How the hell did that Number 10 ....

[Donnywolf]

Question for South Stand spectators

When 10 threw Sterry to floor , loads of SS immediately started the Off Off OFF chant

Later I thought they seemed to be singing " you're going off   you're going off "

My question , what did they think he had done to provoke that response ?

Nobody seems to have mentioned what he was thought to be guilty of and from on Half wayI had no chance of seeing anything after the wrestling match and thought he must have punched or kicked Sterry

[pib]

Question for South Stand spectators

When 10 threw Sterry to floor , loads of SS immediately started the Off Off OFF chant

Later I thought they seemed to be singing " you're going off   you're going off "

My question , what did they think he had done to provoke that response ?

Nobody seems to have mentioned what he was thought to be guilty of and from on Half wayI had no chance of seeing anything after the wrestling match and thought he must have punched or kicked Sterry

Sterry was gesturing as if to say their no.10 had kicked out. I'd take that, and fan reactions, with a pinch of salt though. There didn't seem to be a great deal in it.

[idler]

We were about five or ten yards away. He seemed to lose it when Sterry just shepherded the ball out. He seemed to grab him and then wrestle him down while Jamie was off balance.
A yellow all day long. He then did almost exactly the same at the other side of the goal two or three minutes later. Bizarre behaviour to say the least. He then just carried on doing what he wanted unpunished. We fully expected him to get pulled at half time.

[Donnywolf]

Thanks both

I wondered if there was anything in it

A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?

[drfchound]

Thanks both

I wondered if there was anything in it

A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?

I have already asked that last question on here Wolfie.
Not only that but he committed two other fouls which might have got him a yellow had he not already been booked.
I know that shouldn’t make a difference but for some reason it is commonplace for the refs to book a player early in a game then not follow up with a second yellow for something later which should also get a booking.

[phil o sophical]

Inconsistent refs again. The only difference i saw was that he didn't throw Sterry  down quite as hard the second time and thats splitting hairs really

[Donnywolf]

Yes ... to both of the above.

One of the fouls was East Stand side half way in.their half and he totally upped (maybe) Moly

I thought that was a definite Yellow whoever did it but the Ref did us no favours whatsoever

He was persistently breaking the Rules the Ref gets paid to see AND uphold and I say we were let down badly by his lack of judgement and cajones

Amazingly I don't remember him doing a single foul in second half so maybe his HT " chat "with Martin Wooden went along the lines of " that's your lot"

I can't save you next time

[NickDRFC]

Thanks both

I wondered if there was anything in it

A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?

I have already asked that last question on here Wolfie.
Not only that but he committed two other fouls which might have got him a yellow had he not already been booked.
I know that shouldn’t make a difference but for some reason it is commonplace for the refs to book a player early in a game then not follow up with a second yellow for something later which should also get a booking.

This is a big frustration for me as well. See also “that’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch” and refs not booking players for clear yellow card decisions very early on in the game.

[drfchound]

Thanks both

I wondered if there was anything in it

A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?

I have already asked that last question on here Wolfie.
Not only that but he committed two other fouls which might have got him a yellow had he not already been booked.
I know that shouldn’t make a difference but for some reason it is commonplace for the refs to book a player early in a game then not follow up with a second yellow for something later which should also get a booking.

This is a big frustration for me as well. See also “that’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch” and refs not booking players for clear yellow card decisions very early on in the game.

Yes Nick and the foul by Lund on Sterry on halfway in the first few minutes was VERY deserving of a yellow card.
Had it been in the last ten minutes the ref would almost certainly have booked Lund.

[ravenrover]

What was it Mike Dean said the other day, you can have the 1st one for free but it's a booking next time when he reffed

[Usher wide.]

Just when you’ve watched a game when the officials have been absolutely abysmal & you’re thinking ‘Thank gawd we’ll never see another ref as poor as that again”, bugger me one of his ‘refereeing class’ who finished behind him on the course comes along!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thanks both

I wondered if there was anything in it

A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?

It's what I was referring to on the first page.

Refs are very reluctant to send a player of for "2 soft yellows" when there's an element of subjectivity involved.

But absolutely ruthless at sending of a player for two "technical yellows" such as Molyneux's against Chesterfield.

I get the latter. Once the ref had booked Madden for kicking the ball away, he had set a standard that required a yellow for subsequent, similar incidents.

But why didn't that apply to the No10 on Saturday. The ref gave several first yellows that were arguably "soft". But then didn't follow through consistently on giving a second yellow to him following at least 2 fouls that were at least as bad as the soft yellows.

[Usher wide.]

There was a ‘kicking the ball away’ incident in the second half too by one of their players when we were awarded a free kick at 1-0 down still. I ‘called it’ to my brother at the time.
Ref must have seen it but…….forget it.

[rich1471]

Inconsistent refs again. The only difference i saw was that he didn't throw Sterry  down quite as hard the second time and thats splitting hairs really

I believe if a player is on a yellow card ,the foul has to be worse than the first card for him to be given a second card to be sent off.

[Donnywolf]

.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs

A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one

At any time in the game the same Player is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.

It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given

It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield

He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and he therefore gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow

Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.

If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious

[BillyStubbsTears]

.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs

A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one

At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.

It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given

It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield

He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow

Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.

If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious

The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.

[Pancho Regan]

.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs

A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one

At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.

It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given

It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield

He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow

Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.

If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious

The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.

Exactly right BST.

[drfchound]

.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs

A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one

At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.

It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given

It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield

He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow

Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.

If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious

The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.

Which is exactly what I said to our group at the time of it happening.

[scawsby steve]

.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs

A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one

At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.

It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given

It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield

He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow

Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.

If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious

The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.

BST, I'll hold my hand straight up if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we were only 0-1 down at the time of Moly's 2nd yellow. It wasn't long after HT.

[Donnywolf]

.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs

A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one

At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.

It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given

It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield

He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow

Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.

If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious

The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.

Exactly right BST.

Exactly right from me as well.

How the 10 stayed on after the Yellow is why I started the Thread in first place

Even under totting up he just had to walk but the upping of Moly was probably the most dangerous "tackle" of the 1st half yet despite it being his 6th foul the Ref still kept the 2 nd Yellow in his pocket

You are also right on the Moly 2nd Yellow. It was 0-1 and I for one cannot believe how he was delaying a restart as we were losing

Letter of the law , yes , Yellow I suppose but had he stopped dead the Chessie keeper would have taken at least a minute to put the ball back in play anyway

[Janso]

Inconsistent refs again. The only difference i saw was that he didn't throw Sterry  down quite as hard the second time and thats splitting hairs really

I believe if a player is on a yellow card ,the foul has to be worse than the first card for him to be given a second card to be sent off.

Is this the actual rule, because that's absolutely ridiculous if true. Surely a "second bookable offence" is an occasion where a yellow card can justifiably be used, regardless of the first one and regardless of whether "it's not a red" (because it isn't a red!).

[Mike_F]

No that's not the rule at all. A booking offence is a booking offence regardless of whether it's minute one or minute 90+10 and regardless of whether you've been booked already or not. The only grey area/discretionary decision I can think of is totting up. I reffed a game last week in which I'd warned a player and he gave away a very innocuous foul later on which was a touch clumsy but no intent. On that occasion I decided it would be harsh to get a yellow card out as the player was trying to behave himself and just got in a bit of a tangle.

[Donnywolf]

Cheers for the clarity Mike

I'm sure Number 10 was "more than in a tangle " throughout 1st half though and he would have been saying " thanks for the Charity Martin "