New Cabinet

[SydneyRover]

Seen better new cabinets in Ikea. And they'll probably last longer.

Come to think of it, I dare bet an Ikea cabinet will last longer than a Keir cabinet any day.

He's going to Stier to Kalmer waters

[BillyStubbsTears]

And they will Bpool.

Without doubt they'll make mistakes. All Cabinets do.

No doubt they'll make suboptimal decisions in moments of crisis. Every Cabinet does.

The point is, what they won't do, ever, is to put someone as patently unsuitable as Dorries in charge of a Department.

Those of you who voted for the freak show that we've just got rid of, remember the standards that you turned a blind eye to before you launch in to criticism of this Cabinet.

but last time so many of you voted corbyn does that not make you as bad? Im sure it wont thou? Or maybe people who voted for blair who lied and took the country to a illegal war? Or is that different?

1) What on earth has voting for Corbyn got to do with it? He was the better choice in a two horse race, and certainly didn't have anyone remotely as unqualified as Dorries in his team. (And those of you who are about to scream Dianne Abbott, just stop and think first.)

2) No need to lecture me on Blair and Iraq. I tore up my Labour membership card and voted against Labour in 2005 because of that.

[SydneyRover]

Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.

Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.

I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!

Hopefully individual shop stealing will be reduced with a better society where people can get better access to food. Although  !4+ years is too long to wait for dinner wouldn't you say.

[Colemans Left Hook]

my money for the first sacking (each way) is on

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=291653.0

it's an amazing read

[Bristol Red Rover]

Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.

Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.

I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!

I know of someone on a suspended sentence who got caught for similar and given another suspended sentence. So build more prisons or deal with the cause? I hope Labour at least try to deal with inequality and poverty rather than maintain the Tory levels which create crime and cost us all massively. I'm not seeing any firm plans to do this.

[Pancho Regan]

89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.

Education Secretary had free school meals.

Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.

But yeah. All the same.

And not an ounce of experience between the lot of them.
It's going to be hilarious this.

When are we going to introduce a “not like” option on this site?

[Pancho Regan]

Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women

And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.

We are moving in the right direction.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women

And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.

We are moving in the right direction.

 i have always noticed when he is campaigning he continually surrounds himself with  women and "feels more at ease nowadays" with them than men

[Sprotyrover]

89% went to state school. Largest %age in history apparently.

Education Secretary had free school meals.

Housing Secretary grew up in a council house.

But yeah. All the same.

does having free school meals make you a better person, does it make you better at your job? Hope so as i was on free school meals

I was too and I had to stand in a ‘Special queue’
To get my Dinner Tickets, that certainly focused my mind !

funny how it turned out aye, not much sympathy for those in the same position now

Really!!! I have spent a great deal of my life helping people out of difficult circumstances sorry to disappoint!

[SydneyRover]

This appears to be the first time you have shown much compassion sprot, keep it up

[Sprotyrover]

Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.

Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.

I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!

Hopefully individual shop stealing will be reduced with a better society where people can get better access to food. Although  !4+ years is too long to wait for dinner wouldn't you say.

The folks I came across in my Offender management days, were all driven by addiction to Hard Drugs, they live in a very sinister environment where they are stealing to fund a Drug habit and mainly trying to pay off Drug debts!
The despicable individuals who deal. Them drugs
Think nothing to Stabbing or beating them up and it just doesn’t stop there they also will take it out of innocent family members. You can’t be a Pussycat when you are dealing with Criminals of that calibre!

[SydneyRover]

Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.

[Sprotyrover]

Impressed with the appointment of James Timpson to the prison brief. Guy knows what he's talking about and could potentially radically change the system.

Agreed. Really positive move. We've got to do more than just lock folk up.

I was very active in Offender management under the last Labour Government and it all went down the pan under the Tory Austerity , I have kept all of my ‘recipes’ and I have the ‘Interlectual’ copyright for some good schemes that worked.
I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!
But there is a severe problem with our Prison system
And sending folks to prison for 3 months after they have appeared in Court for a succession of 16 plus occasions for multiple shoplifting offences is pointless, you can’t work with anybody unless they have been sentenced for a least 3 years!
The last government rang the Prison service and told them to do something about the overcrowding so the MOJ rang the Prisons and told the Management to let everybody out of Prison who were 60 days from release, this happened and and approximately 2 months later the prisons were full again as they had all gone and re offended!

I know of someone on a suspended sentence who got caught for similar and given another suspended sentence. So build more prisons or deal with the cause? I hope Labour at least try to deal with inequality and poverty rather than maintain the Tory levels which create crime and cost us all massively. I'm not seeing any firm plans to do this.

They will have got a suspended sentence because the prisons are full, but sending someone to prison for 3 months is pointless they use it as respite, run up even greater Drug debt , you actually have to move them to a different part of England when they sign up!

[SydneyRover]

''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''

nice touch sprot

[Sprotyrover]

''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''

nice touch sprot

Well they paid me well last time! But that was the
Problem they got value for money out of me ,
But there were Hundreds of millions funding the local Government offices, they were all on £50k minimum back in 2010 , plus Councils were literally burning money ie  Bradford council got £500k they didn’t know what to do with it so they Hired 19 PA’s one for each of their neighbour hood managers! Who were doing bugger all but earning £100k

[drfchound]

''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''

nice touch sprot

Our new PM has said that he wants to create wealth Syd.
Are you saying he is wrong.

[SydneyRover]

''I am looking forwards to making a lot of money out of Labour!''

nice touch sprot

Well they paid me well last time! But that was the
Problem they got value for money out of me ,
But there were Hundreds of millions funding the local Government offices, they were all on £50k minimum back in 2010 , plus Councils were literally burning money ie  daddies got £500k they didn’t know what to do with it so they Hired 19 PA’s one for each of their neighbour hood managers! Who were doing bugger all but earning £100k

Three months and from May 2010 it was all sorted

[Sprotyrover]

Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.

One thing that the new Government could do which would have a massive impact is legalise Cannabis!

[danumdon]

Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women

And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.

We are moving in the right direction.

Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,

Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.

Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?

[Sprotyrover]

Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women

And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.

We are moving in the right direction.

Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,

Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.

Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?

A good point! But get ready for the Anti Facist crowd to descend on you!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women

And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.

We are moving in the right direction.

Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,

Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.

Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?

1) The Cabinet has been picked on merit alone.

2) There is no reason at all that we should expect men to have more merit than women.

3) But we still have more male than female MPs.

4) Surprising that you don't focus your ire on that...

[BillyStubbsTears]

If we are serious about meritocracy, this is a the best news possible.

https://x.com/JAHeale/status/1809459991515931100

5 of the last 6 Old Etonian PMs would be in the bottom reaches of anyone's list of Best PMs.

Johnson.
Cameron
Alec Douglass Home
Anthony Eden
Arthur Balfour.

Eton produces politicians with boundless self confidence in comparison to their actual ability.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.

One thing that the new Government could do which would have a massive impact is legalise Cannabis!

Though it's relatively easy to catch people in that cannabis racket. The problem comes when the gangsters running that are deprived of income due to legalisation, and so move onto other drugs, most of which are far, far more damaging than cannabis.

[Sprotyrover]

There are lots of issues to consider, the lack of Heroin is causing dealers to lace it with far more addictive synthetic Drugs,such as Fentanyl ,but the twits you see smoking Spliffs will still get their Cannabis but buy it legally. Cannabis is a massive issue all over the country and it needs sorting, but busting the illegal grow Indy will be incredibly difficult!

[selby]

  They could save money by supplying certain drugs in nationalised
 Surgeries that can control the price and run the illegal drug industry out of town, and add a tax for the national budget.
  It is a massive industry that is illegal and makes massive profits that can be controlled medically and can be run by the state and contribute financially to smash the illegal industry and subsidize the prison service.
  It is an industry that cannot be stopped in it's entirety but can be controlled as in Holland and fund other things done correctly and the main way of busting the gangs is making the product cheaper than they can supply.

[danumdon]

Wonderful to see that more than 50% of the new Cabinet are women

And we now have the highest number of women MP’s ever.

We are moving in the right direction.

Can you inform us all why you think its "moving in the right direction" to have more women than ever,

Surely we should be looking to have the best people on merit, regardless of gender in parliament and in the cabinet.

Ive never seen the benefit of positive discrimination, in any walk of life, if we are promoting someone on the basis of their gender then we have taken a wrong turn straight away. Surely merit should be the only basis?

1) The Cabinet has been picked on merit alone.

2) There is no reason at all that we should expect men to have more merit than women.

3) But we still have more male than female MPs.

4) Surprising that you don't focus your ire on that...

1) I don't think i mentioned that it hadn't been, but good to see that your on the ball.

2) Im quite sure i never mentioned anything about men having more merit than women!

3) So in effect you think we should have more women MP's because presently we have more men?

4) So you want me to focus my ire on something that i have no control over?  all i can say about the situation is that women should continue to put themselves forward, if they are the best candidate for the position i'd be delighted for them to take on the role.

What a strange post to make!

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD.

My first three points were establishing facts. I find it helps one to draw reliable conclusions if you start from facts.

My fourth point was contrasting the fact that you waded into this discussion telling us how wrong it is to pick on gender (no-one has said we should pick on gender) while you've never raised a squeak about that fact that we've chosen in gender the other way for centuries.

[normal rules]

Yep the laws are all wrong when it comes to drugs I sympathise.

One thing that the new Government could do which would have a massive impact is legalise Cannabis!

Sprot. With respect, this country already has a huge issue with drug driving. And the huge increase in related accidents and fatalities that brings. Legalising dope would open the door to much more of the same.

[danumdon]

DD.

My first three points were establishing facts. I find it helps one to draw reliable conclusions if you start from facts.

My fourth point was contrasting the fact that you waded into this discussion telling us how wrong it is to pick on gender (no-one has said we should pick on gender) while you've never raised a squeak about that fact that we've chosen in gender the other way for centuries.

See to me your whinge sounds like you and OP are wanting to make concessions because "we've chosen in gender the other way for centuries".

Why should i raise a squeak about what's happened for centuries, its a totally wrong way to look at the issues today anyway. For centuries women tended to be the lead on running the home and rearing the kids rather than go out to work in this country (outside of the world wars)does this not have some bearing on historical imbalances. Its only been the last 50 years or so that women have started to equalise the full time work place.

I'm quite pleased that more women are now making an impression in top roles all across the business world as well as politics. Its also a fact that women are now taking a lead in jobs like teaching and health professionals, all well and good as far as i'm concerned.

My point is that advancement into any role should always be strictly on merit, regardless what happened for centuries, its not happening now and the playing field is a lot more balanced, in some areas its already going the other way (teachers, doctors, HR) we just need to bare that in mind.

If you have the capabilities then you succeed, regardless of your gender.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And the increase in female MPs and ministers IS on merit. Whereas for decades and centuries, we have effectively been gender biased towards men.

Yet you only raise the gender bias thing now.