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Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
Quote from: Bessie Red on March 27, 2024, 11:21:36 amMyself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.Demanding a referendum every time there's a potential change in kit design is probably going a bit too far.
Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
Quote from: Herman Hessian on March 27, 2024, 12:40:00 pmwhole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
Quote from: Bessie Red on March 27, 2024, 01:35:34 pmQuote from: Herman Hessian on March 27, 2024, 12:40:00 pmwhole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.on a superficial level, yes - but for anyone who cares to consider the background of these things before getting disproportionately triggered, the cross of St George is about as english as a vietnamese pot-bellied pig...
Quote from: Bessie Red on March 27, 2024, 01:35:34 pmQuote from: Herman Hessian on March 27, 2024, 12:40:00 pmwhole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.on a superficial level, yes - but for anyone who cares to consider the background of these things before getting disproportionately triggered, the cross of St George is about as english as a vietnamese pot-bellied pig...
Quote from: Herman Hessian on March 27, 2024, 12:40:00 pmwhole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
Do adults wear replica kit? Lots of kids do but grown adults? Amazing.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on March 28, 2024, 01:35:00 pmDo adults wear replica kit? Lots of kids do but grown adults? Amazing.Plenty of grown ups do mate.Look around the Eco at home games.
Who mentioned full kit gloster.A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.
Quote from: drfchound on March 28, 2024, 03:44:13 pmWho mentioned full kit gloster.A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.I have.. early seasons in the KM, SW corner. Two brothers in their mid 20s (?) in full kit. Always arrived late and left early for ht drinking.. sometimes missed all the second half.
Quote from: IDM on March 28, 2024, 04:12:41 pmQuote from: drfchound on March 28, 2024, 03:44:13 pmWho mentioned full kit gloster.A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.I have.. early seasons in the KM, SW corner. Two brothers in their mid 20s (?) in full kit. Always arrived late and left early for ht drinking.. sometimes missed all the second half.Are you sure they weren’t on the pitch for the second half.
Quote from: MachoMadness on March 28, 2024, 02:14:05 pmNo one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit.
No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on March 28, 2024, 02:35:46 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on March 28, 2024, 02:14:05 pmNo one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit. I can assure you my life's not shit but I still believe a nations flag should not be tampered with by a global conglomerate and try & then brush it of by saying its just a playful update! They can keep their playful update and shove it where the sun dont shine!!
Quote from: MachoMadness on March 28, 2024, 02:14:05 pmNo one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit.
No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.