Relegation

[Sammy Chung was King]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

[ncRover]

Looks like Charlie Lakin is being a solid player for Sutton.

I’d have had him over this poor kid from Spurs.

[pib]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

[DonnyOsmond]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

And even though Blunt was the Chairman it would still have been Bramalls decisions as it's his money. He wasn't going to complain about JR spending all his money then bring in Blunt to do the same, he'll be supplying the overall strategy which Blunt has been following.

[NickDRFC]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

A good strategy always starts with a diagnosis of the current situation, and a bad strategy is usually characterised by a failure to grasp the challenge ahead. I’ve said it before but I think that even when it’s clear to the fans, those running the club are either unwilling or unable (or perhaps both) to recognise the fundamental structural issues that we have as an operation. It’s not going to be corrected until they have a serious and radical look at how we operate before putting a strategy in place to get us where they supposedly want us to be.

[Sammy Chung was King]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

It was a back patting episode of a meeting. Terry was talking about things and basically we had a bunch of nodding dogs, not daring to question the guy who has got the chequebook.
It needed a real change of direction to be announced at that meeting .

It showed me a glimpse of what it is like behind the scenes. That is why we are struggling. I suspect a lot of the football side have to sit on their hands, they see what needs doing but are stopped from doing what is needed.

[Chris Black come back]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

A good strategy always starts with a diagnosis of the current situation, and a bad strategy is usually characterised by a failure to grasp the challenge ahead. I’ve said it before but I think that even when it’s clear to the fans, those running the club don’t recognise the fundamental structural issues that we have as an operation. It’s not going to be corrected until they have a serious and radical look at how we operate before putting a strategy in place to get us where they supposedly want us to be.

Last time they did this it ended with Copps as head of footballing operations and his mate Danny Schofield as head coach.

[mpc123]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

[silent majority]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

The Shadow Board can't take on ownership of the club, it has employees and a board member of the club on it, and it doesn't even have a bank account,!

Fan ownership would fall to the trust, that's what its there for.

[drfchound]

Would the fans who sang “we’re f*kcing shit” today be allowed to buy into the club (out of their pocket money).

[mpc123]

Thank you SM, I think it's more about doing something, than where it comes from. Your right though, I don't properly understand that area.

We just need to change something now, it surely can only come from the fans.

[mpc123]

Would the fans who sang “we’re f*kcing shit” today be allowed to buy into the club (out of their pocket money).

Yes, they turn up and care don't they.

[Chris Black come back]

I’d have Uncle Ken dug up and back in charge before letting fans run the club. If you thought the questions at Meet The Owners events about cold chips and supporter bus parking too far from away grounds were absurd, you ain’t seem nothing yet.

If we do stay up I cannot imagine Terry will avoid doing some very radical surgery in how club is structured. He can’t think he has the answers himself so will need someone in there to stop this shit show. Above the manager.

[mpc123]

There is a middle ground, choosing the right fans to be in charge

[vaya]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

You're asking people in a deeply deprived area to purchase a club and (more importantly) continue to fund it. I doubt very much there's the ability out there to do this.

[Michael Shaw]

The fans who turned up paid good money to see good football. They didn't have to be there, so it is reasonable to assume they care. Did they get value for money and don't they have a right to an opinion?

[drfchound]

There is a middle ground, choosing the right fans to be in charge

It would need someone who knows everything and is never wrong as Chairman.

[mpc123]

There is a middle ground, choosing the right fans to be in charge

It would need someone who knows everything and is never wrong as Chairman.

There is a sarcasm piece, which you choose and a reality piece

[drfchound]

There is a middle ground, choosing the right fans to be in charge

It would need someone who knows everything and is never wrong as Chairman.

There is a sarcasm piece, which you choose and a reality piece

We really do need a tongue in cheek emoji made available to use.
Admin, any chance of adding one please.

[mpc123]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

You're asking people in a deeply deprived area to purchase a club and (more importantly) continue to fund it. I doubt very much there's the ability out there to do this.

Not really, 5000 fans together plus businesses, local business men together with VC's. Alternative is Terry and the right people.... personally the right people sounds like the problem. Drive, determination, pride, values, loyality, most importantly a love for the club...... we can over achieve like many do.

[mpc123]

There is a middle ground, choosing the right fans to be in charge

It would need someone who knows everything and is never wrong as Chairman.

There is a sarcasm piece, which you choose and a reality piece

We really do need a tongue in cheek emoji made available to use.
Admin, any chance of adding one please.

I understand drfchound. Tongue in cheek doesn't exist in the current state of the football team.

[Danmckay456]

If we have been struggling at left back and play Rowe there , why haven’t we gone in for cover rather than go top heavy we are leaking more than a broken tap

[vaya]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

You're asking people in a deeply deprived area to purchase a club and (more importantly) continue to fund it. I doubt very much there's the ability out there to do this.

Not really, 5000 fans together plus businesses, local business men together with VC's. Alternative is Terry and the right people.... personally the right people sounds like the problem. Drive, determination, pride, values, loyality, most importantly a love for the club...... we can over achieve like many do.

Fair enough. As a start point double the ticket prices. You can get a season ticket for £150-£200.

See what the reaction to that would be.

[RoversInSpain]

All the players just look the same to me in stature,  weak, lightweight, small, run about a lot as if that’s all required.
Are Carty Waters and Ironside all from the same family they look identical.
Biggins, Close, Craig identically weak and passive.
Hurst, wet paper bag cones to mind
Molyneux, turns up and does the same tricks every game, think the opponents have sussed you now
The experienced bunch need to go asap. their influence is killing the newer players.

Don’t even start on the defence, gutless and scared of getting hurt. They’re like astronauts lost in space.

Olowu, passes 3 yards then makes a useless sideways sprint to nowhere, just to get out of the way.
Etc etc etc



Watched pretty much every match in last 3 years and sadly this is the same as many others. Amazed how many people have just noticed we are crap on crosses.

[silent majority]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

You're asking people in a deeply deprived area to purchase a club and (more importantly) continue to fund it. I doubt very much there's the ability out there to do this.

Not really, 5000 fans together plus businesses, local business men together with VC's. Alternative is Terry and the right people.... personally the right people sounds like the problem. Drive, determination, pride, values, loyality, most importantly a love for the club...... we can over achieve like many do.

Of course its possible.

During my time in the fans movement in football, 25 years and counting, I've been involved in numerous clubs that have had full fan ownership, some that had some ownership, and some that eventually moved back to private ownership. Carlisle, Exeter, Grimsby, Wimbledon, Portsmouth etc are just a few.

[Michael Shaw]

Bramall sold the Keepmoat group for £783 million in 2007 owning 72% at the time. Not every club has an owner as wealthy as Bramall, not every club has a manager as good as McCann, and not every club is as well organised as Club Doncaster and yet so many other clubs do much better. We are sleep walking into the National League while the club and many fans are in denial. All we can do is go with the flow.

[pib]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

A good strategy always starts with a diagnosis of the current situation, and a bad strategy is usually characterised by a failure to grasp the challenge ahead. I’ve said it before but I think that even when it’s clear to the fans, those running the club are either unwilling or unable (or perhaps both) to recognise the fundamental structural issues that we have as an operation. It’s not going to be corrected until they have a serious and radical look at how we operate before putting a strategy in place to get us where they supposedly want us to be.

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

Look at us now. We’ve just thrown more money at it this window and doubled, tripled or maybe even quadrupled down on previous bad decisions. We now have a bloated squad with seemingly none of the characteristics we actually need.

It’s a 3 year long string of panic decisions, just making it up as we go along.

It needs serious re-thinking, but I expect as always we’ll get more sticking plasters.

[mpc123]

I wonder if we could move with the shadow board to take over now, the club is worth nothing, so talk of 20 million to buy is rubbish. Get the fans together, raise the funds and start building a real club again. All this shit of a great team behind sounds like rubbish. If you have full support and drive behind it makes a massive difference. There are many clubs with far less budgets doing far better. It seems many of the people running the club are in cloud cuckoo land. Even Grant sounds like he is not pressing the button with the players on we have to win against Sutton. There still seems to be an air of arrogance about the club. We seem to have lost humility and totally unaware of we are in a real relegation scrap.

You're asking people in a deeply deprived area to purchase a club and (more importantly) continue to fund it. I doubt very much there's the ability out there to do this.

Not really, 5000 fans together plus businesses, local business men together with VC's. Alternative is Terry and the right people.... personally the right people sounds like the problem. Drive, determination, pride, values, loyality, most importantly a love for the club...... we can over achieve like many do.

Fair enough. As a start point double the ticket prices. You can get a season ticket for £150-£200.

See what the reaction to that would be.

Never looked at the financial model, so not sure if that is required or not, I actually think that area would be covered at the club, it's tge remainder that's the problem.

There will be someone out there, with Terry's cash, fans cash, whoever cash, that can make the real difference.

That could be you, it could be me, it could be anybody...... but it needs looking at, very quickly. We have lost pure togetherness. SM already has mentioned the clubs and how it can make a difference long term or short term to stabilise and back to private. Its how much we want to change it now as fans. That doesn't mean we lose TB, but it may end up being, who knows.

[mpc123]

McCann had a way of playing last time he was here, he has no plan this time. He looks to have lost his managerial confidence-he doesn’t seem the same manager. You could say before, that the players he had then, are much better than what we have now. I see not one player he has improved since he came in. Every player isn’t performing to the level they are capable of.

We are very accepting as a group of fans, with the deterioration of our club. We are professional losers. Terry isn’t a football man. He’s a Doncaster businessman with obviously a good heart but isn’t the right person to lead the football side. It needs a youthful, full of ideas chairman that can drive this club.

Big red flag for me watching the MTO event was that nobody seemed to really speak of any sort of strategy or plan.

It was all a bit like “I’m the chairman now and I want us to improve” but no talk of how we are going to get there.

We’re rudderless.

A good strategy always starts with a diagnosis of the current situation, and a bad strategy is usually characterised by a failure to grasp the challenge ahead. I’ve said it before but I think that even when it’s clear to the fans, those running the club are either unwilling or unable (or perhaps both) to recognise the fundamental structural issues that we have as an operation. It’s not going to be corrected until they have a serious and radical look at how we operate before putting a strategy in place to get us where they supposedly want us to be.

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

Look at us now. We’ve just thrown more money at it this window and doubled, tripled or maybe even quadrupled down on previous bad decisions. We now have a bloated squad with seemingly none of the characteristics we actually need.

It’s a 3 year long string of panic decisions, just making it up as we go along.

It needs serious re-thinking, but I expect as always we’ll get more sticking plasters.

...... maybe we do have sensible people that understand.

A strategy, drive and the end goal..... more importantly execution. It seems we don't have any of those.

[mushRTID]

Slept on this, we’re still in a position it can be saved with the right decisions now.

Survival action plan, I hope urgent meetings are being held;

1 - sign a goalkeeper. Like we should have done properly in the summer. Throw money at it if required.

2 - As somebody said, try and keep Wood fit, him and Bailey at CB. Maxwell has to start.

3 - Keep Molyneux away from the side. He’s useless and it’s hurting us.

4 - Decide on a midfield and stick with it. Stop changing it. Hurst shouldn’t be starting. Craig shouldn’t be starting. They are not players built for the pressure of what is going to come.

Ironside, Waters and Adelakun as the front 3 if that’s the way he wants to play.