Pyros

[Ryaldinhio]

Why don't the FA issue an immediate £10,000 fine per smoke bomb/pyro to the guilty parties club.

That would soon weed out the w**kers that are bringing em in, throwing em on pitch. It would put more impetus on the clubs to tackle the issue.

Also surely there would be adequate CCTV in the ground to identify an individual or group in the stand to track them on other cameras in concourse and outside etc to get the images to the respective club?

[Filo]

Why don't the FA issue an immediate £10,000 fine per smoke bomb/pyro to the guilty parties club.

That would soon weed out the w**kers that are bringing em in, throwing em on pitch. It would put more impetus on the clubs to tackle the issue.

Also surely there would be adequate CCTV in the ground to identify an individual or group in the stand to track them on other cameras in concourse and outside etc to get the images to the respective club?

Do you think the individuals care if they lump their club with a heavy fine?

[DRFC_AjA]

They are used all over Europe even nowadays including Scotland and Ireland. To help generate an atmosphere and to help with tifo displays. And I mean pretty much ALL of Europe.

Which country is the one and only that has a winge and a moan and a complain  lame, sanitised, boring England fans/grounds

And don't bother coming back with but my sisters mum's brother has a cough, your vape is waiting for you

[BobG]

And South America

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

How do they "generate" atmosphere?

Do pyros clap? Do they sing? Do they chant?

Do pyros grab hold of strangers in ecstasy after a late goal?

[Jimmydee]

The Scottish cup semi final at Hampden last week had a 12 minute k.o delay because they were waiting for the pyro smoke to clear.

Anyway, it proved that the search at the turnstiles Aren’t very effective at the Eco north stand.

[monkeytennis]

I don’t understand why play stops tbh. Chuck a bucket of water on it and crack on.

[silent majority]

They are used all over Europe even nowadays including Scotland and Ireland. To help generate an atmosphere and to help with tifo displays. And I mean pretty much ALL of Europe.

Which country is the one and only that has a winge and a moan and a complain  lame, sanitised, boring England fans/grounds

And don't bother coming back with but my sisters mum's brother has a cough, your vape is waiting for you

That's just not true.

It's a subject that's been brought up at more FSA and FSE conferences than I care to mention, and apart from Norway where its possible to use them under certain conditions and in certain areas I cant think of another country that allows for the legal display of pyro's. In Sweden for example you can apply for a permit but the Police will almost certainly refuse. Certainly countries like Germany are as consistent as us in making sure their use is strictly limited and during this years Euros it was consistently enforced. In Belgium you need a licence to be even able to buy pyro.

There's been constant talk about making safe versions, i.e. those that burn cold, but as far as I'm aware even these haven't received approval.

[EasyforDennis]

What are we employing the people who sit in the big comfy box at the back of the west stand to do?
Do they not have monitors where they can see what is happening in the ground? It's either they are not doing what they are paid to do or the cctv equipment we have is not fit for purpose.

[silent majority]

I don’t understand why play stops tbh. Chuck a bucket of water on it and crack on.

It's another attempt to discourage their use.

Here's a story about a Belgian footballer losing fingers because he picked up something that one of his own fans through onto the pitch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1g8p4wa/belgian_footballer_loses_fingers_after_fireworks/?rdt=59837

[deebee]

Why don't we have a bloke or lady with a litter picker and a bucket of water to pick it up and put it in?

[silent majority]

Why don't we have a bloke or lady with a litter picker and a bucket of water to pick it up and put it in?

Because, its EFL guidance that tells referee's and clubs to let them burn out.

[Ryaldinhio]

Why don't the FA issue an immediate £10,000 fine per smoke bomb/pyro to the guilty parties club.

That would soon weed out the w**kers that are bringing em in, throwing em on pitch. It would put more impetus on the clubs to tackle the issue.

Also surely there would be adequate CCTV in the ground to identify an individual or group in the stand to track them on other cameras in concourse and outside etc to get the images to the respective club?

Do you think the individuals care if they lump their club with a heavy fine?

I think enough fans who did care would help to stop it happening and/or identify the tos*ers that do it.

[Ryaldinhio]

They are used all over Europe even nowadays including Scotland and Ireland. To help generate an atmosphere and to help with tifo displays. And I mean pretty much ALL of Europe.

Which country is the one and only that has a winge and a moan and a complain  lame, sanitised, boring England fans/grounds

And don't bother coming back with but my sisters mum's brother has a cough, your vape is waiting for you

Whilst they may be 'used' all over the place it doesn't mean they are supposed to be used. They are certainly banned in Scotland and Ireland.

They don't create an atmosphere. They cause a break in play and we all stand about for 5 mins while it clears.

What a stupid post overall and an utterly dim-witted final comment to close it.

[glosterred]

I don’t understand why play stops tbh. Chuck a bucket of water on it and crack on.

Dependent on what they are made of and how they burn chucking a bucket of water over them may not be a bright idea, probably sand would be better

COYR

[Draytonian III]

The Scottish cup semi final at Hampden last week had a 12 minute k.o delay because they were waiting for the pyro smoke to clear.

Anyway, it proved that the search at the turnstiles Aren’t very effective at the Eco north stand.

They brought into the ground my supporters under the age of 16 who don’t get searched because of the law

[Ryaldinhio]

Regards removing them or dealing with them it comes down to HASAW act and the safety of the individual removing.

How could you write a safe system of work for sending an individual to go and pick up an unknown potentially dangerous pyrotechnic?

Letting them burn out is the safest thing to do for all involved.

Identifying individuals, fining their clubs and giving them banning orders/criminal convictions is the way to go.

Absolute morons.

[GazLaz]

Some of the scenes with pyros at the big Argentinian games are spectacular. Looks phenomenal.

[Donnywolf]

The Scottish cup semi final at Hampden last week had a 12 minute k.o delay because they were waiting for the pyro smoke to clear.

Anyway, it proved that the search at the turnstiles Aren’t very effective at the Eco north stand.

They brought into the ground my supporters under the age of 16 who don’t get searched because of the law

Yes,  just what I was going to say

U16s can't be searched so they bring them in for the " grown ups " to light and throw

[Pancho Regan]

I wonder how many minutes passed from the moment County’s goal was scored, until the ref re-started the game having left the pyros to burn out.

My guess would be around 4 minutes.

Then of course there were a few more stoppages in play before half time.

How many minutes did the ref add on at the end of the first half…..?

[NigelJ]

Exactly. I was expecting 4 minutes added time, so when 2 went up, I was dumbfounded. I was screaming such to the ref as he walked off at half time.

[scawsby steve]

I've realised now why I never get searched.

I'm so young looking that they think I'm under 16.

[danumdon]

I wonder how many minutes passed from the moment County’s goal was scored, until the ref re-started the game having left the pyros to burn out.

My guess would be around 4 minutes.

Then of course there were a few more stoppages in play before half time.

How many minutes did the ref add on at the end of the first half…..?

Just another reason why the clock should be stopped, similar to rugby, why should fans who pay to  watch a match of 90 mins have to settle for less than 30 mins a half?

[Ye-Aul-Tavern]

https://x.com/betweenstripes/status/1855629263346504185?t=CzYA0TV2i5FwUQ-j1EU1TA&s=09

Here's a clip from the start of the FAI cup final in Dublin yesterday. Over here in Ireland the FAI do very little to stop it. It's only in European competition that it's clamped down on. It's a different story when UEFA are involved.

[Pancho Regan]

https://x.com/betweenstripes/status/1855629263346504185?t=CzYA0TV2i5FwUQ-j1EU1TA&s=09

Here's a clip from the start of the FAI cup final in Dublin yesterday. Over here in Ireland the FAI do very little to stop it. It's only in European competition that it's clamped down on. It's a different story when UEFA are involved.

And of course Jay McGrath was on the bench for St Patrick's Athletic in last year's final.

[DRFC_AjA]

How do they "generate" atmosphere?

Do pyros clap? Do they sing? Do they chant?

Do pyros grab hold of strangers in ecstasy after a late goal?

Daft thing to say really. As a package of things including flags banners etc. One prat lobbing one on a pitch does not, obviously. The fan experience is sanitised beyond degree in England

Go Sports..A fast show classic.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79QDhBtmDdk&pp=ygUUZmFzdCBzaG93IHNvY2NlciBmYW4%3D

[DRFC_AjA]

They are used all over Europe even nowadays including Scotland and Ireland. To help generate an atmosphere and to help with tifo displays. And I mean pretty much ALL of Europe.

Which country is the one and only that has a winge and a moan and a complain  lame, sanitised, boring England fans/grounds

And don't bother coming back with but my sisters mum's brother has a cough, your vape is waiting for you

Whilst they may be 'used' all over the place it doesn't mean they are supposed to be used. They are certainly banned in Scotland and Ireland.

They don't create an atmosphere. They cause a break in play and we all stand about for 5 mins while it clears.

What a stupid post overall and an utterly dim-witted final comment to close it.

Stopping play for one on the pitch is not for debate. Of course that should happen. And of course the prat who did it is a prat. The prat who threw a firework on a pitch and a player lost his fingers is a prat.

But as a display package as a whole flags banners scarves pyros it works. And it works all over Europe except winging England

Because straight away the nannies would be out complaining they couldn't see for each half second a flag was waved, someone dared to stand up for more than 30 seconds, etc etc

[idler]

They are used all over Europe even nowadays including Scotland and Ireland. To help generate an atmosphere and to help with tifo displays. And I mean pretty much ALL of Europe.

Which country is the one and only that has a winge and a moan and a complain  lame, sanitised, boring England fans/grounds

And don't bother coming back with but my sisters mum's brother has a cough, your vape is waiting for you

Whilst they may be 'used' all over the place it doesn't mean they are supposed to be used. They are certainly banned in Scotland and Ireland.

They don't create an atmosphere. They cause a break in play and we all stand about for 5 mins while it clears.

What a stupid post overall and an utterly dim-witted final comment to close it.

Stopping play for one on the pitch is not for debate. Of course that should happen. And of course the prat who did it is a prat. The prat who threw a firework on a pitch and a player lost his fingers is a prat.

But as a display package as a whole flags banners scarves pyros it works. And it works all over Europe except winging England

Because straight away the nannies would be out complaining they couldn't see for each half second a flag was waved, someone dared to stand up for more than 30 seconds, etc etc

Maybe you should swap Nannie’s for sensible, mature or adult.
In a crowd of 11,000 one person took in or used a pyro.
What does that tell you?

[BobG]

That we pander to the tiniest minorities. Decision making today, sadly as a result of the labours of the late Harold Walker, MP for Doncaster for years and years, seems to be based entirely upon the lowest denominator. It's  hardly a surprise therefore when a few cretins Iive down to their reputation.

BobG

[ravenrover]

They are used all over Europe even nowadays including Scotland and Ireland. To help generate an atmosphere and to help with tifo displays. And I mean pretty much ALL of Europe.

Which country is the one and only that has a winge and a moan and a complain  lame, sanitised, boring England fans/grounds

And don't bother coming back with but my sisters mum's brother has a cough, your vape is waiting for you

Whilst they may be 'used' all over the place it doesn't mean they are supposed to be used. They are certainly banned in Scotland and Ireland.

They don't create an atmosphere. They cause a break in play and we all stand about for 5 mins while it clears.

What a stupid post overall and an utterly dim-witted final comment to close it.

Stopping play for one on the pitch is not for debate. Of course that should happen. And of course the prat who did it is a prat. The prat who threw a firework on a pitch and a player lost his fingers is a prat.

But as a display package as a whole flags banners scarves pyros it works. And it works all over Europe except winging England

Because straight away the nannies would be out complaining they couldn't see for each half second a flag was waved, someone dared to stand up for more than 30 seconds, etc etc

And here was me thinking you  paid your money and went to a football match to actually watch the football being played