General Election

[KeithMyath]

We had one to vote for but labour were certainly not wanting to win the seat. The last labour candidate from 2019 who I voted for actually backed the Lib Dem candidate this election,  that finally got rid of Scott Mann.

We had 7 letters/leaflets put through our door by the lib dems. We had one from the cons, and that delivered by mistake as  was addressed to another house. Nothing from anyone else. It's clear the lib Dems were gunning for this area and labour were hardly ever going to land a blow.

Very True

A lot of seats that Lib dem won were not contested at all by Labour, as was the case here in North Cornwall. So Lib dem got my vote. I would say a large % of lib dem voters were tactical so hard to gauge what would have been the Labour vote share if that had not been the case. I saw on some of the stats that in held labour seats, labour lost a lot of votes to Reform, so it's not all one way.

We have to remember that people vote tactically in certain seats. Vote share % isn’t necessarily an accurate idea of how popular certain parties are.

Brilliant result for the Lib Dems, which I think is being overlooked on here.

I'm not sure what you mean Keith.

I'm in the North Cornwall constituency and I'm certain we had a labour candidate to vote for.

[tommy toes]

Did anyone watch the BBC coverage on election night. Clive Myree was so out of his depth, started off trying to be clued up, then confused until he decided to try to be a comedian. Hopeless.
He even made the sour faced Tory apologist Kuennsberg look competent.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did anyone watch the BBC coverage on election night. Clive Myree was so out of his depth, started off trying to be clued up, then confused until he decided to try to be a comedian. Hopeless.
He even made the sour faced Tory apologist Kuennsberg look competent.

They were both absolutely dreadful.

They are the perfect examples of political journalists who have only a superficial knowledge of political facts, theory and history. They play it as light entertainment.

Then you wonder why we get shit politicians. Imagine being a serious political thinker who has to deal with these lightweight but influential w**kers.

[Bentley Bullet]

Did anyone watch the BBC coverage on election night. Clive Myree was so out of his depth, started off trying to be clued up, then confused until he decided to try to be a comedian. Hopeless.
He even made the sour faced Tory apologist Kuennsberg look competent.

I reckon it's out-of-their-depth politicians you should be more worried about, than the presenters.

Besides, why would you watch such a 'Right-wing biased' channel in the first place?

[tommy toes]

Can’t resist it can you BB?

[Bentley Bullet]

Can’t resist it can you BB?

No

[Colemans Left Hook]

One of the predictions was that Duncan Smith had a 99% chance of losing his seat - I think that the BBC who said that

[tommy toes]

The national swing to Labour from the Tories was 10.8%.
The swing in Doncaster East was around 14.5%. If it had been 10.8% then Fletcher would have held on.
So it appears that the mass canvassing support from Doncaster Central (me included) had a successful outcome.
If I don’t do owt else in the rest of me sad life I can take comfort that I helped to get that person out of office.
The word is however, that he’s going to stand against Ros Jones in the next Mayoral election.
So more work to do then.

[albie]

One of the predictions was that Duncan Smith had a 99% chance of losing his seat - I think that the BBC who said that

IDS has only kept his seat because Labour prevented Faiza Shaheen standing as the official candidate, and the anti IDS vote was split.
A peculiar decision from Starmer, but I suppose he wanted to avoid having an economist critical of the guff Reeves keeps spouting on the team.

[SydneyRover]

The national swing to Labour from the Tories was 10.8%.
The swing in Doncaster East was around 14.5%. If it had been 10.8% then Fletcher would have held on.
So it appears that the mass canvassing support from Doncaster Central (me included) had a successful outcome.
If I don’t do owt else in the rest of me sad life I can take comfort that I helped to get that person out of office.
The word is however, that he’s going to stand against Ros Jones in the next Mayoral election.
So more work to do then.

I appreciate the work that you and the others do (from afar) recently we caught up with friends who's son was a candidate for labour in 2010 and now a councillor in south London, they had just attended a meet and greet/thankyou with Starmer and Raynor kissing babies etc they echoed your sentiments that AR whom they had a chat with that was warm and genuine.

[drfchound]

One of the predictions was that Duncan Smith had a 99% chance of losing his seat - I think that the BBC who said that

IDS has only kept his seat because Labour prevented Faiza Shaheen standing as the official candidate, and the anti IDS vote was split.
A peculiar decision from Starmer, but I suppose he wanted to avoid having an economist critical of the guff Reeves keeps spouting on the team.

On the subject of Shaheen, I seem to recall that bst wrote to the LP to threaten his resignation should they not reinstate Shaheen and allow her to stand.
He appears to have rowed back on that position.

[ravenrover]

You need to read all his posts since then Hound

[Donnywolf]

Dame Therese Coffey ffs

[drfchound]

You need to read all his posts since then Hound

Crikey, that will be a big job.
That kind of suggests that he has changed his mind, which I had expected when Starmer didn’t change his mind and bring her back.

[Colemans Left Hook]

One of the predictions was that Duncan Smith had a 99% chance of losing his seat - I think that the BBC who said that

IDS has only kept his seat because Labour prevented Faiza Shaheen standing as the official candidate, and the anti IDS vote was split.
A peculiar decision from Starmer, but I suppose he wanted to avoid having an economist critical of the guff Reeves keeps spouting on the team.

On the subject of Shaheen, I seem to recall that bst wrote to the LP to threaten his resignation should they not reinstate Shaheen and allow her to stand.
He appears to have rowed back on that position.

Same with Diane Abbot  etc etc -- empty cans make the most noise . A pair of scissors would be needed to cut up the member card (if you actually have one) you simply can't tear one even if you believe you have the strength of Hercules  and think you are "above everyone on this site"

That "mouse jiggler" of yours is certainly taking some stick  must be nearly worn out

[SydneyRover]

Roll on the start of the season

[albie]

Tommy Toes,

"The national swing to Labour from the Tories was 10.8%."
How do you come to that conclusion?

The important thing is surely the underlying trend.

Tories lost votes to Reform, and also lost votes to stay at home refuseniks.....these are not vote transfers direct to Labour.
If anything, there is a move to the right in these figures.

Labour increased their share of votes cast by only 1.6% on 2019, in the context of a lower overall turnout.
Some red wall voters returned as expected, after a brief affair with Johnson, but support for Labour is very shallow.

The total number of Labour votes cast across the UK fell again, below the numbers for 2017 and 2019, slightly higher than Miliband in 2015.
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGRtwreoWEAAcUoN.png
Not as poor as the low levels set by Brown in 2010, but heading in that direction.

If we are looking at a national swing, it is away from the duopoly of Labour and Tories, and towards Reform, Greens and Independents.

The big winner is "none of the above", romping home with a massive victory of 43% of the eligible electorate choosing "I couldn't be arsed" over the others.

[i_ateallthepies]

It's going to be a long five years, Albie, sucking on those sour grapes.

[albie]

It is not sour grapes, Pies.....it is the correct interpretation of data, and it is important.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's an issue to be investigated in that the very first general election after the Tories' introduction of photo ID requirements coincided with the lowest turnout in our history.

[danumdon]

There's an issue to be investigated in that the very first general election after the Tories' introduction of photo ID requirements coincided with the lowest turnout in our history.

Voter turnout across the UK as a whole was reportedly 60%, declining from 67.3% in 2019. That would be the lowest since 2001 when it dropped to 59.4%, and the second lowest since 1918 when turnout was 57.2%, according to the House of Commons Library.

In many elections prior to 1997, voter turnout was consistently more than 70%, with peaks of 83.9% in 1950 and 82.6% in 1951.

[tommy toes]

Albie
I got the figure of 10.8% in a email from Lee Pitcher.
Didn’t check myself, so don’t know if he’s right.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I thought the election might be the last we saw of non-entities like Gavin Williamson. But no. He's determined to remind us how bereft of talent the Tory party is.

https://x.com/GavinWilliamson/status/1810340037331947865

Here's summat else that Labour is going to do. Not have an incompetent waste of skin like you as Defence and Education Secretaries.

[albie]

Albie
I got the figure of 10.8% in a email from Lee Pitcher.
Didn’t check myself, so don’t know if he’s right.

Fair enough, Tommy.

I think Lee is getting a bit carried away.
There is a good video by George Monbiot on the same issues;
https://youtu.be/H3zWYMCwy8I

[SydneyRover]

Tommy Toes,

"The national swing to Labour from the Tories was 10.8%."
How do you come to that conclusion?

The important thing is surely the underlying trend.

Tories lost votes to Reform, and also lost votes to stay at home refuseniks.....these are not vote transfers direct to Labour.
If anything, there is a move to the right in these figures.

Labour increased their share of votes cast by only 1.6% on 2019, in the context of a lower overall turnout.
Some red wall voters returned as expected, after a brief affair with Johnson, but support for Labour is very shallow.

The total number of Labour votes cast across the UK fell again, below the numbers for 2017 and 2019, slightly higher than Miliband in 2015.
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGRtwreoWEAAcUoN.png
Not as poor as the low levels set by Brown in 2010, but heading in that direction.

If we are looking at a national swing, it is away from the duopoly of Labour and Tories, and towards Reform, Greens and Independents.

The big winner is "none of the above", romping home with a massive victory of 43% of the eligible electorate choosing "I couldn't be arsed" over the others.

Possibility that reform may have registered candidates that don't exist, watch this space.

[albie]

What has that got to do with my post Syd?

I am talking about the votes cast.
You've lost me, I'm afraid.

[SydneyRover]

What has that got to do with my post Syd?

I am talking about the votes cast.
You've lost me, I'm afraid.

You need a political satnav Albie, everyone you post to has missed the point, aye?

If fake candidates (not proven yet) have been put up by reform it has distorted the numbers of genuine votes cast/received not only to them but other parties where those votes may have gone, wouldn't you say?

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1810573877900136674
Jenrick is a t**t of the highest order.

He's been a minister for years in a Government that has allowed a prison crisis to develop and grow to breaking point.

Now he's doing the gutter politics thing of trying to make angry, ignorant people think this is a choice that Labour are making.

Awful, awful man. If he wins the Tory leadership, it says everything about the direction they are heading.

[SydneyRover]

''‘If It Looks Like the Law Was Broken, Police Investigations Must Follow’: Elections Watchdog Receives Flood of Complaints Over ‘Phantom’ Reform Party Candidates''

''A spokesperson for the Electoral Commission – which was stripped of its powers to launch prosecutions by the last Government – said: “If a false statement was provided on nomination papers, it would be for the police rather than the Commission to investigate.”

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/09/if-it-looks-like-the-law-was-broken-police-investigations-must-follow-elections-watchdog-receives-flood-of-complaints-over-phantom-reform-party-candidates/

A voter needs more ID than a candidate, that's fair aye?

[Donnywolf]

Yes . Incredibly it seems you need less I'd to be a prospective MP than any voter voting for an MP

If the whole issue is proven , what then ? Would all results in every ghost Vote be rerun

I'm sure there will be calls by Tories who on the face of it "lost" because Reform fielded  bogus Candidates but there were numerable interviews with Voters pre election who said I don't want Tories at all , not keen on Labour so I'll vote for Reform

In cases like that , who can say the Voter would not have voted Labour

Sort that f***** out someone !