Sunak is a liar

[Donnywolf]

It’s going to be alright though.
Labour are guaranteed to win the GE and put everything in place for a brighter future.
I for one am really looking forward to it.

I'm guessing that any Govt that follows the Tories will find a note saying " no money left this time either"

Personally I hope Labour are largest Party but need the Lib Dems to have a Majority

As part of the agreement we get a Ref on PR of some kind as it surely has to be better than extremism of any kind  and hopefully the 13 million people who don't vote would think that their vote would actually count for something.

[Draytonian III]

The plan for A1 widening in Northumberland was proposed in Oct 2021 and has been put back 4 times now until june 2024  10 years after Osborne gave the go ahead.
New development my arse Rich-ie

Are they now going to widen the A1 all the way down ? I own a piece of land that borders it, which was bought as an investment and I don’t do anything with, I was thinking of maybe selling it but if they are I’ll hold onto it a bit longer

[ravenrover]

I wouldn't hold your breath

[Sprotyrover]

Don't vote Tory then, if that's what you believe. It shouldn't be difficult, after all, They'll soon be out of power and unable to prove you right anyway.

Time for you now to look forward to a whole new wonderful world of honesty, prosperity and fairness under the guidance of Keir Starmer!

but you're not upset about it aye?

Not enough to make me want to f**k off and live on the other side of the world.

as I said you're not upset aye?

I seem to recall a scruffy, gobby programs seller going up to the back of the South stand , spouting off about , being done with this country and ferking off to OZ for a better life, circa 2008?

[ravenrover]

Here's a thought, I wonder how much, if any, the EU put into building HS2?

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't vote Tory then, if that's what you believe. It shouldn't be difficult, after all, They'll soon be out of power and unable to prove you right anyway.

Time for you now to look forward to a whole new wonderful world of honesty, prosperity and fairness under the guidance of Keir Starmer!

but you're not upset about it aye?

Not enough to make me want to f**k off and live on the other side of the world.

as I said you're not upset aye?

I seem to recall a scruffy, gobby programs seller going up to the back of the South stand , spouting off about , being done with this country and ferking off to OZ for a better life, circa 2008?

What, after 11 years of Labour control?

[River Don]

A new local station for us at Haxby on the York/Scarboro line has been in the pipeline for many years. All the funding was supposed to be in place a couple of years ago but the project continued to be delayed for one reason or another.

Now all of a sudden, it's a new Network North project!

Network North? It's not particularly Northern and it doesn't connect.

[Bentley Bullet]

What is it then, Network South? It's more North than Manchester.

[River Don]

What is it then, Network South? It's more North than Manchester.

Is Cambridge in the North, or Portsmouth? Or Plymouth?

All receiving funding for Network North!

[Bentley Bullet]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

[River Don]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

I refer you to the title of this thread.

What it is, is reheated pizza with an egg on top. A lot are existing projects either already funded and in progress, catching up on the maintainance of neglected infrastructure or revived previously cancelled projects.

The funding might total 36bn but it is not all new funding by any stretch. They cancelled HS2 to save money, not to spend it on new things.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bigger issue RD. There's no strategy to this.

Building a station in Haxby or in Orgreave isn't part of a strategy aimed at kick starting the economy of the North.

Those are isolated little capabilities. The sort that a competent Government should be assessing and supporting or not on a regular basis.

Putting them forward as part of a strategy enabled by the binning of HS2 is, frankly, insulting folks' intelligence.

Although doubtless there'll be the usual suspects on here volunteering to have their intelligence insulted.

[Bentley Bullet]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

I refer you to the title of this thread.

What it is, is reheated pizza with an egg on top. A lot are existing projects either already funded and in progress, catching up on the maintainance of neglected infrastructure or revived previously cancelled projects.

The funding might total 36bn but it is not all new funding by any stretch. They cancelled HS2 to save money, not to spend it on new things.

Of course, they cancelled HS2 to save money. the intention is to spend that saved money on better things.

The only thing wrong with the project in the eyes of some of the lefties is that it's come from Sunak, and had it come from Starmer it would have been marvellous.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Given the number of bell ends in this Govt, you'd think they'd know one Hampton from another...

https://twitter.com/LouHaigh/status/1709941491370778722

[ravenrover]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

I'm sure I read somewhere that no budget had been agreed for the Birminham to Manchedter leg. So where is the money for all his new "schemes" coming from?
Also is this purely his own decision or is it agreed with his Cabinet snd should it not have gone to Parliament to ratify the decision.?
Is Sunak becoming a dictator now?

[River Don]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

I refer you to the title of this thread.

What it is, is reheated pizza with an egg on top. A lot are existing projects either already funded and in progress, catching up on the maintainance of neglected infrastructure or revived previously cancelled projects.

The funding might total 36bn but it is not all new funding by any stretch. They cancelled HS2 to save money, not to spend it on new things.

Of course, they cancelled HS2 to save money. the intention is to spend that saved money on better things.

The only thing wrong with the project in the eyes of some of the lefties is that it's come from Sunak, and had it come from Starmer it would have been marvellous.

My point is it's creative accounting, slight of hand. Originally we were getting a big fat steak, HS2 and various stations, road and rail improvements and so on.

HS2 went from being a steak to a chicken to an egg. A very expensive egg.

Now apparently for the same investment as Hs2 and various other prprojects, we just get the various projects and a fraction of HS2. An egg on reheated pizza.

Oh and it's an old pizza we have to share now.

Where as down in London, they continue to be regularly served up steak. Even HS2 remains a beef burger for London.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is turning into a train crash.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1709914868206223699

It's pretty clear what has happened.

1) Someone got photo'd with a document saying HS2 was unter review.

2) The topic has dominated politics for a fortnight.

3) Sunak refusing to discuss it made him look weak.

4) So a rushed decision had to be made.

5) That required a semblance of strategic support, so the DfT hurriedly put together a doggy bag of all the things that might be done, are being done or recently have been done to the transport system.

6) That gets done so hurriedly, there's no time to review it. So you present it in Manchester with a map showing Manchester next door to Blackpool and Hull 20 miles north of the Humber.

7) Then everything starts to unravel as you realise the document is shot through with errors and stuff that there is no intention of funding.

Get the useless f**kers out.

[wilts rover]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

Sunak also said (as chancellor) that all the travel projects announced under Johnson (which is most of what he announced yesterday) were already funded AS WELL AS HS2.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/04/hs2-rishi-sunaks-36bn-in-transport-funding-is-it-new-or-just-repackaged

Once again we refer you to the title of this thread.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Another one from the oh-so carefully prepared documents that the DfT has produced to say where the money is going.

"a £1 billion roads package in the North could fund schemes like the A1-A19 Hickleton Bypass in Doncaster."

That's going to be some A1-A19 link road if it has to by-pass Hickleton.

[danumdon]

The trouble is though all this deny and conflate from this utter useless government has got poor old Starmer in such a tizz the bloke dare not utter anything for the threat of it being regurgitated back at his door sometime in the future.

Is this really the type of weak willed pussy footing around leadership the country needs after this complete cluster f*ck of a government?

Where's this fellas gonads, he seems to be missing a pair.

[Sprotyrover]

Don't vote Tory then, if that's what you believe. It shouldn't be difficult, after all, They'll soon be out of power and unable to prove you right anyway.

Time for you now to look forward to a whole new wonderful world of honesty, prosperity and fairness under the guidance of Keir Starmer!

but you're not upset about it aye?

Not enough to make me want to f**k off and live on the other side of the world.

as I said you're not upset aye?

I seem to recall a scruffy, gobby programs seller going up to the back of the South stand , spouting off about , being done with this country and ferking off to OZ for a better life, circa 2008?

What, after 11 years of Labour control?

Yup ! And now he has the temerity to criticise his ex Country, bet the Aussies love him!

[wilts rover]

Kay Burley (on the revalation that Sunak made the video announcing the scrapping of HS2 in Downing Street - thus before conference in Manchester that began on Sunday) - They told us all week that no decision had been made on HS2 & it was made... they totally lied to me... they lied to my face.

Mhari Aurora - By being disingenuous with us, it looks like they've been disingenuous with the public as well.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1709829067124388029

[Sprotyrover]

Why are members of this forum moaning about the loss of a ridiculously expensive waste of tax payers money that if it was completed would make this side of the Pennines worse off?
I didn’t think much to the Eastern Leg that was going to have no bearing whatsoever on us in Doncaster!
Why is COPOUT criticising the Tori’s he should be thanking them for schemes which will directly benefit our region!
It’s like listening to kids who have just lost a game of Marbles.

[drfchound]

The trouble is though all this deny and conflate from this utter useless government has got poor old Starmer in such a tizz the bloke dare not utter anything for the threat of it being regurgitated back at his door sometime in the future.

Is this really the type of weal willed pussy footing around leadership the country needs after this complete cluster f*ck of a government?

Where's this fellas gonads, he seems to be missing a pair.

As someone wrote on here a few days ago, the internet lays everyone open to ridicule and criticism from anyone who can read.
Forever, politicians have lied their way through their careers and in the past very few people would have known what was true or otherwise.
These days it seems that the general public know more about how to run the country than the people who actually do the job.
Fear not though, the next PM (Starmer) will listen to the experts on this forum and put right all the wrongdoings of the current government.
I am really looking forward to the improvements and much better way of life.
I just hope he doesn’t take any advice on how to keep the pensioners under the cosh.

[River Don]

Why are members of this forum moaning about the loss of a ridiculously expensive waste of tax payers money that if it was completed would make this side of the Pennines worse off?
I didn’t think much to the Eastern Leg that was going to have no bearing whatsoever on us in Doncaster!
Why is COPOUT criticising the Tori’s he should be thanking them for schemes which will directly benefit our region!
It’s like listening to kids who have just lost a game of Marbles.

HS2 in its original form would have benefitted Doncaster. Donny would still have had its fast link to London perhaps not as regular but there would be a trade off. Instead it would have had more frequent and more reliable local rail services. Doncaster would have benefited from much more freight moving through its rail system. It would have benefitted business like Amazon. Donny has always been a rail hub and that would have been enhanced.

[drfchound]

Why are members of this forum moaning about the loss of a ridiculously expensive waste of tax payers money that if it was completed would make this side of the Pennines worse off?
I didn’t think much to the Eastern Leg that was going to have no bearing whatsoever on us in Doncaster!
Why is COPOUT criticising the Tori’s he should be thanking them for schemes which will directly benefit our region!
It’s like listening to kids who have just lost a game of Marbles.

HS2 in its original form would have benefitted Doncaster. Donny would still have had its fast link to London perhaps not as regular but their would be a trade off. Instead it would have had more frequent and more reliable local rail services. Doncaster would have benefited from much more freight moving through its rail system. It would have benefitted business like Amazon. Donny has always been a rail hub and that would have been enhanced.

But how long would that have taken to achieve?
I keep hearing that it would have been another twenty years before HS2 got to Manchester so how much longer than that would it have added before the Eastern leg was finished.

[River Don]

Why are members of this forum moaning about the loss of a ridiculously expensive waste of tax payers money that if it was completed would make this side of the Pennines worse off?
I didn’t think much to the Eastern Leg that was going to have no bearing whatsoever on us in Doncaster!
Why is COPOUT criticising the Tori’s he should be thanking them for schemes which will directly benefit our region!
It’s like listening to kids who have just lost a game of Marbles.

HS2 in its original form would have benefitted Doncaster. Donny would still have had its fast link to London perhaps not as regular but their would be a trade off. Instead it would have had more frequent and more reliable local rail services. Doncaster would have benefited from much more freight moving through its rail system. It would have benefitted business like Amazon. Donny has always been a rail hub and that would have been enhanced.

But how long would that have taken to achieve?
I keep hearing that it would have been another twenty years before HS2 got to Manchester so how much longer than that would it have added before the Eastern leg was finished.

It's better to be moving forward than stagnating or more likely declining.

[wilts rover]

Sunak said “every single penny” saved by scrapping the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 leg will be reinvested “in hundreds of new transport projects in the North and the Midlands and across the country”.

After just 24 hours, the government has dropped its commitment to reopen the Leamside Line. It was included yesterday in the initial Network North announcements, now it’s gone.

Roads minister Richard Holden tells Newcastle Chronicle, Govt is now just ‘committed to looking into it’.

https://twitter.com/danhollandnews/status/1709908649177461048

[wilts rover]

Why are members of this forum moaning about the loss of a ridiculously expensive waste of tax payers money that if it was completed would make this side of the Pennines worse off?
I didn’t think much to the Eastern Leg that was going to have no bearing whatsoever on us in Doncaster!
Why is COPOUT criticising the Tori’s he should be thanking them for schemes which will directly benefit our region!
It’s like listening to kids who have just lost a game of Marbles.

As explained above it was a waste of money to start with. Now it is an even bigger waste of money to scrap as it has been started.

Worse it also affects global financial confidence and infrastructure investment in the UK. What firm is now going to invest £billions on the expectation something is going ahead - to find it can be scrapped halfway through.

[River Don]

Why are members of this forum moaning about the loss of a ridiculously expensive waste of tax payers money that if it was completed would make this side of the Pennines worse off?
I didn’t think much to the Eastern Leg that was going to have no bearing whatsoever on us in Doncaster!
Why is COPOUT criticising the Tori’s he should be thanking them for schemes which will directly benefit our region!
It’s like listening to kids who have just lost a game of Marbles.

As explained above it was a waste of money to start with. Now it is an even bigger waste of money to scrap as it has been started.

Worse it also affects global financial confidence and infrastructure investment in the UK. What firm is now going to invest £billions on the expectation something is going ahead - to find it can be scrapped halfway through.

What business will invest in regions of the country the government has given up on? It's a catastrophe.