George Galloway MP

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

I wonder where Galloway got his inspiration for the "two cheeks of the same backside" quip from?

https://twitter.com/antelava/status/1131838636591386626

There he is. Proud socialist. Supporter of the oppressed Muslims. Man of the people. With a white supremacist far right ex-investment banker and author of "Destroying the Great Satan: The Rise of Islamic Facism". (sic)

[belton rover]

I could listen to Galloway speaking all day. I agree with some of what he says, I disagree with lots.
Either way, he is, as Scawsby says, an oratory genius.
If Starmer had an ounce of this skill, a skill that is crucial in his position, then he might be taken seriously by more people.

[scawsby steve]

SS.

I wonder where Galloway got his inspiration for the "two cheeks of the same backside" quip from?

https://twitter.com/antelava/status/1131838636591386626

There he is. Proud socialist. Supporter of the oppressed Muslims. Man of the people. With a white supremacist far right ex-investment banker and author of "Destroying the Great Satan: The Rise of Islamic Facism". (sic)

BST, Galloway stands up, rightly or wrongly, for Muslims. He's also pledged to try and help Rochdale FC. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

What does Starmer stand up for? What are his policies on anything? What is he going to do differently to the current motley crew?

[danumdon]

Starmer being put on notice, those fence splinters are becoming bloody great wedges.

Why do i get the distinct impression that this fella just cannot read the room?

Not sure how you come to that conclusion, given that Labour did not field a candidate in the by election

I didn't mention the discredited Labour candidate,

Seems Starmer is not the only one who cannot read the room.

So if labour don't stand any candidates in the GE they'll lose, is that the logic here?

Starmer being put on notice, those fence splinters are becoming bloody great wedges.

Why do i get the distinct impression that this fella just cannot read the room?

Tories came third - to an Independent who didn't even know he could post leaflets out - with their biggest ever fall of the Tory vote in a Labour constituency and Reform candidtae lost his deposit.

Yup, seems a few people can't read the room.

Apologies to Mr Danczuk who with 6.3% of the vote did indeed keep his deposit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/01/labour-at-risk-of-taking-muslim-voters-for-granted-says-thinktank-rochdale-byelection


Seems quite a few of you completely missed the point of my post this morning,

It wasn't about the discredited racist Labour candidate or the position of where anyone else came in the election, it wasn't even about anyone in the actual election vote.

It was about the Labour party, a party readying itself for government having completely alienated an electorate and a demographic that would always vote for them.

Its about a tin eared party leader who cannot see the wood for the trees in his dealings with sensitive situations, managing to look so bad as to make an extremist like Galloway look presidential and speaking for the people of a town that Starmer does not give two hoots for bar having it as a Labour seat.

This badly advised and focus group junkie who has the convictions of a coward can make a situation like Rochdale into a badly publicised horror show and allow feelings of mistrust and downright disgust to prevail in the populace. In effect he shows all and sundry what the UK will look like under his deluded regime.

This country has had its fill of charlatans and just base incompetents, to have to look forward to some brought and paid for shrill attempting to instil his version of disaster on us all is really going to be something to look forward too.

If he and his minions can create this Rochdale farce just think what he can do when let loose on the whole nation?

Lucky us!

Given that you have inflicted on this country, austerity, the economic chaos of Brexit, Johnson, Truss & Sunak - forgive us for ignoring your proselytizing.

And No, I dont think I read your post wrong. You just didn't like my answer.

Totally clueless old fella,

Not sure where you get that I inflicted anything on this country?, seems like you get plenty of things wrong

[MachoMadness]

There's a reason Galloway is great at getting elected, but less so at staying elected.

I don't go for this horseshoe theory cack at all but he is similar to Johnson in a lot of ways. Which makes it more odd that his election is beyond the pale, but Johnson and Truss being made PM is the sign of a normal healthy democracy.

[danumdon]

Not sure you will find too many on here who were over enamoured with either Johnson or Truss or even Sunak while were at it.

Im also struggling to think back to when we did have some form of normal, healthy democracy.


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UK public faith in political parties fell sharply in 2023, cementing their reputation as the country’s least-trusted institution, according to official data that highlights the challenges for politicians ahead of the general election expected this year.

Only 12 per cent of the British public said they trusted political parties, down from 20 per cent in the same survey run in 2022, the Office for National Statistics said on Friday. Approximately 68 per cent said they distrusted political parties.

Political parties were the least trusted of any UK public institution, as they were in 2022. In contrast, some 62 per cent of people surveyed by the ONS in 2023 said they had faith in the judicial system, 56 per cent trusted the police and 45 per cent trusted the civil service.
Bar chart of Levels of trust in public institutions, UK, 2023, % of adults showing Few British people have faith in political parties

The drop in trust “is very serious because this is what liberal democracy is about”, said Tony Travers, professor in the department of government at the London School of Economics.

He attributed the fall in trust to the political chaos surrounding the premierships of former Conservative leaders Boris Johnson and Liz Truss along with factional infighting within the governing Tory party.

Travers also highlighted the cost of living crisis and long NHS waiting lists. There is a “sense that government and I think politics, endlessly over promises and under delivers”, he said.

The data comes as the controversial left-winger George Galloway won a by-election in Rochdale after a chaotic campaign where Labour, which had held the seat, withdrew support from its candidate after he made incendiary comments about Israel.

The ONS figures chime with data reported at the end of last year by the market research company Ipsos, which found trust in politicians had reached its lowest score in 40 years in 2023.

Just 9 per cent of the British public said they trusted politicians to tell the truth, down from 12 per cent in 2022, the lowest score since records began in 1983, making it the least-trusted profession in Britain, according to Ipsos.

The ONS data also showed that the proportion of adults trusting the UK government was down from 35 per cent to 27 per cent between 2022 and 2023. Trust in parliament was down 10 percentage points to 24 per cent over the same period.

“These are institutions that are the very bedrock of democracy and the fall in trust is something that all political parties need to think about,” said Travers.

[tyke1962]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

[BillyStubbsTears]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

What? Like hugging Steve Bannon and denying that the Bucha massacre took place? He just does that to bait the Libs does he?

You still calling yourself a socialist?

[ncRover]

SS.

I wonder where Galloway got his inspiration for the "two cheeks of the same backside" quip from?

https://twitter.com/antelava/status/1131838636591386626

There he is. Proud socialist. Supporter of the oppressed Muslims. Man of the people. With a white supremacist far right ex-investment banker and author of "Destroying the Great Satan: The Rise of Islamic Facism". (sic)

BST, Galloway stands up, rightly or wrongly, for Muslims. He's also pledged to try and help Rochdale FC. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

What does Starmer stand up for? What are his policies on anything? What is he going to do differently to the current motley crew?

I think Starmer has bigger fish to fry than the future of Rochdale AFC Steve.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's a reason Galloway is great at getting elected, but less so at staying elected.

I don't go for this horseshoe theory cack at all but he is similar to Johnson in a lot of ways. Which makes it more odd that his election is beyond the pale, but Johnson and Truss being made PM is the sign of a normal healthy democracy.

You don't buy the Horseshoe theory?

Who do you reckon Stalin was closer to? Hitler or Clem Attlee?

Or, more up to date, what about the ideological trajectories of Mick Hume and Claire Fox?

Or the remnants of the CPGB and others like the useful idiots in Stop The War now tacitly or openly supporting Putin's war aims?

[tyke1962]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

What? Like hugging Steve Bannon and denying that the Bucha massacre took place? He just does that to bait the Libs does he?

You still calling yourself a socialist?

Clearly he gets under your skin though doesn't he .

Your a bit wide open tonight Billy aren't you .

Furthest to the Right the Labour Party's ever positioned itself and your as moist as a 14 year old schoolboy with a porn mag .

[MachoMadness]

As the saying goes, it's called horseshoe theory because you need to be hit with one to believe in it. It's b*llocks, completely unsuited to modern politics which is rife with ideologically muddled people who have socialist economic views and quite hard right social views, and vice versa.

Fish hook theory is more accurate but still mostly hyperbolic nonsense. But it is true that, if faced with a binary choice between the hard right and soft left, the centre will more often than not indulge and enable the hard right, possibly while wringing their hands and tutting, but still.

Clare Fox and her shit mates from Spiked being left wing grifters who became right wing grifters sort of pales in comparison to the very real harm done by the way the centre have indulged the far right in this country.

Having to go back to Hitler and Stalin for a real example for what feels like the millionth time sort of proves that enough. How did Hitler end up in power anyway?

[SydneyRover]

From #21 DD

''It wasn't about the discredited racist Labour candidate or the position of where anyone else came in the election, it wasn't even about anyone in the actual election vote.

It was about the Labour party, a party readying itself for government having completely alienated an electorate and a demographic that would always vote for them''

What do you want dd? Maybe it's about time you put your marker down and explained in plain english and hopefully fairly concise what you want a party to be.

[tyke1962]

As the saying goes, it's called horseshoe theory because you need to be hit with one to believe in it. It's b*llocks, completely unsuited to modern politics which is rife with ideologically muddled people who have socialist economic views and quite hard right social views, and vice versa.

Fish hook theory is more accurate but still mostly hyperbolic nonsense. But it is true that, if faced with a binary choice between the hard right and soft left, the centre will more often than not indulge and enable the hard right, possibly while wringing their hands and tutting, but still.

Clare Fox and her shit mates from Spiked being left wing grifters who became right wing grifters sort of pales in comparison to the very real harm done by the way the centre have indulged the far right in this country.

Having to go back to Hitler and Stalin for a real example for what feels like the millionth time sort of proves that enough. How did Hitler end up in power anyway?

I'd go left and right seriously disillusioned and the only show in town is centrist apathy .

[BillyStubbsTears]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

What? Like hugging Steve Bannon and denying that the Bucha massacre took place? He just does that to bait the Libs does he?

You still calling yourself a socialist?

Clearly he gets under your skin though doesn't he .

Your a bit wide open tonight Billy aren't you .

Furthest to the Right the Labour Party's ever positioned itself and your as moist as a 14 year old schoolboy with a porn mag .

Aye. Fascist enablers to tend to get under my skin. Whereas you appear to be besotted with this one.

[SydneyRover]

It's hard to know where tyky sits aye

4/4/2020  tyke on Starmer

''As far as I can see he's got to the very top of the Labour Party without making a single enemy .

Crown and public prosecutions top man and knighted for his services .

Working class kid whose rose to the top through study and hard work .

The classic pull yourself up by your bootstraps that the Tories are so fond of telling the electorate''

[ncRover]

Far-right and far-left overlap

- Mistrust of mainstream media
- Anti-globalist
- Anti-intervention in foreign affairs / wars
- Us versus “the elites”
- Prone to conspiracies

[SydneyRover]

It's hard to know where tyky sits aye

4/4/2020  tyke on Starmer

''As far as I can see he's got to the very top of the Labour Party without making a single enemy .

Crown and public prosecutions top man and knighted for his services .

Working class kid whose rose to the top through study and hard work .

The classic pull yourself up by your bootstraps that the Tories are so fond of telling the electorate''

''The wild wind is rising
It whispers my name
With promises made of tomorrow
As sure as the darkness will swallow the day
Where the wind blows, I will follow''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa9q8Nr3cGg

[tyke1962]

It's hard to know where tyky sits aye

4/4/2020  tyke on Starmer

''As far as I can see he's got to the very top of the Labour Party without making a single enemy .

Crown and public prosecutions top man and knighted for his services .

Working class kid whose rose to the top through study and hard work .

The classic pull yourself up by your bootstraps that the Tories are so fond of telling the electorate''

Nowt hard about it Sydney , whilst you may be incapable of thinking due to your rabid tribalism .

When the facts change so do opinions and they may change again if he makes a good fist as PM as unlikely as that is right now .

[SydneyRover]

tyke from the same comment ..................

''So much so I'll rejoin the party and do my bit .

Congratulations to Keir''

[SydneyRover]

When did you resign from the labour party tyke 1963?

asking for a friend

[tyke1962]

As many have said George is a great orator and can put a good debate together , the way he defended himself in Washington all those years ago when summoned by a Senate committee was genius .

I just think he enjoys pyssing off the Labour Party to be honest and would probably do and say almost anything to accomplish that .

What? Like hugging Steve Bannon and denying that the Bucha massacre took place? He just does that to bait the Libs does he?

You still calling yourself a socialist?

Clearly he gets under your skin though doesn't he .

Your a bit wide open tonight Billy aren't you .

Furthest to the Right the Labour Party's ever positioned itself and your as moist as a 14 year old schoolboy with a porn mag .

Aye. Fascist enablers to tend to get under my skin. Whereas you appear to be besotted with this one.

Your a bit salty this evening Billy , I'm neither besotted with Galloway nor dislike him .

Cheer up Billy your party will be running the country soon enough and you can look forward to Utopia .

When the five years is up we'll probably fall well short of fascism , Suella isn't that far right so lighten up a bit .

[drfchound]

It's hard to know where tyky sits aye

4/4/2020  tyke on Starmer

''As far as I can see he's got to the very top of the Labour Party without making a single enemy .

Crown and public prosecutions top man and knighted for his services .

Working class kid whose rose to the top through study and hard work .

The classic pull yourself up by your bootstraps that the Tories are so fond of telling the electorate''

Nowt hard about it Sydney , whilst you may be incapable of thinking due to your rabid tribalism .

When the facts change so do opinions and they may change again if he makes a good fist as PM as unlikely as that is right now .

Too right about time changing opinions tyke.
Good grief, I can remember several posters on here backing Corbyn to the hilt, then post the 2019 GE humiliation denouncing him an idiot and a disgrace to the Party.
Aye.
 

[tyke1962]

When did you resign from the labour party tyke 1963?

asking for a friend

That's a lie for a start , you couldn't possibly have any friends .

I never joined at all in the end , I think the bit where Keith said he was building on the work started by Corbyn only to do the opposite might have had something to do with it .

[SydneyRover]

When did you resign from the labour party tyke 1963?

asking for a friend

That's a lie for a start , you couldn't possibly have any friends .

I never joined at all in the end , I think the bit where Keith said he was building on the work started by Corbyn only to do the opposite might have had something to do with it .

So, you call Starmer out but can't keep your own word, sort of a fair weather friend.

How many heroes can you have

corbyn, starmer, mick (grow up) lynch and now galloway ............... for a couple of weeks at least aye?

oops forgot about andy burnham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuf_SPvX-Y

[wilts rover]

People celebrating the election of an anti-semitic, pro-Putin, anti-NATO, terrorist sympathiser into the UK Parliament.

Be careful you don't get what you wish for.

[SydneyRover]

from the parrot 4/4/2020

''IMO Starmer is the best choice for leader of the Labour Party.
He speaks well and will probably give them a chance at the next GE''

[Pancho Regan]

"Sunak and Starmer are two cheeks of the same backside, and it's been well and truly spanked tonight".

Oratory genius. Well done George.

Rumours are carried by haters, spread by fools & accepted by idiots’.

You need to brush up on your semantics. The first part of that sentence isn't a rumour, it's an opinion. The second part is a fact.

Also, I'm neither an idiot, nor a fool.

You could have fooled me.

To be so besotted by danumdon’s post, you must be one or the other.

[belton rover]

Sydney. This trawling through the archives makes for really interesting reading, a bit creepy mind, but interesting.
If anyone was in any doubt that Starmer has lost all credibility over the last four years, they won’t be now.
Was that your intention?

[Bentley Bullet]

By god, there are some f**king bad losers on this forum. It's like 2016 all over again.

Revote anyone?