Ambulance Services Privatisation

[roverstillidie91]

Unbelievable - now using private companies for ambulance services.


https://everydoctor.org.uk/campaigns/privatisation-of-ambulance-services/

https://twitter.com/JujuliaGrace/status/1721075085027459240?s=19

[Bristol Red Rover]

I wonder who'll win the tenders for privatisation of the armed forces?

[roverstillidie91]

I wonder who'll win the tenders for privatisation of the armed forces?

It's an absolute scandal.

Clearly privatization isn't to the benefit of normal people but to its shareholders.

I wonder if Keir Starmer is going to protect our NHS? https://weownit.org.uk/

[idler]

I wonder who'll win the tenders for privatisation of the armed forces?

Wagner?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Most likely Aegis, AirScan, Academi, AISC, Erynis, G4S, IIL, JSC, KBR, MAG Aerospace, MPRI, Northbridge Services, Northop Gruman, Raytheon, Rubicon, Sandline, L3 Comms, Constellis, URG, Vinnell.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Of course there's loads of private companies already working with the armed forces as there has been for many years.

Why not let private companies run ambulances if they can do it cheaper and more effectively (big if)

[SydneyRover]

As per the water companies the trains the ...........

[Bentley Bullet]

The trains were shite before privatisation.

[SydneyRover]

''Thames Ambulance to be stripped of its North Lincolnshire contract.

Thames Ambulance Service Ltd (TASL) started its contract with North Lincolnshire in 2016 for non-urgent patient transport. Problems in the service soon surfaced, but despite working with the CCG and recommendations from the Care Quality Commision (CQC), the company failed to improve. As a result, in March 2018 the CCG served notice on the company.

An inspection by the CQC in October 2017, led to a damning report in February 2018, which can be found on the CQC website. The CQC uncovered a range of failings including one day when 13 patients were left waiting at hospital for transport. Patients were also left waiting in the cold for transport and missing appointments because the service couldn’t be provided adequately enough to get patients there on time.

One of TASL staff members described their employer as “inept” and “disorganised”. The state of the service’s vehicles was also highlighted by the CQC inspectors, with one vehicle 5,000 miles past its service due date and no hot water being available to clean them properly, inspectors found''

https://www.nhsforsale.info/ambulance-services/#:~:text=The%20CQC%20uncovered%20a%20range,get%20patients%20there%20on%20time.

[BobG]

Splendid! Privatisation was always going to provide a superior service at reduced cost. What a wonderful endorsement of the entire concept....

BobG

[roverstillidie91]

The trains were shite before privatisation.

it should be brought back into public hands, working on the railway its clear to see.

And it costs the taxpayer more money than it being in public hands.

[roverstillidie91]

Of course there's loads of private companies already working with the armed forces as there has been for many years.

Why not let private companies run ambulances if they can do it cheaper and more effectively (big if)

It won't be cheaper, privatisation has been a disaster.

All the public services where possible should be brought back into public hand.

Especially water, railway, energy

[BillyStubbsTears]

The trains were shite before privatisation.

Do you ever go from Donny to London on the train?

[BillyStubbsTears]

In fact, come to think of it,did you ever try going from anywhere to anywhere by train in the late 90s, after half a decade of privatisation?

[Bentley Bullet]

Of course there's loads of private companies already working with the armed forces as there has been for many years.

Why not let private companies run ambulances if they can do it cheaper and more effectively (big if)

It won't be cheaper, privatisation has been a disaster.

All the public services where possible should be brought back into public hand.

Especially water, railway, energy

In an ideal world, yes, but nationalisation means no competition, no incentives, and politically motivated actions such as holding the government to ransom with constant strikes, like the last time the Railways were publically owned.

[SydneyRover]

Matt Hancock is deeply concerned ................ private buses.

''I am deeply concerned to hear Stagecoach's proposal to no longer run its vital bus services connecting Newmarket and Bury St Edmunds to Cambridge, from the end of October. These services provide a lifeline to so many people, and their removal will not only have a huge and detrimental effect on the local community but on the environment too. From children and young adults attending college to the elderly who rely on these important services to get around. Their proposed removal is not acceptable, and I will do all I can to fight the decision. I want to reassure all those with concerns that I am in touch with Stagecoach and will get to the bottom of this''

https://www.matt-hancock.com/campaigns/stop-cancellation-stagecoach-bus-services-11-and-12

[roverstillidie91]

Of course there's loads of private companies already working with the armed forces as there has been for many years.

Why not let private companies run ambulances if they can do it cheaper and more effectively (big if)

It won't be cheaper, privatisation has been a disaster.

All the public services where possible should be brought back into public hand.

Especially water, railway, energy

In an ideal world, yes, but nationalisation means no competition, no incentives, and politically motivated actions such as holding the government to ransom with constant strikes, like the last time the Railways were publically owned.

Agree with what you say but if it is run for the benefit of the people surely it is better in public hands.

Striking is a democratic right and is a negotiation tactic.

Just something the Tories don't seem to understand.

You'll find the strikes are more in the railways case is for safety and conditions and NHS is for patient safety  than pay.

Privatisation and especially running down the NHS has led to mass staff shortages.

And the railway relies on staff working their rest days to keep it covered.

Now they're refusing is why you are seeing mass train cancellations.

There are a lot of useful videos of YouTube which show the disaster rail privatisation has been.

[Bentley Bullet]

I'm sure many workers are glad of overtime and in my experience would begrudge new starters "taking money out of their pockets."

 The only problem with socialism is socialists.

[roverstillidie91]

I'm sure many workers are glad of overtime and in my experience would begrudge new starters "taking money out of their pockets."

 The only problem with socialism is socialists.

what we need is a government who works for the benefit of the constituents not the other way around.

I do get paid overtime but if its not there  it doesn't bother me too much.

The fact is staff are now refusing to work overtime because it's cheaper to pay overtime than hire more staff.

Which is why I believe the best way to negotiate is to just work booked shifts, hardly going to stand by stating half if services are cancelled because staff have decided to have their days off how selfish of them

Remember what the trade unions fought and gained for us i.e. paid holidays, sickness pay, maternity rights etc

[Bentley Bullet]

It's always been cheaper to pay overtime than to hire new staff.

Trade unions did a good job initially, but then they got too much power and almost destroyed the country.

[roverstillidie91]

It's always been cheaper to pay overtime than to hire new staff.

Trade unions did a good job initially, but then they got too much power and almost destroyed the country.

It is all about meeting in the middle.

For example, we may want 5% rise in salary and we ask for 8 and then they offer 5 or 6 and we accept.


Issue is the Tories don't seem to understand negotiations.

The trade union movement needs to gather momentum again. As controversial as that sounds.

[Bentley Bullet]

You don't seem to understand that it's not the government who are paying for wage rises out of their own pockets, it's the public who pay for it!

[roverstillidie91]

You don't seem to understand that it's not the government who are paying for wage rises out of their own pockets, it's the public who pay for it!

which in turn benefits the economy as we spend the money and this in turn keeps people in jobs and we get taxed on it etc.

The public also pay for things like TOCs being on strike so they companies don't lose anything but the staff do which is private which I guess the Tories don't shout about.

We as the taxpayers are also ripped off for energy, water and all of the other sectors which have been privatised and their shareholders exploit to the expense of the taxpayer yet again.

And this country has the most strict anti trade union laws around.

Which is why you see for example health workers moving abroad for better pay and conditions etc.

[Bentley Bullet]

So, when Mr generous Starmer gets in, he'll just give in to every wage rise claim and we'll all live happily ever after?

[roverstillidie91]

So, when Mr generous Starmer gets in, he'll just give in to every wage rise claim and we'll all live happily ever after?

In reality he is  red Tory so probably not.

The thing is people follow the money and the pay and conditions. It just means losing your best workers and isn't good for morale in a company.

I predict in all honesty that Labour have started to dig their own grave and will end up in government without a majority.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So many untruths in here.

The best one overtime is cheaper.  I spent years working in outsourcing in a plc (and I saw good and bad through it).  Overtime was the devil for us, largely the difference between profit or loss, we spent huge amounts of time and money avoiding it.  It will never usually be effective.

Worth remembering that often those shareholders you reference are your pension scheme.

[SydneyRover]

So, when Mr generous Starmer gets in, he'll just give in to every wage rise claim and we'll all live happily ever after?

I think a more common sense approach would be to allow wages to rise gradually over time to avoid situations where strikes are required, tie the wages of those at the top to those at the base, if there is a bonus everyone gets it, everyone contributes to the success or failure of an entity, wouldn't you say?

The same reasoning to privatise should be used to nationalise then it takes away the political component.

[SydneyRover]

''Royal Mail loses 360-year monopoly on delivering parcels from Post Office sites''

''Royal Mail is to lose its 360-year-old monopoly on delivering parcels from Post Office branches, after concerns about poor quality of service persuaded the postal service to sign deals with rivals Evri and DPD in the run-up to Christmas.

The two couriers would be added to the options available at the counter from later this month, the Post Office said, with customers given a choice for the first time.

Industry sources said the decision was the result of increasing dissatisfaction at the Post Office with Royal Mail because of customers complaining about the standard of service''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/07/royal-mail-loses-360-year-monopoly-on-delivering-parcels-from-post-office-sites

The government of the day couldn't be trusted to run a car boot sale.

''There has been considerable press comment on the report and who has benefitted most from the sale. Attention has been drawn to the £750 million increase in value of shares on the first day of trading and to the fact that some of the priority shareholders have subsequently sold their share allocation at a considerable profit. (For example, Taxpayer lost out to big investors in mail float, says watchdog,Financial Times, 1 April 2014)''

''A report by the National Audit Office (NAO) on the Privatisation of Royal Mail, published 1 April, concluded that “…although the Department [of Business, Innovation and Skills] achieved its primary objective of delivering a sale of shares within this Parliament it could have achieved better value for the taxpayer.”''

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/privatisation-of-royal-mail-who-benefitted-the-taxpayer-or-the-shareholders/

How many entities would be privatised if customer dissatisfaction was used as a reason?

[BobG]

,EVRI? Bloody EVRI??

I suspect a deep plot.

EVRI are so effing atrocious that they had to change their name not very long ago to cover up their shame. If Royal Mail are resorting to these charlatans then either they have been leaned on, or, they plan to demonstrate just how bad the alternatives are.

BobG

[normal rules]

Of course there's loads of private companies already working with the armed forces as there has been for many years.

Why not let private companies run ambulances if they can do it cheaper and more effectively (big if)

G4s were allowed into a certain police force for10 yrs to see if this worked.
It didn’t.