a "lifestyle choice". A fundamentally evil person, in a just world she'd meet the same end as Mussolini.

Sleeping in a muddy puddle is a lifestyle choice because you didn't choose to sleep in a clean one!

while of course it is not a lifestyle choice for yhe majority it is a choice, out of nearly 90 rough sleepers in blackpool all were offered accommodation or rehab and less than 10 percent accepted, there are many reasons for this of course but over half of the street ones begging have a flat and choose to live on the streets for different reasons

Homelessness in such numbers is the consequence of a failed government , homelessness has increased by 73% since 2010 .

Even during Thatcher's hatchet job on the industrial working class did you see our towns and city centres contain so many homeless people .

This is a country that has more foodbanks than we have MacDonald's restaurants .

Does personal responsibility come in to it ? , of course it does and there are always going to be people who can't be reached as there are people who simply don't want to work .

Once you start stripping away the support systems like mental health or drug addiction centres or indeed the NHS itself then that is a political choice you've made .

As I said earlier we've had some grim economic times in my lifetime in this country but you never saw this kind of social deprivation that we see today .

The Blair Govt set out to end rough sleeping and homelessness in 1999. They'd inherited an epidemic of rough sleeping from 18 years of Tory Govt.

By 2005, they'd got rough sleeping numbers nationwide down to 500.

500. In the entire country.

Think back 18 years. You had to go a long way to find anyone sleeping rough.

Then these Kitsons got back in.

I'm shortly going out for my regular evening walk. I'm going to walk the 6km or so into the centre of Sheffield and back. I'll walk past at least 20 rough sleepers.

Mark this well. This does not have to happen. Blair's Govt proved that. It happens when a Govt doesn't prioritise sorting it. And then you get a ghoul like Braverman feasting on the misery.

[bpoolrover]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

Bpool

You can reduce it to the baseline of very difficult cases.

We KNOW that can be done, because the Blair Govt did it 20 years ago. There's no argument about whether it can be done. The question is, does a Govt WANT to do it?

[bpoolrover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

[SydneyRover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

How's the war on drugs going, if as you say that is the answer?

[bpoolrover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

How's the war on drugs going, if as you say that is the answer?

war on drugs? What do you mean?  Councils will not and rightly so house a current heroin addict unless going into rehab, whats that got to do with war on drugs?

[tyke1962]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

Substance abuse is a consequence of becoming homeless but there are many other reasons too .

Not able to afford the rent and poverty .

Leaving prison or the army without a home to go to .

Women or even men escaping abusive relationships .

16 to 18 year old young people are especially vulnerable if they are kicked out by their parents .

All the above have existed for decades in society the key difference is that since 2010 the safety and support systems have systematically been reduced and that is a political choice .

[SydneyRover]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

How's the war on drugs going, if as you say that is the answer?

war on drugs? What do you mean?  Councils will not and rightly so house a current heroin addict unless going into rehab, whats that got to do with war on drugs?

you tell me

[BillyStubbsTears]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

No. It isn't.

Rough sleeping was almost eliminated during COVID because the Govt prioritised it briefly.

It can be dealt with. It's a question of wanting to. Braverman doesn't want to because it serves her purpose better to villify the homeless and stoke up anger. That's what she does. Because she is a genuinely hateful person.

[tyke1962]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

It's a different world alright , but be under no illusions it was a political choice  that's created it .

[bpoolrover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

No. It isn't.

Rough sleeping was almost eliminated during COVID because the Govt prioritised it briefly.

It can be dealt with. It's a question of wanting to. Braverman doesn't want to because it serves her purpose better to villify the homeless and stoke up anger. That's what she does. Because she is a genuinely hateful person.

was it
?you must not actually get out and about then, and  mussy read the papers or believe everything you read bst

[bpoolrover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

No. It isn't.

Rough sleeping was almost eliminated during COVID because the Govt prioritised it briefly.

It can be dealt with. It's a question of wanting to. Braverman doesn't want to because it serves her purpose better to villify the homeless and stoke up anger. That's what she does. Because she is a genuinely hateful person.

im not saying she is not a hateful person but if you think you are in dreamworld if you think most prople were off the streets

[SydneyRover]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

How's the war on drugs going, if as you say that is the answer?

war on drugs? What do you mean?  Councils will not and rightly so house a current heroin addict unless going into rehab, whats that got to do with war on drugs?

you tell me

bump

[BillyStubbsTears]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

No. It isn't.

Rough sleeping was almost eliminated during COVID because the Govt prioritised it briefly.

It can be dealt with. It's a question of wanting to. Braverman doesn't want to because it serves her purpose better to villify the homeless and stoke up anger. That's what she does. Because she is a genuinely hateful person.

was it
?you must not actually get out and about then, and  mussy read the papers or believe everything you read bst

I go out for a walk pretty much every evening.

There were very, very few people sleeping rough in Sheffield during the lockdowns. Way, way fewer than before or after.

Why do you assume I don't use my own eyes as well as reading detailed studies by professionals?

[tyke1962]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

No. It isn't.

Rough sleeping was almost eliminated during COVID because the Govt prioritised it briefly.

It can be dealt with. It's a question of wanting to. Braverman doesn't want to because it serves her purpose better to villify the homeless and stoke up anger. That's what she does. Because she is a genuinely hateful person.

was it
?you must not actually get out and about then, and  mussy read the papers or believe everything you read bst

Your own town is the victim of a failed government , I'd even say failed governments .

The last time I was there was two years ago for our away game at Blackpool .

I was shocked at what I saw , I think we'd all agree Blackpool was always edgy but today it's in a shocking state .

You've got a huge homeless community but the fault lies with the government's that have failed the town of Blackpool .

[turnbull for england]

Have you seen the met police commissioner comments when asked what a " hate march " is ?  He says you'll have to ask the home secretary as she has seemingly busy joined up two words from the dictionary and I don't know...

[drfchound]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

How's the war on drugs going, if as you say that is the answer?

war on drugs? What do you mean?  Councils will not and rightly so house a current heroin addict unless going into rehab, whats that got to do with war on drugs?

you tell me

bump

Once again Syd, you are asked a question but won’t answer and instead, ask another question yourself.

[bpoolrover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

No. It isn't.

Rough sleeping was almost eliminated during COVID because the Govt prioritised it briefly.

It can be dealt with. It's a question of wanting to. Braverman doesn't want to because it serves her purpose better to villify the homeless and stoke up anger. That's what she does. Because she is a genuinely hateful person.

was it
?you must not actually get out and about then, and  mussy read the papers or believe everything you read bst

Your own town is the victim of a failed government , I'd even say failed governments .

The last time I was there was two years ago for our away game at Blackpool .

I was shocked at what I saw , I think we'd all agree Blackpool was always edgy but today it's in a shocking state .

You've got a huge homeless community but the fault lies with the government's that have failed the town of Blackpool .

maybe so, but how do you change the homelesnes, anyone not on herion has been offered accommodation anyone on it has been offered rehab, without forcibly taking them off the street you cant do much

[Glyn_Wigley]

First thing I'd do is make it government policy that private builders are only given planning permission for their big profit semi-detached estates if they also build a set of low-cost terraced houses on a same-sized plot of land. And build the terraces first so they can't 'forget' about them after they build the semis.

[i_ateallthepies]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

I see what you're doing with that comment, Blackpool.  Give Braverman a pass if she was to simply redefine what it means to be classed as homeless in order to produce a reduction in the numbers.  True-blue Tory or what???

[Bristol Red Rover]

You cant end rough sleeping unless you forcibly take herion uses off the street, you camt house herion uses unless they agree to rehab so what do you propose?

Substance abuse is a consequence of becoming homeless but there are many other reasons too .

Not able to afford the rent and poverty .

Leaving prison or the army without a home to go to .

Women or even men escaping abusive relationships .

16 to 18 year old young people are especially vulnerable if they are kicked out by their parents .

All the above have existed for decades in society the key difference is that since 2010 the safety and support systems have systematically been reduced and that is a political choice .

I disagree with some of that. Homelessness is often a consequence of substance abuse, rarely the other way around. Substance abuse is mostly a consequence of  physical and sexual abuse, broken screwed up family situations, neglect. This then usually boils down to poverty. A society where some take the riches and some are treated as chattle - capitalism, neo liberalism, free markets, conservatism, nationalism - these are the causes of substance abuse. Labour won't fix this even with someone more humanitarian than Starmer, but the tories with the likes of Braverman are simply murderous - anyone voting for a tory these days is literally sticking needles into the arms of children. Shameful.

[bpoolrover]

We will see, its a different world now to then, i hope so much they will reduce not just the numbers that are classed as homeless but the prople that beg, but time will tell

I see what you're doing with that comment, Blackpool.  Give Braverman a pass if she was to simply redefine what it means to be classed as homeless in order to produce a reduction in the numbers.  True-blue Tory or what???

not at all i will vote labour at the next election, unless something radically changes homelessness will not change permanently whatever government is in charge thou

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

Once again, 1999-2010 and 2020-21 show that it CAN  be greatly reduced if politicians are prepared to prioritise it.

[bpoolrover]

Bpool.

Once again, 1999-2010 and 2020-21 show that it CAN  be greatly reduced if politicians are prepared to prioritise it.

it cam be reduced in the short term yes it needs to be done long term and not just in made up stats and in your preferred newspaper

[bpoolrover]

During covid they housed many homeless in travel lodges ect, that obviously cannot be a long term fix, you cannot for obvious reasons put a heroin addict amywhere near a recovering addict, same with alcohol, where do you propose to house everyone?

[SydneyRover]

Bpool.

Once again, 1999-2010 and 2020-21 show that it CAN  be greatly reduced if politicians are prepared to prioritise it.

it cam be reduced in the short term yes it needs to be done long term and not just in made up stats and in your preferred newspaper

Ah, the magic wand bit, just wave it and hey presto it's fixed forever, but as bst said 'it got fixed' but who let it lapse?