Brexit is the best thing that ever happened to Britain

[Herbert Anchovy]

There were a couple of really interesting articles in the paper on Sunday which indirectly reflected on the Pro's and Con's of the EU.

Firstly, the collective inability/unwillingness of the EU countries (with the exception of the Netherlands) to contribute to the action taken by the UK and US against the Huthie rebels attacking ships, despite the fact that a large percentage of ships using the shipping route were heading for, or owned by, EU nations.

Secondly, how the EU may well become more important than ever should Donald Trump win the election in the US and begin to withdraw traditional US support to Europe and NATO. The collective military and economic trade agreements across the EU will be vital to protecting Europe from attack, primarily from Russia. The UK may well find itself left well and truly on the shelf.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I think Herbert, that militarily the UK would work alongside the EU as it does with NATO.  For a start the EU would want to have alliance with a major nuclear power and not solely rely on France.

The unwillingness of other countries to support against the houthis is super interesting.

[i_ateallthepies]

Sunak says the deal to get Stormont government back up and running will be good for both the NI and GB economies.  Makes you wonder why they ever messed it up in the first place then doesn't it and why it took them so long to put it right.

[SydneyRover]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

Perhaps you should read this and see what you voted to give away and why the French are free to do what they choose to do.
 
https://iea.org.uk/why-brexit-was-a-mistake-from-a-libertarian-perspective/

Oh dear how sad , never mind My heart bleeds for
The libertarians who voted for Brexit all 5 of them!
Definition of a Libertine “ a person, especially a man, who freely indulges in sensual pleasures without regard to moral principles:”

Err .... you wouldn't be getting your Libertarians and Libertines mixed up by any chance?

bump

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not sure it's the right thread but closest we have. The Hungary situation shows how difficult it is to bring together countries across Europe to a consensus.  Interesting to see an anti EU party in Germany polling fairly well too.

Not sure how the EU can get itself in a more reformed, stronger position.

And there's two things they all have in common.

1) They are all on the far right.

2) They are all sympathetic to Putin.

Go figure.

Of course, people are perfectly at liberty (at least while democracy exists) to support whoever they wish. But those who cheer on Orban and AfD and Le Pen should be honest with themselves. They are cheering on Putin.

[selby]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

[BillyStubbsTears]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

And this is how the wilfully stupid get dragged by the nose in the direction that far right people with an agenda want to take them.

It's not "cheaper imports from non-UK countriesS[/u].

But I wouldn't expect Mike Graham to tell you the truth on that.

It is cheaper imports from ONE non-EU country that the farmers are moaning about.

Guess which country the EU has abolished agricultural tariffs for.

Go on. Have a guess.

Then ask yourself why Kitsons like Le Pen and AfD are stirring up agro over it.

Go on. In your own time.

[SydneyRover]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

''The quiet suicide epidemic plaguing French farmers
In France, one farmer commits suicide every two days. Dairy farmer Michou from the Loire-Atlantique region agreed to talk to us about the quiet epidemic that’s affecting his community''

Issued on: 26/10/2018 - 20:19

https://www.france24.com/en/20181026-suicide-epidemic-plaguing-french-farmers-loire-atlantique

[selby]

  It was a programme on France 24 actually Billy and it was fruit mainly from North and East Africa that was a big bone of contention Billy, but hey I bow to your all knowing intelligence, also Poland which I didn't mention because of grain from the Ukraine but of course we all know about that or should do.
  Over to you I know how much you like the last word and to belittle people get on with it.
   I haven't as much spare time on my hands as you Billy by the looks of it I am only retired  and find things to do instead of gobbling the BBC all day, and living in a leftie dream world.

[Sprotyrover]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

''The quiet suicide epidemic plaguing French farmers
In France, one farmer commits suicide every two days. Dairy farmer Michou from the Loire-Atlantique region agreed to talk to us about the quiet epidemic that’s affecting his community''

Issued on: 26/10/2018 - 20:19

https://www.france24.com/en/20181026-suicide-epidemic-plaguing-french-farmers-loire-atlantique

Well again this is a similar theme to the UK dairy Farmers getting paid peanuts by consortiums for their products!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bunch of t**ts, the DUP are.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1754416350754136077

They campaigned for a hard Brexit for the whole of the UK. They were part of the far right cabal that forced the Govt away from a soft Brexit in 2017-19.

Now their leader is crowing about apparently securing for NI, the position that all of us had before Brexit.

[SydneyRover]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

''The quiet suicide epidemic plaguing French farmers
In France, one farmer commits suicide every two days. Dairy farmer Michou from the Loire-Atlantique region agreed to talk to us about the quiet epidemic that’s affecting his community''

Issued on: 26/10/2018 - 20:19

https://www.france24.com/en/20181026-suicide-epidemic-plaguing-french-farmers-loire-atlantique

Well again this is a similar theme to the UK dairy Farmers getting paid peanuts by consortiums for their products!

''UK farmers vow to mount more blockades over cheap post-Brexit imports
Inspired by French action, British campaigners say they will continue slow tractor protests after Dover roads were blocked''

.......''Sustain the food campaigners, warned in 2022 that UK farmers made far less than 1p profit from food they produce. A loaf of bread was worth 0.09p profit for a cereal farmer while a £2.50 block of cheddar was worth less than a penny for dairy farmers.

Since then trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force. Andrew Gibson said he had tried to buy British lamb in his local supermarket and found none.

“The ethics are just appalling,” he said. “How you get a leg of lamb from New Zealand, the other side of the world, and sell that for £15 or £20 – it’s mind-boggling.

“We’re getting a lot of produce from around the world that would be illegal to grow in this country,” he added. “We produce the best stuff to the highest standard. We just want a level playing field.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices

[Sprotyrover]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

''The quiet suicide epidemic plaguing French farmers
In France, one farmer commits suicide every two days. Dairy farmer Michou from the Loire-Atlantique region agreed to talk to us about the quiet epidemic that’s affecting his community''

Issued on: 26/10/2018 - 20:19

https://www.france24.com/en/20181026-suicide-epidemic-plaguing-french-farmers-loire-atlantique

Well again this is a similar theme to the UK dairy Farmers getting paid peanuts by consortiums for their products!

''UK farmers vow to mount more blockades over cheap post-Brexit imports
Inspired by French action, British campaigners say they will continue slow tractor protests after Dover roads were blocked''

.......''Sustain the food campaigners, warned in 2022 that UK farmers made far less than 1p profit from food they produce. A loaf of bread was worth 0.09p profit for a cereal farmer while a £2.50 block of cheddar was worth less than a penny for dairy farmers.

Since then trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force. Andrew Gibson said he had tried to buy British lamb in his local supermarket and found none.

“The ethics are just appalling,” he said. “How you get a leg of lamb from New Zealand, the other side of the world, and sell that for £15 or £20 – it’s mind-boggling.

“We’re getting a lot of produce from around the world that would be illegal to grow in this country,” he added. “We produce the best stuff to the highest standard. We just want a level playing field.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices

Australian Black Angus Beef is lovely too! Though I was a bit wary at first as I thought it might send me crackers like Syd!

[Dutch Uncle]

The latest in Northern Ireland - difficulty in getting car batteries because of Brexit paperwork 

It is a disaster over here

[Not Now Kato]

The latest in Northern Ireland - difficulty in getting car batteries because of Brexit paperwork 

It is a disaster over here

It's a disaster everywhere Dutch. Sadly, some people who voted for it are too blinkered to admit it.

[SydneyRover]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

''The quiet suicide epidemic plaguing French farmers
In France, one farmer commits suicide every two days. Dairy farmer Michou from the Loire-Atlantique region agreed to talk to us about the quiet epidemic that’s affecting his community''

Issued on: 26/10/2018 - 20:19

https://www.france24.com/en/20181026-suicide-epidemic-plaguing-french-farmers-loire-atlantique

Well again this is a similar theme to the UK dairy Farmers getting paid peanuts by consortiums for their products!

''UK farmers vow to mount more blockades over cheap post-Brexit imports
Inspired by French action, British campaigners say they will continue slow tractor protests after Dover roads were blocked''

.......''Sustain the food campaigners, warned in 2022 that UK farmers made far less than 1p profit from food they produce. A loaf of bread was worth 0.09p profit for a cereal farmer while a £2.50 block of cheddar was worth less than a penny for dairy farmers.

Since then trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force. Andrew Gibson said he had tried to buy British lamb in his local supermarket and found none.

“The ethics are just appalling,” he said. “How you get a leg of lamb from New Zealand, the other side of the world, and sell that for £15 or £20 – it’s mind-boggling.

“We’re getting a lot of produce from around the world that would be illegal to grow in this country,” he added. “We produce the best stuff to the highest standard. We just want a level playing field.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices

Australian Black Angus Beef is lovely too! Though I was a bit wary at first as I thought it might send me crackers like Syd!

Why do give me the impression you wear a gimp suit in the evenings?

[Sprotyrover]

  It looks like the Farmers over in EU land are not happy and have held large tractor rallies in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Poland, and Greece today, that is a lot of not very happy bunnies.
  A report on the Radio said that in the last twelve months over one hundred and twenty farmers in France had committed suicide which is not a good look.
  The main complaints iare too much paper work, limiting fertiliser use and cheaper imports from non EU countries.

''The quiet suicide epidemic plaguing French farmers
In France, one farmer commits suicide every two days. Dairy farmer Michou from the Loire-Atlantique region agreed to talk to us about the quiet epidemic that’s affecting his community''

Issued on: 26/10/2018 - 20:19

https://www.france24.com/en/20181026-suicide-epidemic-plaguing-french-farmers-loire-atlantique

Well again this is a similar theme to the UK dairy Farmers getting paid peanuts by consortiums for their products!

''UK farmers vow to mount more blockades over cheap post-Brexit imports
Inspired by French action, British campaigners say they will continue slow tractor protests after Dover roads were blocked''

.......''Sustain the food campaigners, warned in 2022 that UK farmers made far less than 1p profit from food they produce. A loaf of bread was worth 0.09p profit for a cereal farmer while a £2.50 block of cheddar was worth less than a penny for dairy farmers.

Since then trade deals with Australia and New Zealand have come into force. Andrew Gibson said he had tried to buy British lamb in his local supermarket and found none.

“The ethics are just appalling,” he said. “How you get a leg of lamb from New Zealand, the other side of the world, and sell that for £15 or £20 – it’s mind-boggling.

“We’re getting a lot of produce from around the world that would be illegal to grow in this country,” he added. “We produce the best stuff to the highest standard. We just want a level playing field.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices

Australian Black Angus Beef is lovely too! Though I was a bit wary at first as I thought it might send me crackers like Syd!

Why do give me the impression you wear a gimp suit in the evenings?

You need a check up from the neck up!

[SydneyRover]

If you go back through maybe just a week of your own posts, any time you are stuck for an answer to anyone, out come the schoolyard epithets, on top of that your tales of misguided, if not illegal vigilantism. What does your son think of your armed night time exploits?

[Sprotyrover]

If you go back through maybe just a week of your own posts, any time you are stuck for an answer to anyone, out come the schoolyard epithets, on top of that your tales of misguided, if not illegal vigilantism. What does your son think of your armed night time exploits?

Syd I never go out walking at night it is too dangerous, it’s bad enough in daylight, there is no street lighting and no Pavements in the countryside around me. Most of the cowboy builders think it’s ok to dump their rubble at tea time after a hard days Bodging up somebodies bathroom or kitchen!
Mr kettle calling frying pan re replying to posts
Something YOU never do !answer a question when you frequently paint yourself into a corner Aye Aye Me hearty!

[BillyStubbsTears]

We've found another benefit!

Brexit has taught this prick a basic rule of economics.

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1771458661967130805?s=20

[Sprotyrover]

We've found another benefit!

Brexit has taught this prick a basic rule of economics.

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1771458661967130805?s=20

Well it isn’t making us poorer!
We have the second best economy in Europe after Germany and a great deal of that is that we aren’t constrained by the D*ck Heads in Brussels.

[wilts rover]

We've found another benefit!

Brexit has taught this prick a basic rule of economics.

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1771458661967130805?s=20

Well it isn’t making us poorer!
We have the second best economy in Europe after Germany and a great deal of that is that we aren’t constrained by the D*ck Heads in Brussels.

Depends who you mean by 'us'. The UK is one of the most economically unequal countries in the world (only Italy in Europe is worse).

Brexit has allowed that inequality to get worse. It fact it was DESIGNED to make that inequality worse - to provide a tax haven for global billionaires to launder their money.

But you are on their side. So that's alright.

https://equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk

[Hounslowrover]

BB, you say Germany has a better economy than us , and we aren’t constrained by Europe.  So how do the Germans manage to deal with the d.. heads in Brussels?

[Sprotyrover]

BB, you say Germany has a better economy than us , and we aren’t constrained by Europe.  So how do the Germans manage to deal with the d.. heads in Brussels?

It’s only has a bigger economy because it’s got a larger population and area, they are in recession at the moment and are struggling due to being constrained by the D*ckheads in Brussels,along with most of the EU!

[Sprotyrover]

We've found another benefit!

Brexit has taught this prick a basic rule of economics.

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1771458661967130805?s=20

Well it isn’t making us poorer!
We have the second best economy in Europe after Germany and a great deal of that is that we aren’t constrained by the D*ck Heads in Brussels.

Depends who you mean by 'us'. The UK is one of the most economically unequal countries in the world (only Italy in Europe is worse).

Brexit has allowed that inequality to get worse. It fact it was DESIGNED to make that inequality worse - to provide a tax haven for global billionaires to launder their money.

But you are on their side. So that's alright.

https://equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk

Why am I on their side Wilts, because I support Brexit! Does that make me a bad person? Am I keeping others in Poverty?

[roverstillidie91]

The latest in Northern Ireland - difficulty in getting car batteries because of Brexit paperwork 

It is a disaster over here

It's a disaster everywhere Dutch. Sadly, some people who voted for it are too blinkered to admit it.

Myself and others who voted for it admitted it was an error judgement and if we had to vote again we'd vote remain.

Brexit was all for the wrong reasons.

In regards to laws, financial corrupction and the Freeports Special Economic Zones etc

[roverstillidie91]

We've found another benefit!

Brexit has taught this prick a basic rule of economics.

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1771458661967130805?s=20

Well it isn’t making us poorer!
We have the second best economy in Europe after Germany and a great deal of that is that we aren’t constrained by the D*ck Heads in Brussels.

We will be poorer in the long term, lower paid jobs.

Has restricted trade companies are moving their operations abroad.

It was all a power grab and for institutions to move their money to tax havens.

Privatisation of councils and the NHS are next and the SEZ's is the completion of corporate britain.

[ravenrover]

The latest in Northern Ireland - difficulty in getting car batteries because of Brexit paperwork 

It is a disaster over here

It's a disaster everywhere Dutch. Sadly, some people who voted for it are too blinkered to admit it.

Myself and others who voted for it admitted it was an error judgement and if we had to vote again we'd vote remain.

Brexit was all for the wrong reasons.

In regards to laws, financial corrupction and the Freeports Special Economic Zones etc

Out of interest and no other reason what made you vote  for it?

[roverstillidie91]

The latest in Northern Ireland - difficulty in getting car batteries because of Brexit paperwork 

It is a disaster over here

It's a disaster everywhere Dutch. Sadly, some people who voted for it are too blinkered to admit it.

Myself and others who voted for it admitted it was an error judgement and if we had to vote again we'd vote remain.

Brexit was all for the wrong reasons.

In regards to laws, financial corrupction and the Freeports Special Economic Zones etc

Out of interest and no other reason what made you vote  for it?

what's done is done the main concern we should have is concerning this..

https://twitter.com/EuropeanPowell/status/1772352416773452025?s=19

Lies and neoliberal subterfuge. Just so people know former FM Mark Drakeford signed off on 2 Welsh public/privately owned Freeports in Ynys Mon/Anglesey, and Milford Haven/Pot Talbot with Sunak, also present was Shanker Singham, the brains behind Brexit. Off shore wind farms were already happening anyway, and do not need Freeport status. The EU has similar offshore wind farms, all EU ports are publicly owned. Jan 2024 Govt report on REUL stated EU ports are publicly owned and unsuitable for the U.K. economy, +600 EU/UK laws were revoked on 31/12/2023, 3 main areas affected were employment rights, food safety standards, and environmental protection, 1000s more laws will be for the chop by 2026. Labour are part of a cross-party alliance on the Freeports consortia in England  Scotland, and Wales. Drakeford knew of the dangers deregulated SEZs outside of the EU will bring, but went ahead and sold out Welsh communities under pressure from Westminster threatening councils with withdrawing funds if they didn’t back the Tory initiative of 86 SEZs. The MSM are now printing articles that Labour back ‘ports’ and Investment zones, the wording is crucial, you are being lied to, this is how Brexit is being forced to work, the UK is being carved up into tax havens, small states within states, these zones will fall prey to corporate governance, councils and all public services will be absorbed, then privatized.

[Iberian Red]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

So true Sproty. That would never,ever happen in Blighty or our dear old capital would it?
It seems you have a sixth sense with politics,
















or is that sick?