Shock poll

[scawsby steve]

A Yougov poll tonight has 50% of the British people agreeing with Cruella that the pro-Palestine march should be banned, with 34% against, and 16% that don't know.

I personally found that unbelievable, that only a third of UK people disagree with such a controversial decision, and shows that the culture war is still up and running.

I still think that Labour will win next year, but I'm not sure about a landslide anymore.

[tyke1962]

I think the significance of the day the Pro Palestinian march is getting held is the issue , I think if you take the day out of it possibly those figures wouldn't be as they are .

I don't exactly think it's the best decision to hold march on that day myself .

A peace march then fair enough with the flag of Israel visible along with the Palestinian , thousands marching for a ceasefire or an end to this conflict .

Unfortunately it's none of those things and to many it's a march promoting Hamas and terrorism on 11/11.

Looking at the previous march some of the banners etc have let's say questionable slogans on them .

[roverstillidie91]

Based on say a vote of 2000 ish people, with a population of approx 67+ million.

Plus Yougov was founded by a Tory as well.

[drfchound]

Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.

[Bentley Bullet]

Didn't you know hound? Polls are inaccurate unless they suit your point of view!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Having an event to try and stop people getting killed in a war on the same day a lot of other people have events to remember people who got killed in wars? Disgusting!

[MachoMadness]

Gentlemen, you can't protest for peace today, this is Armistice Day!

[tyke1962]

Having an event to try and stop people getting killed in a war on the same day a lot of other people have events to remember people who got killed in wars? Disgusting!

Yes there will be people marching for that but there will be amongst them people marching for the annihilation of the state of Israel and spouting hate .

It's not an anti war march it's a pro Palestinian march with tentacles attached to it .

[Dagenham Rover]

Remembrance Day, The Lord Mayors Parade, Palestine march/gathering all the same day Whats not to go wrong!!

[Bentley Bullet]

I read somewhere that it is obvious even to a fool that having the protest on Remembrance Day is out and out provocation, looking for confrontation.

Obviously not!

[idler]

All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?

[Bentley Bullet]

All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?

The decent genuine protesters should be aware of the lunatic fringe and realise that a demonstration on Remembrance Day is probably not a wise idea.

[SydneyRover]

All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?

The decent genuine protesters should be aware of the lunatic fringe and realise that a demonstration on Remembrance Day is probably not a wise idea.

Yep, everyone should beware of this government

[Sprotyrover]

All protests and marches these days seem to attract a lunatic fringe that just want to hijack them for their own extreme views. Throw in a few that want confrontation with the police and aggravation that grabs headlines. What could go wrong?

The decent genuine protesters should be aware of the lunatic fringe and realise that a demonstration on Remembrance Day is probably not a wise idea.

Yep, everyone should beware of this government

Is that your Government you are referring to or or Government?

[SydneyRover]

or or government

[SydneyRover]

Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.

[selby]

British politics is now formed more than ever before by wealth. the underlying blue collar workforce this countries wealth was built on until the 1970s ish is now a small part of the countries wealth that has moved to services and banking etc.
  The rise in the working class standard of living has stalled,  but the historical wealth built up by that generation who moved on from council estates to private housing and was what the vast majority strived for of those generations can still be seen on the estates around the country, while the state supported work force and menial service jobs are now the largest employers and produce nothing that has added value. the NHS the biggest sink hole of the lot.
  So you have a widening schism of an older generation with wealth but a ever widening cost of care because of living longer and higher pensions.
  Meanwhile the immigration situation is costing an ever growing expense on both sets of the population and causing resentment, the older generation not wanting to fund it, the five million on benefits thinking why spend more on them,
  Its a simplified version I know, but a tinder box ready to explode. 

[tyke1962]

Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.

I agree that the government and especially Braverman is exploiting the situation to create division which is the go to play for them historically.

However let's be in no doubt who it was that attacked Israel and which state selected them to carry it out .

I'm all for a peace protest , people living here on both sides of this divide linking arms tomorrow and calling for an end to this conflict.

If like myself you don't envisage that happening then what exactly is a Pro Palestinian march ?

[tyke1962]

Worth five minutes of your time .


https://youtu.be/35eEljsSQfc?si=kS7mmiu3morlnhB1

[Mike_F]

the immigration situation is costing an ever growing expense 

All the sources I can find suggest that immigration has a net positive impact on the economy and the longer an immigrant stays in the country the greater that impact is.

[Campsall rover]

Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.

I work for the National Centre for Social Research hound.
We do a number of different Study / Surveys most of which are for Government Departments.

The largest sample is around 35 to 40.000 interviews per year. This is on the Family Resources Survey on behalf of the Dept for Work & Pensions.
The National Travel Survey on behalf of the Dept of Transport has a sample of around 15 to 20.000 per year.
The smallest samples can be around 7 to 8.000 on other studies.

The addresses of the respondents taking part are selected at random therefore getting a balance of age groups, social and economic backgrounds etc.

A sample of 2.000 is guite small based on the total population, but it is how that sample is selected as the key to whether it is a balanced one.

[drfchound]

Aren’t most polls based on a very small percentage of our 67 million population.
I guess we will see over the weekend whether the pro Palestinian march creates any confrontation.
My guess is that it will get very messy.

I work for the National Centre for Social Research hound.
We do a number of different Study / Surveys most of which are for Government Departments.

The largest sample is around 35 to 40.000 interviews per year. This is on the Family Resources Survey on behalf of the Dept for Work & Pensions.
The National Travel Survey on behalf of the Dept of Transport has a sample of around 15 to 20.000 per year.
The smallest samples can be around 7 to 8.000 on other studies.

The addresses of the respondents taking part are selected at random therefore getting a balance of age groups, social and economic backgrounds etc.

A sample of 2.000 is guite small based on the total population, but it is how that sample is selected as the key to whether it is a balanced one.

I would suggest that the guess of a 2000 people poll by RTID91 further up the thread was exactly that, a guess.
Even a poll of 40,000 people out of a 67m population is a very small percentage.

[BillyStubbsTears]

the immigration situation is costing an ever growing expense 

All the sources I can find suggest that immigration has a net positive impact on the economy and the longer an immigrant stays in the country the greater that impact is.

It's well established that it does.

But Mike Graham ain't going to tell Selby that, is he?

[Bristol Red Rover]

One of the most positive demos this country experienced was the poll tax one. As always, there were people on that demo who wanted confrontation with the state, and they got it. Appalling tactics on the day, and on the long build up, from the states thug squad ensured that happened. And so ended the evil Thatcher years,  tho the ghost lives on,  and worst, in the likes of Braverman.

The UK is supporting the extreme vience of Israel. Violence begets violence. Remembrance day has its deep sadness, but also its extreme bullshit. Many died for the sakes of squabbling elites, for elites that screwed up for selfish, very thick reasons. There's nothing sacred about it, not unless you're part of the culture of domineering elites. I have relatives that died in war,  that were wrecked in war, and think the demo is wholly appropriate, at least in part it's a demo against state terrorism. Of course the media spin is against this, reflected in comments above.

[tyke1962]

One of the most positive demos this country experienced was the poll tax one. As always, there were people on that demo who wanted confrontation with the state, and they got it. Appalling tactics on the day, and on the long build up, from the states thug squad ensured that happened. And so ended the evil Thatcher years,  tho the ghost lives on,  and worst, in the likes of Braverman.

The UK is supporting the extreme vience of Israel. Violence begets violence. Remembrance day has its deep sadness, but also its extreme bullshit. Many died for the sakes of squabbling elites, for elites that screwed up for selfish, very thick reasons. There's nothing sacred about it, not unless you're part of the culture of domineering elites. I have relatives that died in war,  that were wrecked in war, and think the demo is wholly appropriate, at least in part it's a demo against state terrorism. Of course the media spin is against this, reflected in comments above.

If your going to pick a side in this current conflict then you clearly don't mind a diet of extremely thin gruel .

There is no path to the moral high ground waving a Palestinian flag in central London tomorrow or even the weekend after or indeed the one before so I'll take 11/11 right out of it for you .

There's very little to be gained by supporting the Israelis either in this conflict or many of the tactics that's gone on before .

What I will say is this and I accept the state of Israel was created by let's say dubious actions but it does have the right to exist .

However in my opinion this isn't about the land , what this continuous conflict is really about is the fact an alternative religion exists exactly where it does on the map , that's the issue .

An alternative religion within a prosperous state , a state with more freedoms , a state where you don't get thrown off a high rise building because you are gay for instance .

All of which of course flys in the face of certain surrounding country's , let's say that shall we .

Anyone thinking annihilating the Jews or even forcing them to flee Israel will some how become a good thing had probably better revisit what they wished for .

You really don't want to go there , you really don't .

For the record I'm for the two state solution , I'm also hoping I see my club have another PL season before I pass away .

The latter is probably more likely and that's bordering on fantasy .

[SydneyRover]

Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.

I agree that the government and especially Braverman is exploiting the situation to create division which is the go to play for them historically.

However let's be in no doubt who it was that attacked Israel and which state selected them to carry it out .

I'm all for a peace protest , people living here on both sides of this divide linking arms tomorrow and calling for an end to this conflict.

If like myself you don't envisage that happening then what exactly is a Pro Palestinian march ?

It's difficult to look at a single atrocity to define a conflict as complex as this war without looking at it's history and evolution, this war didn't start last month and it won't end until there is a peace agreement that satisfies all sides.

[drfchound]

Instead of stirring things up the government could have used it to bring the various cultures together for peace.

I agree that the government and especially Braverman is exploiting the situation to create division which is the go to play for them historically.

However let's be in no doubt who it was that attacked Israel and which state selected them to carry it out .

I'm all for a peace protest , people living here on both sides of this divide linking arms tomorrow and calling for an end to this conflict.

If like myself you don't envisage that happening then what exactly is a Pro Palestinian march ?

It's difficult to look at a single atrocity to define a conflict as complex as this war without looking at it's history and evolution, this war didn't start last month and it won't end until there is a peace agreement that satisfies all sides.

Syd, what do you think would be a good proposal for a peace agreement that suits all sides.

[Iberian Red]

One of the most positive demos this country experienced was the poll tax one. As always, there were people on that demo who wanted confrontation with the state, and they got it. Appalling tactics on the day, and on the long build up, from the states thug squad ensured that happened. And so ended the evil Thatcher years,  tho the ghost lives on,  and worst, in the likes of Braverman.

The UK is supporting the extreme vience of Israel. Violence begets violence. Remembrance day has its deep sadness, but also its extreme bullshit. Many died for the sakes of squabbling elites, for elites that screwed up for selfish, very thick reasons. There's nothing sacred about it, not unless you're part of the culture of domineering elites. I have relatives that died in war,  that were wrecked in war, and think the demo is wholly appropriate, at least in part it's a demo against state terrorism. Of course the media spin is against this, reflected in comments above.

That was a great example of people power(i remeber seeing a placrd with Leicester Sikhs against Poll Tax).,and a great day out until the plod started randomly attacking  the protesters. Driving black mariahs into packed streets was so provocative,I nearly got hit by one. However that never got reported. The Daily Zieg Mail three another angle at it and suddenly it was radical travellers responsible for the violence.
Luckily it did help in the downfall of the wicked witch.
I hope it was her dying thought.

[scawsby steve]

Based on say a vote of 2000 ish people, with a population of approx 67+ million.

Plus Yougov was founded by a Tory as well.

So the Labour Party's lead over the Tories by around 20% is a load of b*ll*cks?

[normal rules]

At least the March goes no where near the US Embassy. That wouldn’t be a good idea.
Oh, hang on………….