Another PM going?

[SydneyRover]

''Hi, I am a refugee from the late YAURS and look forward to sharing some of my 'dreams', along with having some help in settling one or two 'arguments' that may crop up.:dry:''

[Colemans Left Hook]

That's it BB.
Despite the mountain ofdocumented evidence people put on here that shows what a shit show this government is and has been for the last 14 years you still think Labour will be worse.
A bunch of chimpanzees couldn't do worse.
They've got everything, every big decision wrong, wrong, wrong.
Which is why I and millions of others are on a years long NHS waiting list.
It's why we have the roads of a third world country.
It's why schools are falling down and underfunded.
It's why millions are on zero contract minimum wage.
It's why dentist are going private.
It's why councils are going bankrupt.
It's why social care is on its knees.
It's why our National debt is 98%, of GDP.
It's why inflation rocketed and consequently interest rates rose to a level where people's mortgages rocketed too.
It's why there are thousands and thousands of homeless people.
Some record that.
The sioner they're gone the better. Never to return if I had owt to do with it.

i presume the above is a "cut and paste job" although as such I can't find it

every country has problems pfukking Germany is in recession - screwed up train network etc etc and every country has lots of the above and life is

only going to get worse  -- so much that happens in Europe goes unreported here.

 

No all mine. I'll leave the cut and pasting to you on planet Coleman. & the Socialist Patronizing cut and Paste merchants ( one in particular winning by a distance)

Mrs Coleman was just saying about how patronizing socialists are
 

[tyke1962]

The Labour Party need to solve why it is we are paying ever increasing taxes and yet we have third world services .

Whose got the money ?

Because it's ending up somewhere .

[ravenrover]

I blame BST for possessing all that genius and wasting it on a fourth-division off-topic football forum. We could now all be living in great wealth, with no NHS waiting lists, instant doctor appointments, no illegal immigration, no crime etc, if only he ran the country.

.....But what does he do? He wastes his entire time on this forum telling everybody to vote for a wet lettuce instead.

Would that wet lettuce last longer than the  previous PM as well?

I hope not RR. If you think we're in a state now wait till Starmer gets in. This is only the tip of the iceberg.

I see what you did there :-]]

[BillyStubbsTears]

Got it BST. Global issue (financial crisis) = free pass for labour. Global issue (Pandemic) = beat the Tories. Don’t you ever get embarrassed at your double standards?

I don't know why you have to do this, because you're smarter than this.

I do NOT and never have blamed the Tories for the economic dislocation due to COVID. Why on earth would you suggest I had?

I do however, blame them for the economic dislocation due to:
Austerity
Brexit
Trussonomics

Point?

[Not Now Kato]

how many times do we need to remind you

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/175749/Labour-There-s-no-money-left-in-Treasury

Was going to post that missen Filo.
An old chestnut that the Tories got gullible people to believe.

Fixed that for you TT

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't particularly rate Sunak. He is slow to read developing political problems and both his economic and social policies are horrendous. He's fully signed up to the Culture War front that the Tory Right are insisting on.

But.

I'm not sure anyone could have done better.

The Tories simply do not have a functional economic policy to offer to the country.

They don't have any positive philosophy of society to offer.

They clung on to Brexit, not from any philosophical principle, but because it served their electoral purposes. It allowed them to divide their opponents and sweep to power in 2019.

But now that's done (well, it isn't, and never will be, but that's irrelevant now - the anti-EU folk got their dopamine hit when we formally left) they have nothing left other than full on foreigner/immigrant/non-tradional sexuality bashing.

That's not Sunak's fault. He's just the one left holding the reins of the hollowed out husk of what used to be a proud political party.

The next few years are truly existential for the Tories. They cannot exist as a serious party by only appealing to bigots and racists. But they have to find something else to offer. And personally, I don't see anything.

As I say, that's not Sunak's fault. But I don't see any sign of him being able to solve it.

Talking about how existential the crisis is for the Tory party.

There was a YouGov poll out last week. The total number of people below the age of 50 who said they would vote Tory if there was an Election tomorrow was SEVEN per-cent.

They have spent 14 years in power offering precisely nothing to that demographic. They are going to pay for that for the next 3-4 decades.

[Sprotyrover]

I don't particularly rate Sunak. He is slow to read developing political problems and both his economic and social policies are horrendous. He's fully signed up to the Culture War front that the Tory Right are insisting on.

But.

I'm not sure anyone could have done better.

The Tories simply do not have a functional economic policy to offer to the country.

They don't have any positive philosophy of society to offer.

They clung on to Brexit, not from any philosophical principle, but because it served their electoral purposes. It allowed them to divide their opponents and sweep to power in 2019.

But now that's done (well, it isn't, and never will be, but that's irrelevant now - the anti-EU folk got their dopamine hit when we formally left) they have nothing left other than full on foreigner/immigrant/non-tradional sexuality bashing.

That's not Sunak's fault. He's just the one left holding the reins of the hollowed out husk of what used to be a proud political party.

The next few years are truly existential for the Tories. They cannot exist as a serious party by only appealing to bigots and racists. But they have to find something else to offer. And personally, I don't see anything.

As I say, that's not Sunak's fault. But I don't see any sign of him being able to solve it.

Talking about how existential the crisis is for the Tory party.

There was a YouGov poll out last week. The total number of people below the age of 50 who said they would vote Tory if there was an Election tomorrow was SEVEN per-cent.

They have spent 14 years in power offering precisely nothing to that demographic. They are going to pay for that for the next 3-4 decades.

We are due a change of Government, but I predict that if we have a Labour government we will see all of the loonies come out from under the Rug and there will be a power battle , Starmer and Reeves and the other sensible will be severely hindered by all of this, which will make the monumental task of Social reform impossible due to the complete lack of any leeway in the very tight fiscal situation that the country is in!

[SydneyRover]

There are more loonies in the country than those that are sane, sprot?

[ncRover]

The Conservatives will be so insignificant that the main political and cultural opposition to Labour will come from further left.

[Colemans Left Hook]

seismic change in the odds today on who's next leader



happy days

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't particularly rate Sunak. He is slow to read developing political problems and both his economic and social policies are horrendous. He's fully signed up to the Culture War front that the Tory Right are insisting on.

But.

I'm not sure anyone could have done better.

The Tories simply do not have a functional economic policy to offer to the country.

They don't have any positive philosophy of society to offer.

They clung on to Brexit, not from any philosophical principle, but because it served their electoral purposes. It allowed them to divide their opponents and sweep to power in 2019.

But now that's done (well, it isn't, and never will be, but that's irrelevant now - the anti-EU folk got their dopamine hit when we formally left) they have nothing left other than full on foreigner/immigrant/non-tradional sexuality bashing.

That's not Sunak's fault. He's just the one left holding the reins of the hollowed out husk of what used to be a proud political party.

The next few years are truly existential for the Tories. They cannot exist as a serious party by only appealing to bigots and racists. But they have to find something else to offer. And personally, I don't see anything.

As I say, that's not Sunak's fault. But I don't see any sign of him being able to solve it.

Talking about how existential the crisis is for the Tory party.

There was a YouGov poll out last week. The total number of people below the age of 50 who said they would vote Tory if there was an Election tomorrow was SEVEN per-cent.

They have spent 14 years in power offering precisely nothing to that demographic. They are going to pay for that for the next 3-4 decades.

And it just gets worse for the Tories.

They tried the NI bribe in the Budget and they've gone done still further in the polls.

https://x.com/lara_spirit/status/1770685592264700387?s=20

I'm sure this is an outlier and they aren't really on 19%, but look at the trends.

They were already struggling when Johnson got hoyed out. Then they lost 5-10% support to Labour after they elected an insane woman as PM for a Clough-night.

Now the racists and bigots that they kept hold of even through that are deserting them and going to Farage.

This is certainly an existential crisis for the Tories. How do they reclaim both the people who think they are batshit, and the people who think they aren't batshit enough?

[SydneyRover]

I guess because this is what people want ...........

''Blow for Sunak’s budget plan as fewer than 1 in 5 Tory voters want tax cuts if it means public spending cuts''

''23 Feb 2024 — Rishi Sunak's hopes of enticing voters with a tax giveaway have been dealt a major blow as new polling by the Fairness Foundation revealed ...''

the independent

[BillyStubbsTears]

The obvious endgame for the Tories is to merge with Reform.

That poll puts combined Tory-Reform support at 34%, which is competitive.


But you'd think that there's a decent chunk of moderate Tory supporters who would be appalled at voting for Farage policies and would look elsewhere. All the more reason why Labour has to be attractive to centre-Right switchers. The nightmare scenario for the country is a Farage-far right Tory party getting into power and going down the Orban route in Hungary. Pro-Russia, anti-democracy, beating down on dissent and the courts.

[Axholme Lion]

BRING IT ON. THIS WILL BE THE ENDGAME AFTER ONE TERM OF LIEBOUR GOVERNMENT.   

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh eh up. Our resident fascist is back.

[ncRover]

The obvious endgame for the Tories is to merge with Reform.

That poll puts combined Tory-Reform support at 34%, which is competitive.


But you'd think that there's a decent chunk of moderate Tory supporters who would be appalled at voting for Farage policies and would look elsewhere. All the more reason why Labour has to be attractive to centre-Right switchers. The nightmare scenario for the country is a Farage-far right Tory party getting into power and going down the Orban route in Hungary. Pro-Russia, anti-democracy, beating down on dissent and the courts.

By endgame do you mean before an election or afterwards? Would a slight shift to the right in Kemi Badenoch attract Reform voters back?

In the recent Portuguese election the centre-right party won by a minority. But they have refused to form a coalition with the far-right party.

Perhaps Iberian can tell us what went wrong with the outgoing centre-left government and why the far-right have grown so much there.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I mean after the election NC.

The plotters have shot their bolt before the election. If they were going to get rid of Sunak, they should have done it last week when he was caving in. He's called their bluff.

Meanwhile, the drift to Reform continues.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1770790092078026995

[Iberian Red]

The obvious endgame for the Tories is to merge with Reform.

That poll puts combined Tory-Reform support at 34%, which is competitive.


But you'd think that there's a decent chunk of moderate Tory supporters who would be appalled at voting for Farage policies and would look elsewhere. All the more reason why Labour has to be attractive to centre-Right switchers. The nightmare scenario for the country is a Farage-far right Tory party getting into power and going down the Orban route in Hungary. Pro-Russia, anti-democracy, beating down on dissent and the courts.

By endgame do you mean before an election or afterwards? Would a slight shift to the right in Kemi Badenoch attract Reform voters back?

In the recent Portuguese election the centre-right party won by a minority. But they have refused to form a coalition with the far-right party.

Perhaps Iberian can tell us what went wrong with the outgoing centre-left government and why the far-right have grown so much there.

NC,
I'll get back to you when I have more time.,I have no answers only opinion. There hasn't been a dramatic rise to the right tho!!
Anyway, I'm in the middle of a bit of Fado at the mo