Jonathan Ashworth

[scawsby steve]

I've always liked that bloke. He must be absolutely gutted; he's been a Labour heavyweight in opposition for a long time, and just when they've got into power, he's lost his seat to an Independent.

It looks like the Muslim vote's gone against him because of the Gaza situation.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Cannon fodder for Starmer.

[MachoMadness]

Entirely unforced error by Labour. Booting out Shaheen also means IDS kept his seat in Chingford. I'm sure there will be no introspection on Labour's part about this given they still won in a landslide, but we'll see if Labour head office can get over their factional pettiness and deliver what the country needs. Farage is waiting in the wings if they can't.

[SydneyRover]

Entirely unforced error by Labour. Booting out Shaheen also means IDS kept his seat in Chingford. I'm sure there will be no introspection on Labour's part about this given they still won in a landslide, but we'll see if Labour head office can get over their factional pettiness and deliver what the country needs. Farage is waiting in the wings if they can't.

Hasn't Starmer got that under control, he's rebuilt the party from the corbyn days and turned a record 2019 defeat into a record win in a single term. This is what the tories need to do if they want to be credible.

[Pancho Regan]

Entirely unforced error by Labour. Booting out Shaheen also means IDS kept his seat in Chingford. I'm sure there will be no introspection on Labour's part about this given they still won in a landslide, but we'll see if Labour head office can get over their factional pettiness and deliver what the country needs. Farage is waiting in the wings if they can't.

I think it's the Tory Party who need to get over their factional pettiness MM.
Their constant in-fighting and chaotic management has played a big part in their devastating result last night.

[MachoMadness]

"Factional" doesn't just mean the left wing faction. There is a right wing faction who currently have control of the party, and who used the Tory implosion as cover to purge left wingers and parachute themselves into safe seats and plum jobs.

They need to put their grown up pants on and get to governing instead of settling factional scores. Let's hope they can do so.

[MachoMadness]

Entirely unforced error by Labour. Booting out Shaheen also means IDS kept his seat in Chingford. I'm sure there will be no introspection on Labour's part about this given they still won in a landslide, but we'll see if Labour head office can get over their factional pettiness and deliver what the country needs. Farage is waiting in the wings if they can't.

I think it's the Tory Party who need to get over their factional pettiness MM.
Their constant in-fighting and chaotic management has played a big part in their devastating result last night.

Absolutely. They won't though. The membership will elect a lunatic as leader and they'll be spent as a force for the next decade or so, is my prediction.

It's the far right mob that we need to worry about now.

[SydneyRover]

"Factional" doesn't just mean the left wing faction. There is a right wing faction who currently have control of the party, and who used the Tory implosion as cover to purge left wingers and parachute themselves into safe seats and plum jobs.

They need to put their grown up pants on and get to governing instead of settling factional scores. Let's hope they can do so.

I think you may be mistaken here MM, from my perspective Starmer saw that labour was unelectable and made the changes necessary to take government.

The far left of the party need to accept they had their chance and lost twice, how many goes do you get?

[MachoMadness]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm referring to.

I'm not on about Starmer. I'm on about the Labour leadership - his team, the NEC, and the party bureaucracy. Plus people like Mandelson, who's actual role in the party isn't clear.

They have a mandate to do whatever they like in government now. I personally hope they use that to benefit my country. We'll see.

[SydneyRover]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm referring to.

I'm not on about Starmer. I'm on about the Labour leadership - his team, the NEC, and the party bureaucracy. Plus people like Mandelson, who's actual role in the party isn't clear.

They have a mandate to do whatever they like in government now. I personally hope they use that to benefit my country. We'll see.

I beg to differ, Starmer will want to stick as close as possible to what the labour party promised and in my view if they want to stray from that it would need to be that conditions have changed drastically to force his hand or he has a good enough argument so he can take the electorate with him.

Oz labour have just done that as they agreed to generous tax cuts before the election from the government that flattened out the top brackets but cost of living considerations since the election and in power made it impossible to give the top earners more money while the bottom half did it tough. They put the case to the people and asked what the now opposition would hang those less well off out to dry. They caved in and the people accepted the change.

footnote. I think they (lab) will want to stay with what was promised to show they can be a credible government when it comes to the next election, I maybe wrong.

[danumdon]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm referring to.

I'm not on about Starmer. I'm on about the Labour leadership - his team, the NEC, and the party bureaucracy. Plus people like Mandelson, who's actual role in the party isn't clear.

They have a mandate to do whatever they like in government now. I personally hope they use that to benefit my country. We'll see.

I beg to differ, Starmer will want to stick as close as possible to what the labour party promised and in my view if they want to stray from that it would need to be that conditions have changed drastically to force his hand or he has a good enough argument so he can take the electorate with him.

Oz labour have just done that as they agreed to generous tax cuts before the election from the government that flattened out the top brackets but cost of living considerations since the election and in power made it impossible to give the top earners more money while the bottom half did it tough. They put the case to the people and asked what the now opposition would hang those less well off out to dry. They caved in and the people accepted the change.

footnote. I think they (lab) will want to stay with what was promised to show they can be a credible government when it comes to the next election, I maybe wrong.

This is going to be the very difficult part to the job that Starmer has set himself.

If he's to retain his current credibility then he needs to purge any notions of some to really kick back and attempt to sway the party towards the high spend and financially illiterate attitude we have seen from previous versions.

Even with all his scocial engineering of the party that tendency will still be present in the background. If anything he's backed himself into a corner with his rigid pronouncements of not utilising the tax system fully to increase his operating kitty. Any backtracking on this will be seen by many(including the great many who lent him their votes) as a betrayal of his manifesto and his public utterings.

High stakes a plenty and a massive task ahead for him to concentrate on, needs to hold his nerve and any temptation in his party.

[SydneyRover]

I only some had held the tories to the same strictures aye?

[danumdon]

I only some had held the tories to the same strictures aye?

Backward looking and none progressive.

Most will only be interested in what's in front of us.

[SydneyRover]

I only some had held the tories to the same strictures aye?

Backward looking and none progressive.

Most will only be interested in what's in front of us.

Well it seemed only labour was in front of you pre-election so I guess why change indeed.

[ravenrover]

I'm not sure you understand what I'm referring to.

I'm not on about Starmer. I'm on about the Labour leadership - his team, the NEC, and the party bureaucracy. Plus people like Mandelson, who's actual role in the party isn't clear.

They have a mandate to do whatever they like in government now. I personally hope they use that to benefit my country. We'll see.

Didn't Tories have the same?

[Iberian Red]

Last his seat to a culture war

[SydneyRover]

I only some had held the tories to the same strictures aye?

Backward looking and none progressive.

Most will only be interested in what's in front of us.

You and others used 'they're all the same crap' for just about ever, which gave cover for the tories, now you only want to look forward to hide the tories abysmal record.

[normal rules]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/07/05/this-election-has-exposed-the-cancer-of-sectarianism/

[SydneyRover]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/07/05/this-election-has-exposed-the-cancer-of-sectarianism/

Yep, it's good to have a centre based government that promises to serve for all, rather than a right wing shopping trolley style government that only served themselves.

[ncRover]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/07/05/this-election-has-exposed-the-cancer-of-sectarianism/

Food for thought. Rakib Ehsan is well qualified on these issues.