Louis Jones

[scawsby steve]

Upton and Camps. Name us one League 2 keeper who's better than Louie, within our wage structure, and up for availability soon.

In your own time.

Jackson Smith Walsall.

He's only played 8 games, and conceded 9 goals. What's your evidence based on?

I’ve seen improvements in Jones and I’m happy enough to see how he goes for the rest of the season, but if you’re just using goals conceded per game as your comparison then that (1.125 for Smith) is much better than Jones’ (1.44).

If you look at my revised post, with figures from Transfermarkt, Smith's overall stats are actually 1.47.

[DonnyOsmond]

Is 8 games a good yardstick to judge anyone's ability?

Not sure where you get your numbers from. He’s played 50 games.

Not for Walsall he hasn't. My numbers are from Transfermarkt, which is a reliable site. Go and check yourself.

The 8 games I quoted were league games from this season. He's also played some cup games, and played in 2 games on loan last season. His total stats for Walsall are 17 games played, 25 goals conceded.

Number of goals conceded depends largely on what's in front of you. He overperforms his expected goals against. Louis underperforms his.

[Campsall rover]

I agree with Scawsby Steve about the extreme way Mitchell was criticised and his weakness/indecision with his distribution. The fact that this is the main strength of Jones’s game is significant.

And I’m afraid that this is where my view differs. And those fans who like him seem to feel the need to nurture him which contrasts with the feelings they display towards other players who make mistakes. This is completely different from how they came down on Mitchell and other recent loan goalkeepers when they made very obvious blunders. But the fact that he seems likeable and a local academy product is very much in his favour.

He does not make very obvious blunders though because he takes no risks, preferring the safe options, like staying on his line and not even trying to dive or jump for balls which he thinks he cannot be sure to get to, or is too slow to even react to. Consequently the phrase “Jones had no chance” is frequently heard. I wonder how often it would be more appropriate to say “Jones gave himself no chance”. Reaction time is the key and he is slow in this respect. Is he really brave, another quality a GK needs? The evidence does not seem to be there. Nor do we see him organising the defence, imposing his presence. He often seems passive in dealing with crosses. He is frequently just behind the defenders flapping at the ball as it passes close by when perhaps he should be amongst them claiming it.

The best save I’ve seen him make recently was the decisive Wigan penalty. There he was able to decide in advance which way he was going to dive and he did so, simultaneously with the kick. As was reported, he “guessed” right.

That was my comment, not SS
I was replying to SS

Your summary of Louis Jones is the best one I have read on this forum. You are 100% correct imo on everything you have said.
As a goalkeeper myself ( yes 50 yrs ago ) I study keepers very closely and Louis is what I call a very passive goalkeeper.
I seriously wonder about Kyle Letheren’s coaching credentials.  If you look at his playing record it is not very
impressive.
That doesn’t in itself make him a poor coach of course but when I look at Jones and Lawlor I do wonder what he is working on with them in training.
Both have glaring weaknesses and I am seeing no improvement on those weaknesses as the season has progressed.
The fact is the saves Louie makes are ones he should be making as a professional footballer. It is what he doesn’t do well that is costing us goals week in week out. Yes it would help if we had a very commanding experienced centre back in front of him, that imo is without question.
A fully fit Richard Wood this season would have made a massive difference to our points tally and goal difference.

[ravenrover]

50 years ago at what level, for who? We may have played against each other

[Campsall rover]

50 years ago at what level, for who? We may have played against each other

Northern intermediate League for York City 1973/74

[ravenrover]

Nah best I managed back then was Yorkshire league with Broddie

[ncRover]

Upton and Camps. Name us one League 2 keeper who's better than Louie, within our wage structure, and up for availability soon.

In your own time.

Jackson Smith Walsall.

He turned down a contract offer from Walsall and has joined Barnsley on a 4 year deal.

Have to say, that was a very good shout.

[GazLaz]

Upton and Camps. Name us one League 2 keeper who's better than Louie, within our wage structure, and up for availability soon.

In your own time.

Jackson Smith Walsall.

He turned down a contract offer from Walsall and has joined Barnsley on a 4 year deal.

Have to say, that was a very good shout.

Thanks. Don’t think he was even playing for Walsall when I put that up.

Good, cheap players that nobody has even heard of are everywhere. They can be found without even leaving your bed if you wanted.


Any credit from Scawsby? In your own time…

[scawsby steve]

Upton and Camps. Name us one League 2 keeper who's better than Louie, within our wage structure, and up for availability soon.

In your own time.

Jackson Smith Walsall.

He turned down a contract offer from Walsall and has joined Barnsley on a 4 year deal.

Have to say, that was a very good shout.

Thanks. Don’t think he was even playing for Walsall when I put that up.

Good, cheap players that nobody has even heard of are everywhere. They can be found without even leaving your bed if you wanted.


Any credit from Scawsby? In your own time…

Well done, Gaz. Good call. Mind you, you're not one of the posters who continually slaughtered Louis after every game.

[Mustapha-Dump]

Appreciate that most of them were 6 months ago but some incredibly romantic opinions on this thread, TLT came in and reminded us of what a proper keeper is, nothing personal we just need to be aiming much higher than Jones if we want to be competitive. I dare say if we let him go it wouldn’t be to a league club, would be good for him to spend a season on loan in the conference I’d say and reevaluate from there