Future of the Tory party

[Bentley Bullet]

It's not just Jess Phillips, several others have joined her.

Could spell trouble for Keith, this.

8 front benchers have all resigned in total .

I blame the left myself 

Buckle up. It's going to be rough.

[SydneyRover]

not as rough as the years of Austerity + brexit + the response to Covid

[Bentley Bullet]

How would you know, Sydnaye?

[SydneyRover]

How would I know? you and your acolytes are the ones confusing government with opposition

[Bentley Bullet]

What?

[normal rules]

It's not just Jess Phillips, several others have joined her.

Could spell trouble for Keith, this.

8 front benchers have all resigned in total .

I blame the left myself 

Buckle up. It's going to be rough.

I’m waiting for stabber to sack the 56 defectors.

[SydneyRover]

It's not just Jess Phillips, several others have joined her.

Could spell trouble for Keith, this.

8 front benchers have all resigned in total .

I blame the left myself 

Buckle up. It's going to be rough.

I’m waiting for stabber to sack the 56 defectors.

It's how politics works, haven't you been watching for the past 13+ years?

[Bentley Bullet]

It's whose eyes you have been watching it through that's crucially important.

[SydneyRover]

It's whose eyes you have been watching it through that's crucially important.

certainly not your cycloptic eye bb

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's not just Jess Phillips, several others have joined her.

Could spell trouble for Keith, this.

8 front benchers have all resigned in total .

I blame the left myself 

Buckle up. It's going to be rough.

I’m waiting for stabber to sack the 56 defectors.

I'm not sure you've been paying attention here.

[Bentley Bullet]

It's whose eyes you have been watching it through that's crucially important.

certainly not your cycloptic eye bb

Possessing one good eye is substantially better than having two that are restricted by tunnel vision.

[SydneyRover]

I see your coterie has exited bb

[BillyStubbsTears]

My two bob on last night.

Starmer isn't a particularly skillful leader and he runs a party with a wide range of views. Last night was an indication of the limits of how far he can control and shepherd his MPs.

He made it an issue of party discipline and that was probably a mistake, when many people see it as an issue of conscience. Those who voted against him sent a loud message that there's a line over which they won't be dragged.

He's obviously wounded by a rebellion on that scale. He's had to lose the front benchers that voted against him. That's a major blow. The others are backbenchers who he can't "sack" but they are giving a loud message about the limits of his authority.

Will it affect Labour's ability to win next year? Depends on whether it turns into all out civil war in the Labour party. I doubt it will, but it might.

It will certainly give Starmer pause for thought about the need to better accommodate the different voices in the party if they do form the Govt next year.

[Bentley Bullet]

I see your coterie has exited bb

Whoever you're referring to I'm sure they're fully aware that I can look after myself.

[SydneyRover]

I see your coterie has exited bb

Whoever you're referring to I'm sure they're fully aware that I can look after myself.

So they may, but why keep it private

[Bentley Bullet]

Look, I'm a bit of a bullshitter myself, but occasionally I enjoy listening to an expert.

Talk to me Sydnaye!

[MachoMadness]

My two bob on last night.

Starmer isn't a particularly skillful leader and he runs a party with a wide range of views. Last night was an indication of the limits of how far he can control and shepherd his MPs.

He made it an issue of party discipline and that was probably a mistake, when many people see it as an issue of conscience. Those who voted against him sent a loud message that there's a line over which they won't be dragged.

He's obviously wounded by a rebellion on that scale. He's had to lose the front benchers that voted against him. That's a major blow. The others are backbenchers who he can't "sack" but they are giving a loud message about the limits of his authority.

Will it affect Labour's ability to win next year? Depends on whether it turns into all out civil war in the Labour party. I doubt it will, but it might.

It will certainly give Starmer pause for thought about the need to better accommodate the different voices in the party if they do form the Govt next year.

This is a fair analysis tbh. I do wonder whether this will encourage him to ditch or at least leash Mandelson, architect of the "they have nowhere else to go" approach to Muslim and left-wing voters.

[tyke1962]

My two bob on last night.

Starmer isn't a particularly skillful leader and he runs a party with a wide range of views. Last night was an indication of the limits of how far he can control and shepherd his MPs.

He made it an issue of party discipline and that was probably a mistake, when many people see it as an issue of conscience. Those who voted against him sent a loud message that there's a line over which they won't be dragged.

He's obviously wounded by a rebellion on that scale. He's had to lose the front benchers that voted against him. That's a major blow. The others are backbenchers who he can't "sack" but they are giving a loud message about the limits of his authority.

Will it affect Labour's ability to win next year? Depends on whether it turns into all out civil war in the Labour party. I doubt it will, but it might.

It will certainly give Starmer pause for thought about the need to better accommodate the different voices in the party if they do form the Govt next year.

Makes no sense to me why you would try and exercise your authority on a pretty meaningless vote .

It's not like the Israelis are going to be swayed by it is it ?

Now it's a fairly big deal and it needn't have happened .

[belton rover]

My two bob on last night.

Starmer isn't a particularly skillful leader and he runs a party with a wide range of views. Last night was an indication of the limits of how far he can control and shepherd his MPs.

He made it an issue of party discipline and that was probably a mistake, when many people see it as an issue of conscience. Those who voted against him sent a loud message that there's a line over which they won't be dragged.

He's obviously wounded by a rebellion on that scale. He's had to lose the front benchers that voted against him. That's a major blow. The others are backbenchers who he can't "sack" but they are giving a loud message about the limits of his authority.

Will it affect Labour's ability to win next year? Depends on whether it turns into all out civil war in the Labour party. I doubt it will, but it might.

It will certainly give Starmer pause for thought about the need to better accommodate the different voices in the party if they do form the Govt next year.

This is a fair analysis tbh. I do wonder whether this will encourage him to ditch or at least leash Mandelson, architect of the "they have nowhere else to go" approach to Muslim and left-wing voters.

I agree this is a fair analysis of Starmer’s incompetency.
What I wonder, however, is why we don’t, for the sake of balanced debate, hear fair analysis from Billy regarding the current government’s incompetencies.

[Colin C No.3]

Sydney. How do I get rid of a boomerang?

[Branton Red]

I disagree with the analysis criticising Keir Starmer on this issue.

I believe he has shown strength of leadership in sticking to his guns rather than weakly giving in to allow a split at Labour's top table to appear.

In at least 15 months Labour will almost certainly be in power.

Members of Starmer's Caninet will then under collective responsibility have to tow the line on all Labour policy including difficult areas of foreign policy.

He gave the rebels the opportunity to abstain and keep their posts. Which would have enabled them to clearly show their position whilst not defying the party's policy.

They refused. Best to rid his team of such individuals now rather than having to do so when in Government.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I disagree with the analysis criticising Keir Starmer on this issue.

I believe he has shown strength of leadership in sticking to his guns rather than weakly giving in to allow a split at Labour's top table to appear.

In at least 15 months Labour will almost certainly be in power.

Members of Starmer's Caninet will then under collective responsibility have to tow the line on all Labour policy including difficult areas of foreign policy.

He gave the rebels the opportunity to abstain and keep their posts. Which would have enabled them to clearly show their position whilst not defying the party's policy.

They refused. Best to rid his team of such individuals now rather than having to do so when in Government.

That's a fair analysis. Plus, he's likely to have a LOT of fresh, new MPs after the Election, and the balance of the Labour MPs will be much closer to the centre than it is now. That will give him a firmer hold over Parliament and he won't need those further to the Left as much.

I'm not saying I like that outcome. Our democracy puts WAY too much power in the hands of a PM with a compliant Commons majority. It's really not healthy or democratic. But I suspect that's what we are going to get.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm a bit of a bullshitter myself

Who'd have thought it? 

[SydneyRover]

Sydney. How do I get rid of a boomerang?

ask kylie

[ravenrover]

I thought it was Rolf Harris - My boomerang won't come back

[SydneyRover]

Kylie is a performer kylie is not

[Sprotyrover]

Kylie is a performer kylie is not

Sydders can you ‘Tie your Kangeroo down sport?” And what do you get up to once you have done?

[SydneyRover]

Kylie is a performer kylie is not

Sydders can you ‘Tie your Kangeroo down sport?” And what do you get up to once you have done?

we eat them

[SydneyRover]

''‘It’s roadkill’: Harry Potter star’s awkward Lambie lunch moment''

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/its-roadkill-harry-potter-stars-awkward-lambie-lunch-moment/news-story/86f3c2e62f9272444b19ec0cc2016c0a

[Sprotyrover]

''‘It’s roadkill’: Harry Potter star’s awkward Lambie lunch moment''

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/its-roadkill-harry-potter-stars-awkward-lambie-lunch-moment/news-story/86f3c2e62f9272444b19ec0cc2016c0a

Why do you have to tie them down if they are already Dead.?