Israel

[wilts rover]

Blown up a hospital run by the Baptist Church, following an attack on a school.

Netanyahu is a psychopath, and Biden now needs to take him out.
The Israeli government are completely insane, and should be treated as such.

Reports on SM seems to point the finger at a Hamas rocket that misfired, bit of a big own goal if true

Really? I wonder who may be taken in by those type of 'reports'?

You will have seen the images of the damage caused by the Hamas rockets. All of the thousands of them put together wouldn't have caused the same amout of damage coming out from that hospital.

Curious it happened whilst the Israeli Air Force were carrying out a bombing raid at the same time too.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wilts.

You're talking as though the Palestinian leadership had no responsibility for the background to the Second Intifada.

That's my point. Placing all the blame in one direction is guaranteed to prolong the problem.

[glosterred]

Blown up a hospital run by the Baptist Church, following an attack on a school.

Netanyahu is a psychopath, and Biden now needs to take him out.
The Israeli government are completely insane, and should be treated as such.

Reports on SM seems to point the finger at a Hamas rocket that misfired, bit of a big own goal if true

Really? I wonder who may be taken in by those type of 'reports'?

You will have seen the images of the damage caused by the Hamas rockets. All of the thousands of them put together wouldn't have caused the same amout of damage coming out from that hospital.

Curious it happened whilst the Israeli Air Force were carrying out a bombing raid at the same time too.

Here’s one of the reports that says that the misfired rocket hit a store of rockets stored at the hospital

[River Don]

Uh oh, at least 500 killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza hospital... Terrible.

[glosterred]

Uh oh, at least 500 killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza hospital... Terrible.

Is that actually true?

[River Don]

Uh oh, at least 500 killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza hospital... Terrible.

Is that actually true?

Who knows? It's the top story of the Daily Mail.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It would be something for them to manage to accidentally kill 500 of their own by misfiring rocket when they struggle to even get close to anything attacking Israel. Hard to know what's true but if Russia said that in Ukraine we'd laugh at them being so ridiculous....

[drfchound]

Uh oh, at least 500 killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza hospital... Terrible.

Is that actually true?

Who knows? It's the top story of the Daily Mail.

Yeah but who believes what the Mail writes.

[River Don]

Uh oh, at least 500 killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza hospital... Terrible.

Is that actually true?

Who knows? It's the top story of the Daily Mail.

Yeah but who believes what the Mail writes.

Seems to be reported more widely now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is very, very difficult to kill 500 people with a single air-delivered conventional weapon.

Only one, maybe two terrorist bombings on the ground have ever in history killed as many as half that number, and the biggest attacks of that sort are frequently much larger in size than air-delivered munitions and deliberately placed to cause maximum damage.

Three possibilities.

1) There's gross exaggeration going on

2) Israel used multiple large weapons in the attack.

3) There was a munitions store hit by an attack that produced a very large explosion.

It's utterly horrific, whatever the truth of the matter.

[BillyStubbsTears]

One thing is certain. Biden is going to be in a very different position after this attack. Netanyahu has previous in showing disdain for Democrat Presidents. He ordered a strike against Palestinians as Obama was visiting Israel years ago. But this is a different magnitude. If Israel has targeted a hospital, just as Biden is about to visit, that is going to radically change the terms of Western support for them.

[MachoMadness]

Unconscionable. Given the full backing of most politicians in the West. I'm almost at a loss for words.

How many people will be radicalised against the west after watching this?

[BobG]

I find myself wondering if Israel has embarked on the path of genocide....

BobG

[GazLaz]

Fairly obvious the area was being used as a munition store and targeted by Isreal.

[Not Now Kato]

This, from 2009, is well worth 5 minutes of watching. If only people listened/acted at the time.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWe8gRolEJk

[Sprotyrover]

Last night I came across a video of them loading and launching their Rockets, simple stuff made from stolen Water piping they load them individually into a single tubes stand alone Launcher which in on a frame resembling portable Baseket ball nets the rockets have an artillery shell type detonator which a crew member has to twist several times to arm it, same a a shell they group several a few yards apart in a diamond formation and then fire them off together, a recipe for disaster also the reloads are all close at hand to facilitate a high firing rate, a true recipe for disaster

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is very, very difficult to kill 500 people with a single air-delivered conventional weapon.

Only one, maybe two terrorist bombings on the ground have ever in history killed as many as half that number, and the biggest attacks of that sort are frequently much larger in size than air-delivered munitions and deliberately placed to cause maximum damage.

Three possibilities.

1) There's gross exaggeration going on

2) Israel used multiple large weapons in the attack.

3) There was a munitions store hit by an attack that produced a very large explosion.

It's utterly horrific, whatever the truth of the matter.

As I was saying. It just doesn't stack up that  500 people could be killed from a single air drop munition.

And now the preliminary data from the site is emerging, it looks like a fuel explosion (i.e. rocket propellant) rather than a high explosive warhead.

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678

This is horrific. But it requires open and honest approaches to the truth rather than an insistence that it's an Israeli deliberate attack.

[ravenrover]

Very detailed press conference from Israel explaining how it wasn't them. Doubt we'll ever know the truth unless we get some satellite footage.

[DRFC_AjA]

Killing their own people without a care, then trying to use it as propaganda to blame Isreal. what a peaceful bunch/religion

[albie]

It is always the case that when a humanitarian outrage like the hospital bombing takes place, both sides look to blame the other.
Israel has form here, and I would expect Hamas to do the same.....muddy the waters!

The background is what is the nature of terrorism, and understand that states practice it as well as resistance militants.
https://youtu.be/qMpMDzMOjQ0

It is normalised when it is a day to day fact of occupation, part of a long term plan for ethnic cleansing.
Israel wants to squeeze the Gaza enclave down to nothing, and colonise the land with armed settlers.

[Sprotyrover]

It is very, very difficult to kill 500 people with a single air-delivered conventional weapon.

Only one, maybe two terrorist bombings on the ground have ever in history killed as many as half that number, and the biggest attacks of that sort are frequently much larger in size than air-delivered munitions and deliberately placed to cause maximum damage.

Three possibilities.

1) There's gross exaggeration going on

2) Israel used multiple large weapons in the attack.

3) There was a munitions store hit by an attack that produced a very large explosion.

It's utterly horrific, whatever the truth of the matter.

As I was saying. It just doesn't stack up that  500 people could be killed from a single air drop munition.

And now the preliminary data from the site is emerging, it looks like a fuel explosion (i.e. rocket propellant) rather than a high explosive warhead.

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678

This is horrific. But it requires open and honest approaches to the truth rather than an insistence that it's an Israeli deliberate attack.

BBC shows an Al Jazeera Clip of a rocket being ascending fro I assume Gaza and then exploding mid air seconds later a fire ball erupts immediately below it the buildings engulfed I assume where the Hospital.

[drfchound]

It is very, very difficult to kill 500 people with a single air-delivered conventional weapon.

Only one, maybe two terrorist bombings on the ground have ever in history killed as many as half that number, and the biggest attacks of that sort are frequently much larger in size than air-delivered munitions and deliberately placed to cause maximum damage.

Three possibilities.

1) There's gross exaggeration going on

2) Israel used multiple large weapons in the attack.

3) There was a munitions store hit by an attack that produced a very large explosion.

It's utterly horrific, whatever the truth of the matter.

As I was saying. It just doesn't stack up that  500 people could be killed from a single air drop munition.

And now the preliminary data from the site is emerging, it looks like a fuel explosion (i.e. rocket propellant) rather than a high explosive warhead.

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678

This is horrific. But it requires open and honest approaches to the truth rather than an insistence that it's an Israeli deliberate attack.

Are you saying that you expect a terrorist organisation to tell the truth about this.
They are bound to try to blame someone else.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Very detailed press conference from Israel explaining how it wasn't them. Doubt we'll ever know the truth unless we get some satellite footage.

Have a look at that Twitter link I posted. There's aerial footage showing very little cratering or blast damage to cars around the epicentre.

That strongly suggests it wasn't a large high explosive warhead (and it would have had to be a VERY large one to kill 500 people.

Preliminary evidence strongly suggests a large fuel explosion and fire - fits with it being a malfunctioning long range Hamas missile failing and crashing shortly after launch.

It's an utter tragedy for the victims. And maybe a lesson for those who knee-jerk accused Israeli forces of a deliberate atrocity.

[Sprotyrover]

Very detailed press conference from Israel explaining how it wasn't them. Doubt we'll ever know the truth unless we get some satellite footage.

Have a look at that Twitter link I posted. There's aerial footage showing very little cratering or blast damage to cars around the epicentre.

That strongly suggests it wasn't a large high explosive warhead (and it would have had to be a VERY large one to kill 500 people.

Preliminary evidence strongly suggests a large fuel explosion and fire - fits with it being a malfunctioning long range Hamas missile failing and crashing shortly after launch.

It's an utter tragedy for the victims. And maybe a lesson for those who knee-jerk accused Israeli forces of a deliberate atrocity.

I agree with your analysis but there are several hundred millions in the middle East who won’t this whole situation is going from bad to worse

[Bristol Red Rover]

Wilts.

You're talking as though the Palestinian leadership had no responsibility for the background to the Second Intifada.

That's my point. Placing all the blame in one direction is guaranteed to prolong the problem.

#bothsides

[Bristol Red Rover]

It is very, very difficult to kill 500 people with a single air-delivered conventional weapon.

Only one, maybe two terrorist bombings on the ground have ever in history killed as many as half that number, and the biggest attacks of that sort are frequently much larger in size than air-delivered munitions and deliberately placed to cause maximum damage.

Three possibilities.

1) There's gross exaggeration going on

2) Israel used multiple large weapons in the attack.

3) There was a munitions store hit by an attack that produced a very large explosion.

It's utterly horrific, whatever the truth of the matter.

As I was saying. It just doesn't stack up that  500 people could be killed from a single air drop munition.

And now the preliminary data from the site is emerging, it looks like a fuel explosion (i.e. rocket propellant) rather than a high explosive warhead.

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678

This is horrific. But it requires open and honest approaches to the truth rather than an insistence that it's an Israeli deliberate attack.

Are you saying that you expect a terrorist organisation to tell the truth about this.
They are bound to try to blame someone else.

Terrorist - are you talking Hamas, or Israel? Tell me how you distinguish between the two.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is always the case that when a humanitarian outrage like the hospital bombing takes place, both sides look to blame the other.
Israel has form here, and I would expect Hamas to do the same.....muddy the waters!

The background is what is the nature of terrorism, and understand that states practice it as well as resistance militants.
https://youtu.be/qMpMDzMOjQ0

It is normalised when it is a day to day fact of occupation, part of a long term plan for ethnic cleansing.
Israel wants to squeeze the Gaza enclave down to nothing, and colonise the land with armed settlers.

Really not good enough Albie.

The evidence is mounting that the horrific loss of life in the hospital inferno was not caused by an Israeli high explosive attack.

It is very important that, if a tragedy as horrendous as this is used by ANY side for sectional advantage, people of good faith call it out. It's simply not acceptable to shrug your shoulders and mumble about "muddying the waters".

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

On the flip side it's understandable to a degree not to trust Israel, they aren't wholly truthful and even if as looks likely they didn't commit this, they still have many others and should act with more restraint and turn the f**king water on for example.  Russia do that it's a war crime so why not Israel.

What is clear is just how this adds to the antisemitism claims against Jeremy Corbyn.  24 hours later he hasn't posted any update to his outrage last night, speaks volumes and many wanted him as PM....

[DonnyOsmond]

On the flip side it's understandable to a degree not to trust Israel, they aren't wholly truthful and even if as looks likely they didn't commit this, they still have many others and should act with more restraint and turn the f**king water on for example.  Russia do that it's a war crime so why not Israel.

What is clear is just how this adds to the antisemitism claims against Jeremy Corbyn.  24 hours later he hasn't posted any update to his outrage last night, speaks volumes and many wanted him as PM....

Not seen what the latter is about but don't mistake comments against Israel being against Judaism. It's happened a lot in the last couple of weeks.

[BillyStubbsTears]

On the flip side it's understandable to a degree not to trust Israel, they aren't wholly truthful and even if as looks likely they didn't commit this, they still have many others and should act with more restraint and turn the f**king water on for example.  Russia do that it's a war crime so why not Israel.

What is clear is just how this adds to the antisemitism claims against Jeremy Corbyn.  24 hours later he hasn't posted any update to his outrage last night, speaks volumes and many wanted him as PM....

Not seen what the latter is about but don't mistake comments against Israel being against Judaism. It's happened a lot in the last couple of weeks.

Easy to find.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1714345013734166555

And people wonder why Labour was unelectable under this man.