Penalty Decision

[StocksArmy]

It deserves a post of its own this one. I would even do this if it went for us whether we won or not. At the time I thought the ref had to have seen something and just thought.. why would Anderson give him a decision to make when we were so comfortable? The more I watch it the more angry I get! 1 it’s not even a foul and 2 it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody. Refs should not get away with decisions like that it’s a complete joke and should be under investigation for it in my opinion.

[Filo]

Our penalty shout was more of a penalty than that

[StocksArmy]

Our penalty shout was more of a penalty than that

Have heard a few mention this but can’t remember it! I never missed a kick either which is strange!

[VivaRovers]

...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...

No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.

It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.

[dickos1]

...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...

No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.

It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.

McCann stated in his interview after the game that they’d been told over the summer that if the ball was not in the vicinity and people were grappling then no foul would be given

[RoversInSpain]

Well initially I thought how stupid are you Tom?. Then in the interview Grant says, the new rule at the beginning of the season is that if the ball floats over wrestling players, it’s play on.
The ball from the Marvellous Rovers+ camera appears way, way over Tom and Stockly.
However does the ref think it’s going way over, maybe not. There in lies the problem, people see it differently.
So before the ball is played in to the box the experienced Stockly gets in Tom’s head, pulling, kicking, shoving, etc…….then the ball comes in, Tom decides he ain’t having it and hauls Stockley down (rather easily) ref sees it rather than the high flying ball, pelanty to Big Dave.
So yes Tom you lost it lad.

[StocksArmy]

New rule or not it’s never been a penalty it’s a shocking decision. If that pen costs us points today it would go through the forum like wildfire. It’s a 1v3 game that and a comfortable win for us.

[Alan Southstand]

I’ve yet to see the tackle on Yeboah that was deemed (by Mr Incompetent) no penalty.

GM was being very diplomatic when discussing the ref’s performance, as he knows it’ll cost him. The thing is they want/demand respect then do anything but trying to earn it.

Infuriating!

[Donnywolf]

See Rate the Ref

[selby]

  Is it a new rule? or a so called new interpretation that was discussed with the referees again, like the six second rule with the keepers ignored by many, feet behind the line at throw ins ignored, arms behind the head again at throw ins and don't just drop the ball.
  The old nutshell not enough in it the commentators invented, and the stiff arm tackle on a player the other evening the player would have been sent off at Rugby League for that went completely unpunished.
  If a game was actually refereed to the rule book now a days there would be hell on.
  And when someone loses an eye with the hand offs  or a broken neck with a stiff arm, everybody will be up in arms about it.

[Spud]

I thought Tom put himself in trouble, as much as it was 6 &  half a dozen.
What was most infuriating was that he instantly shook his head, then changed his mind, for whatever reason.

[NickDRFC]

Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights

[Goole Rover]

What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson. I agree he’s not the most stylish of footballers but boy he’s what’s needed at this level. Well done Tom for being a no frills central defender, every team needs one but be aware you won’t be appreciated by the ones that have never kicked a ball in a competitive match.

[Lesonthewest]

...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...

No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.

It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.

I'm livid about it never mind angry, maybe it's because I can't stand cheats, & there were 2, Stockley, main culprit, & the ref.

[VivaRovers]

What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson.

I'm not having a go at Anderson. I really like him. But as an observation he does have a propensity to manhandle the player he's marking more so than our other players. And sometimes, like today, that's going to get pulled up.

[Lesonthewest]

...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...

No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.

It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.

I'm livid about it never mind angry, maybe it's because I can't stand cheats, & there were 2, Stockley, main culprit, & the ref.

Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights

Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights

Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights


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Well initially I thought how stupid are you Tom?. Then in the interview Grant says, the new rule at the beginning of the season is that if the ball floats over wrestling players, it’s play on.
The ball from the Marvellous Rovers+ camera appears way, way over Tom and Stockly.
However does the ref think it’s going way over, maybe not. There in lies the problem, people see it differently.
So before the ball is played in to the box the experienced Stockly gets in Tom’s head, pulling, kicking, shoving, etc…….then the ball comes in, Tom decides he ain’t having it and hauls Stockley down (rather easily) ref sees it rather than the high flying ball, pelanty to Big Dave.
So yes Tom you lost it lad.

Dissagree, Anderson didn't lose it at all, he was defending his patch, & there was contact from both just before the ball came in, at this time we were comfortable & they were struggling to create anything, the ball comes in & is sailing over Stockley's head, he then dives forw

Well initially I thought how stupid are you Tom?. Then in the interview Grant says, the new rule at the beginning of the season is that if the ball floats over wrestling players, it’s play on.
The ball from the Marvellous Rovers+ camera appears way, way over Tom and Stockly.
However does the ref think it’s going way over, maybe not. There in lies the problem, people see it differently.
So before the ball is played in to the box the experienced Stockly gets in Tom’s head, pulling, kicking, shoving, etc…….then the ball comes in, Tom decides he ain’t having it and hauls Stockley down (rather easily) ref sees it rather than the high flying ball, pelanty to Big Dave.
So yes Tom you lost it lad.

I’ve yet to see the tackle on Yeboah that was deemed (by Mr Incompetent) no penalty.

GM was being very diplomatic when discussing the ref’s performance, as he knows it’ll cost him. The thing is they want/demand respect then do anything but trying to earn it.

Infuriating!

Don't normally complain about refs Alan, but this guy was the worst I have seen in a long long time. We should be talking about a really good game, not this incompetant idiot.

[Lesonthewest]

What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson. I agree he’s not the most stylish of footballers but boy he’s what’s needed at this level. Well done Tom for being a no frills central defender, every team needs one but be aware you won’t be appreciated by the ones that have never kicked a ball in a competitive match.

Man of the match for me today, headed & kicked everything in sight. Even had a striker who couldn't get anything from him cheat to get a penalty.

[Lesonthewest]

Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights

Had a great view of it & the moment the ball comes over Stockley knows it's sailing over his head, he dives, embarrasingly so, forward.

I was fully expecting a free kick to us & a yellow card, but true to form of the game, this idiot gives the penalty. Absolute joke of a decision, Stockley has had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus so obviously has the experience to pillock a ref.

Pisses me off that these decisions could have completely changed what was a good game & comfortable win for us into a different result altogether, a result that our team had worked hard for & deserved, against a cheat & an incompetant referee.

[Bentley Bullet]

Penalty?

Nah.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights

Agreed, free kick situation in the box, ball going over the heads of the two players involved therefore 'in the vicinity' right in front of the ref, penalty all day.

[danumdon]

I think the best thing you can say about this incident is that over a period of a season they tend to balance out. If you think back to some of the decisions we have had in our favour recently and got away with(last week Flemming being last man and getting away with it) then we can't really complain, granted it made a match that we had comfortably won become a great deal more difficult for that last period and those ridiculous 8 mins of extra time (were did that come from)

At the end of the day it makes the victory more pleasing for me.

[rich1471]

  Is it a new rule? or a so called new interpretation that was discussed with the referees again, like the six second rule with the keepers ignored by many, feet behind the line at throw ins ignored, arms behind the head again at throw ins and don't just drop the ball.
  The old nutshell not enough in it the commentators invented, and the stiff arm tackle on a player the other evening the player would have been sent off at Rugby League for that went completely unpunished.
  If a game was actually refereed to the rule book now a days there would be hell on.
  And when someone loses an eye with the hand offs  or a broken neck with a stiff arm, everybody will be up in arms about it.

Think they have changed the six second rule to an appropriate time allowed by the referee I read somewhere

[GazLaz]

The fact a team can be given a 80% chance of scoring a goal after an incident like that is incredible.

[Reg of the Rovers]

While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.

[jmt23]

With replays I can see it shouldn’t be a penalty, I did think it was when watching the game and also after one replay. I fully expected Grant to give Tom a proper dressing down because that kind of silliness could have cost us, but it was the ref, which given the game he had in general doesn’t shock me.

[RoversDave]

The Port Vale commentator said he was the worst referee he had ever seen. But he said he favoured the Rovers, I only saw the last 35 minutes or so but his commentary was so biased it made Trump sound sane.

[NickDRFC]

While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.

Have you watched the highlights? Like I said earlier in the thread, the camera isn’t on them for long so can’t see the full incident but Stockley is moving away from Anderson when he goes down so definitely not holding him, and the ref gives it pretty much instantly.

[NickDRFC]

What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson. I agree he’s not the most stylish of footballers but boy he’s what’s needed at this level. Well done Tom for being a no frills central defender, every team needs one but be aware you won’t be appreciated by the ones that have never kicked a ball in a competitive match.

Was this at the match? As I’ve not read anything like that here. Just a few people saying that, for that incident, Anderson was foolish. Hardly a character assassination.

[Reg of the Rovers]

While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.

Have you watched the highlights? Like I said earlier in the thread, the camera isn’t on them for long so can’t see the full incident but Stockley is moving away from Anderson when he goes down so definitely not holding him, and the ref gives it pretty much instantly.

Yeah, was at the game but watched the highlights last night. It may look less of an incident in the short clip on the highlights but in the context of the game and how physical Stockley was being throughout and in the build up to that I’m not sure what else Tom could do other than keep letting him have free headers. Their number 4 assaulted Billy one second after the kick off and kept at it rest of the half. I don’t think the Tom one was any different to what had been happening all afternoon, just in my opinion.

[Upton Rover]

Another stupid rule, Law 12 is the ruling in question. It states: "A direct free-kick or penalty is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences… holds an opponent, impedes an opponent with contact…"
I must admit the holding of players in the box is ridiculous at times, so if it evens it self out and we get soft penalties, then our players have got to get use to the knew rule.