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BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Southport
« Reply #691 on August 08, 2024, 12:41:12 pm by BillyStubbsTears »

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Re: Southport
« Reply #692 on August 08, 2024, 12:49:22 pm by Nudga »

Jonathan

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Re: Southport
« Reply #693 on August 08, 2024, 12:55:06 pm by Jonathan »
Totally unacceptable.

I doubt he’ll be a Labour Councillor for much longer. Also needs to be arrested and charged. I’m confident this will be dealt with appropriately.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #694 on August 08, 2024, 01:12:03 pm by TonySoprano »
Totally unacceptable.

I doubt he’ll be a Labour Councillor for much longer. Also needs to be arrested and charged. I’m confident this will be dealt with appropriately.

Well I'm not confident at all, he should be sent to prison for a hate crime and encouraging murder.
But doubt he will.

Absolutely bizarre this lot, he says that at a so called anti fascist rally, but what he is saying IS fascism, and he's met with cheers and applause including from a woman wearing an amnesty international bib.
Absolutely clueless people.

Doesn't surprise me one bit that he's a labour councillor either.
No doubt 2 tier kier will brush this under the carpet

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Re: Southport
« Reply #695 on August 08, 2024, 01:13:16 pm by TonySoprano »
Arrest this man.


https://x.com/vpopulimedia/status/1821490445873996252?t=4l83VFnpCFqUQmB9rlcyKQ&s=19

100%. He needs to do serious time for that.

Weird man, far right views in a left wing protest.
Fascists views aswell! and met with applause and cheers, the Irony is astounding

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Re: Southport
« Reply #696 on August 08, 2024, 01:18:08 pm by SydneyRover »
It's still not going to change the election result tony

Jonathan

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Re: Southport
« Reply #697 on August 08, 2024, 01:18:53 pm by Jonathan »
He has already been suspended from the party. I fully expect he will face arrest, too. That kind of hate speech is not acceptable in any side and certainly not from someone in a public facing role.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #698 on August 08, 2024, 01:29:26 pm by SydneyRover »
''Labour councillor suspended after video of him saying rioters' throats should be cut appears online
A Labour councillor has been suspended from the party after footage emerged of him online in which he said the throats of rioters should be cut.''

the Guardian

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Re: Southport
« Reply #699 on August 08, 2024, 01:45:10 pm by danumdon »
If ever their was an opportunity for the police to dispel the "two tier policing" that has been bandied about then this would be it. This disgraceful individual with his tone deaf fascist descriptions needs arresting and the full force of the law being applied to him, more importantly it needs to be seen to be so.

To do any different just gives legitimacy to other extremists to take advantage.

Talk like this just inflames a situation which needs to be stamped upon.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #700 on August 08, 2024, 01:56:22 pm by roverstillidie91 »
We all need to unite all faiths and then come together against Starmer and the big clubs divide and rule tactics

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Re: Southport
« Reply #701 on August 08, 2024, 02:20:37 pm by TommyC »
If ever their was an opportunity for the police to dispel the "two tier policing" that has been bandied about then this would be it. This disgraceful individual with his tone deaf fascist descriptions needs arresting and the full force of the law being applied to him, more importantly it needs to be seen to be so.

To do any different just gives legitimacy to other extremists to take advantage.

Talk like this just inflames a situation which needs to be stamped upon.

I agree. Another example would be to charge those scumbags from Manchester airport that decided to punch the copper in the face. Gone strangely quiet that has.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #702 on August 08, 2024, 02:46:17 pm by danumdon »
If ever their was an opportunity for the police to dispel the "two tier policing" that has been bandied about then this would be it. This disgraceful individual with his tone deaf fascist descriptions needs arresting and the full force of the law being applied to him, more importantly it needs to be seen to be so.

To do any different just gives legitimacy to other extremists to take advantage.

Talk like this just inflames a situation which needs to be stamped upon.

I agree. Another example would be to charge those scumbags from Manchester airport that decided to punch the copper in the face. Gone strangely quiet that has.

Agreed. it seems they have been bailed pending investigations so hopefully they get their just deserts in due course. When people see others getting away with actions like this then it just normalises this type of behaviour, after that comes anarchy and anything goes.

Starmer would do himself some good if he ensured the police and CPS took full advantage of the relevant legislation.

Actions, speak far louder than words.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #703 on August 08, 2024, 02:53:53 pm by Jonathan »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #704 on August 08, 2024, 03:02:10 pm by Sprotyrover »
So a relatively quiet night on the streets last night, thankfully..

And silence from the apologists for the rioters.

And no apologies from those that incited the riots, look at the comment immediately above. My advice sprot would be to delete everything on your phone and any hard drives, take them out into the road and run the car over them a couple of times.
That’s one hell of an accusation Syd, kindly evidence
How I have incited a riot? The only racist comments on here were made by you by the way!

You just don't get it do you, a large body of people disseminated false information across the internet which gave complete and utter fools legitimacy to attack people and property and you and your posts were part of that.

If you can't see that then I can't help you so collate all your emails where you posted false names and said the lad from Southport isn't Welsh and email them to this address:

https://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/

Get their opinion

Just say the word and I can do it for you.
Why don’t you Syd and mention your Racist comment to them too now put up or shut up!
In R v Rogers (2007) 2 W.L.R. 280, the defendant was involved in an altercation with three Spanish women during the course of which he called them "bloody foreigners" and told them to "go back to your own country". The House of Lords, in upholding the defendant's conviction, held that the definition of a racial group clearly went beyond groups defined by their colour, race, or ethnic origin. It encompassed both nationality (including citizenship) and national origins.
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Re: Southport
« Reply #705 on August 08, 2024, 06:48:21 pm by TommyC »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

Almost as if the Courts can stay open 24/7 to tackle the "far right". But other demographics must await due process. Strange.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2024, 06:57:04 pm by TommyC »

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Re: Southport
« Reply #706 on August 08, 2024, 06:55:51 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...


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Re: Southport
« Reply #707 on August 08, 2024, 07:03:27 pm by TommyC »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...



I see the Harehills arsonists haven't even had the opportunity to enter a plea yet. Still on remand.

Ever think your chain might be the one being yanked, clever bugger?
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BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Southport
« Reply #708 on August 08, 2024, 07:24:12 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Tommy

There's a certain amount of pragmatism to be applied.

The Harehills issue was related to a specific, local incident. No likelihood of it spreading.

The far right rioting clearly spread rapidly and became something with major national effects. In that situation, you do need to send a message out very quickly that if you're caught and you don't have a defence, you are going to pay heavily for it.

An analogy.

If a bonfire gets a bit out of control at the same time that an entire street is up in flames, which one do you prioritise sending the fire engine to?

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Re: Southport
« Reply #709 on August 08, 2024, 07:26:15 pm by Sprotyrover »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...


Not if they been remanded to Crown Court

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Re: Southport
« Reply #710 on August 08, 2024, 07:29:08 pm by Pancho Regan »
Only reason I bring up Rayners "Tory racist scum" (not long before a Tory MP was stabbed to death) drunken ramblings is that there are it seems some very virtuous people who dislike wild communication that then leads others to become a target.
Just wondered what the most virtuous on here had to say at the time?

Amess was killed by someone who had been looking for an MP to murder and doing recon for over a year, a long time before Rayners comments.

Angela Rayner was on the same plane as me and my family yesterday, from Naples to Leeds / Bradford.
Then she must have gone straight from Leeds airport to Rotherham in the afternoon to visit the hotel which had been attacked by rioters, and gave an interview to TV.
It was a morning flight from Naples, so credit due to her for having the stamina to do that. She must have been knackered.

PS: I wonder if Jacob Reece-Smug would fly Jet2 in similar circumstances?




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Re: Southport
« Reply #711 on August 08, 2024, 07:37:20 pm by Sprotyrover »
I see they won’t let up in Barnsley
Two arrested amid rival demos in town centre https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze5g7jl790o

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Re: Southport
« Reply #712 on August 08, 2024, 07:40:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...


Not if they been remanded to Crown Court

Which the Harehills rioters have, and the sentenced far right rioters haven't.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #713 on August 08, 2024, 08:06:52 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...



I see the Harehills arsonists haven't even had the opportunity to enter a plea yet. Still on remand.

Ever think your chain might be the one being yanked, clever bugger?

My point Tommy, by the way, is that there is clearly an incentive for certain actors to keep people angry by pushing themselves lines on social media.

Given that you exploded with rage in response to a coordinated lie right at the start of this, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest you reflect on this.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #714 on August 08, 2024, 08:09:15 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
If ever their was an opportunity for the police to dispel the "two tier policing" that has been bandied about then this would be it. This disgraceful individual with his tone deaf fascist descriptions needs arresting and the full force of the law being applied to him, more importantly it needs to be seen to be so.

To do any different just gives legitimacy to other extremists to take advantage.

Talk like this just inflames a situation which needs to be stamped upon.

I agree. Another example would be to charge those scumbags from Manchester airport that decided to punch the copper in the face. Gone strangely quiet that has.


3 year prison sentence needed that's what a bloke got from punching a policeman in the riots. It won't happen. We've seen this weekend mobs of young Asian men running around with bats, swords, machetes, knifes. Beating people up 20 on 1, but no police in sight. I just wonder who is ordering it all.

Padge

We've also seen several examples of rioters committing arson with intent to kill many people.

To the best of my knowledge, none of them have yet been arrested. What do you reckon? Two tier?

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Re: Southport
« Reply #715 on August 08, 2024, 08:31:42 pm by Sprotyrover »
If ever their was an opportunity for the police to dispel the "two tier policing" that has been bandied about then this would be it. This disgraceful individual with his tone deaf fascist descriptions needs arresting and the full force of the law being applied to him, more importantly it needs to be seen to be so.

To do any different just gives legitimacy to other extremists to take advantage.

Talk like this just inflames a situation which needs to be stamped upon.

I agree. Another example would be to charge those scumbags from Manchester airport that decided to punch the copper in the face. Gone strangely quiet that has.


3 year prison sentence needed that's what a bloke got from punching a policeman in the riots. It won't happen. We've seen this weekend mobs of young Asian men running around with bats, swords, machetes, knifes. Beating people up 20 on 1, but no police in sight. I just wonder who is ordering it all.

Padge

We've also seen several examples of rioters committing arson with intent to kill many people.

To the best of my knowledge, none of them have yet been arrested. What do you reckon? Two tier?
Have a look on SYP facebook page 50 odd
Who they are trying to ID. Poor pics the shields have obstructed the Cops Body Cameras. They would be better off taking pics off the video I saw!

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Re: Southport
« Reply #716 on August 08, 2024, 08:50:04 pm by normal rules »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...



Not necessarily true.
The courts very usually go through a process of pre sentence reports, prior to sentencing.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #717 on August 08, 2024, 09:16:29 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
It’s not remotely unusual for charging decisions to take some time. Of course in this day and age everyone expects everything right away or is led to believe that information is being withheld by those with sinister motives. But we never know and nor should we be privy to everything that goes on behind the scenes. It’s only the very babyish people (of which we clearly have some on here) that draw all kinds of invented conclusions to enable them to go yelping out the latest hashtags and straplines on repeat.

Like the rioter from a week ago who has been charged, convicted and sentenced within about 3 days? He deserved it of course. But how did they manage to do that so quickly?! Very puzzling....

If someone pleads guilty, they can be sentenced immediately. There's no need for a trial. If someone pleads not guilty, they have to go to trial, which can take many, many months or years.

Interesting by the way. This seems to be today's "Two Tier Trope" online today. Seen this exact issue all over the place today. Almost as if someone is yanking folks' chains...



Not necessarily true.
The courts very usually go through a process of pre sentence reports, prior to sentencing.

Yes but you CAN put the sentencing through more quickly when someone pleads guilty and there is a need to process cases rapidly.

Exactly the same thing happened in the 2011 riots.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #718 on August 08, 2024, 09:40:39 pm by Jonathan »
The Labour councillor has now been arrested.

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Re: Southport
« Reply #719 on August 08, 2024, 10:54:41 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
The Labour councillor has now been arrested.

Good.

 

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