Joe Ironside

[Copps is Magic]

What's happened compared to last season?

I mean more goals would be nice, but he's also been far less effective at disrupting play up top and bringing the ball into play, which was his game.

[Bentley Bullet]

In my opinion, strikers must be played regularly without fear of being dropped/subbed constantly to achieve maximum potential.

[keith79]

The service he is getting is pish poor. We have winger that would rather shoot from 25 yards out then cross it to him

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I thought he played well today, no worse than last year at all.

[McCammon egg n chips]

Are we allowed to criticise now? Because when I raised earlier this season there were plenty on her very sensitive of any criticism.

He's got as many goals and assists this season as Olowu. Just not good enough.

[GazLaz]

I thought he played well today, no worse than last year at all.

People judging performances by goals.Over achieved last season so likely to underperform this season to revert to the mean.

[ncRover]

Are we allowed to criticise now? Because when I raised earlier this season there were plenty on her very sensitive of any criticism.

He's got as many goals and assists this season as Olowu. Just not good enough.

Can we have examples of poor play from Ironside today please?

[McCammon egg n chips]

In my opinion, strikers must be played regularly without fear of being dropped/subbed constantly to achieve maximum potential.

I just think this is nonsense. He's played loads of minutes.

Ironside
Mins played 1,282
Goals 2

Sharp
Mins played 1,374
Goals 7

[McCammon egg n chips]

Are we allowed to criticise now? Because when I raised earlier this season there were plenty on her very sensitive of any criticism.

He's got as many goals and assists this season as Olowu. Just not good enough.

Can we have examples of poor play from Ironside today please?

Running through treacle on the counter
Pulled out of a one on one with the keeper
Back to goal when the ball comes to him, can't get a shot on
Running out to the corner randomly in the first minute of the second half

And it was admittedly one of his better games.

[Bentley Bullet]

In my opinion, strikers must be played regularly without fear of being dropped/subbed constantly to achieve maximum potential.

I just think this is nonsense. He's played loads of minutes.

Ironside
Mins played 1,282
Goals 2

Sharp
Mins played 1,374
Goals 7

I would guarantee that Ironside and Sharp would have scored many more if they had played in every game together and not been alternated.

[Padge_DRFC]

Pretty irrelevant who played up front today when our back 5 play a game of pass on their own.

[ncRover]

Are we allowed to criticise now? Because when I raised earlier this season there were plenty on her very sensitive of any criticism.

He's got as many goals and assists this season as Olowu. Just not good enough.

Can we have examples of poor play from Ironside today please?

Running through treacle on the counter
Pulled out of a one on one with the keeper
Back to goal when the ball comes to him, can't get a shot on
Running out to the corner randomly in the first minute of the second half

And it was admittedly one of his better games.

If he’s gone in to that challenge with the goalie he’d have been at risk of getting sent off or seriously injuring himself and the goalkeeper.

If you want to judge a target man by the things that a target man isn’t judged on then crack on.

Can you give an example of when he should have been facing goal to take a shot today?

[McCammon egg n chips]

Really don't get what the sensitivity with ironside is. He had a good season last year so we must never criticise him.

The fact is he does not look like scoring. From headers, from free kicks, crosses, balls through the middle, balls at the edge of the box.. You name it, he does not look like scoring right now.

I take no pleasure in that, I want him scoring goals for us. But it's an uncontestable fact he is on 2 goals in 24 matches which is incidentally worse form than when Joe Dodoo managed 4 goals in 33 games in our relegation year...

Defend all you like. Just know the form you're defending.

[KingKendrick]

Are we allowed to criticise now? Because when I raised earlier this season there were plenty on her very sensitive of any criticism.

He's got as many goals and assists this season as Olowu. Just not good enough.

Can we have examples of poor play from Ironside today please?

Running through treacle on the counter
Pulled out of a one on one with the keeper
Back to goal when the ball comes to him, can't get a shot on
Running out to the corner randomly in the first minute of the second half

And it was admittedly one of his better games.

If he’s gone in to that challenge with the goalie he’d have been at risk of getting sent off or seriously injuring himself and the goalkeeper.

If you want to judge a target man by the things that a target man isn’t judged on then crack on.

Can you give an example of when he should have been facing goal to take a shot today?

I think the issue is trying to play as a target man at 5ft 10 75kg you are going to come of worse than most proper centre backs just in a physical aspect. Don’t get me wrong he throws himself about but essentially as a number 9 you need to be contributing to goals/assists.

[dickos1]

He’s made a career as a target man so I don’t think you need to worry about that

[ravenrover]

You need decent service to be a threat at CF, at the moment we aren't providing that. Last season we were getting to the byline and pulling crosses back for oncoming forwards particularly Joe

[Pliskin]

As a goal threat Ironside has been absolutely useless this season.

It's not even like he's missing chances, he just isn't getting on the end of anything.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Pretty irrelevant who played up front today when our back 5 play a game of pass on their own.

They were passing it between themselves because typically there was absolutely zero movement from our front 6.

That was a shocking performance. Great that we ground out 3 points but there's something very wrong still in the side.

[CheeseToastie]

Emile Heskey only hit double figures 3 seasons in his career but played at a few major tournaments for England. It's not all about goals

[ravenrover]

As a goal threat Ironside has been absolutely useless this season.

It's not even like he's missing chances, he just isn't getting on the end of anything.

There's nothing for him to get on the end of

[coventryrover]

What's happened compared to last season?

I mean more goals would be nice, but he's also been far less effective at disrupting play up top and bringing the ball into play, which was his game.

Look st his heat map.   How much of it is in the box.   When he is in the box how good is our supply?

Any9ne watching can see it's not Ironside

[Arsenal Of The North]

The service he is getting is pish poor. We have winger that would rather shoot from 25 yards out then cross it to him

Exactly this. He is only as good as the service he gets, he battled as well as he could today.

[Pliskin]

As a goal threat Ironside has been absolutely useless this season.

It's not even like he's missing chances, he just isn't getting on the end of anything.

There's nothing for him to get on the end of

I agree that the service has been poor.

But the same can be said for Billy Sharp, yet he has 10 goals so far and has missed quite a few good chances.

[Copps is Magic]

Was the delivery that great last season? (until the run).

Something else from his game has been lost.

[ravenrover]

The big difference is Billy is an opportunist and is prepared to gamble in the box. How many headers does he win against a big CB, how many long punts does he control and hold up ? How many seasons has Joe had outside the bottom 2 divisions? You can hardly compare the 2

[DonnyBazR0ver]

What's happened compared to last season?

I mean more goals would be nice, but he's also been far less effective at disrupting play up top and bringing the ball into play, which was his game.

I was thinking the same today. Up to now I've been giving him the benefit of doubt, considering service, or lack of etc etc, but watching him more closely, I fear he's just going through the motions. Rarely, if at all, he's where we'd want him to be when crosses come in. We can debate the quality of crosses etc but there has been some decent ones but he's no where near getting into position to attack them, even at corners. His hold up play was ineffective, rarely getting control of the ball. His movements around the pitch are languid.

I watched that interview recently 'A coffee with...." when he talked about his family life and now how he's resumed his studies. He came across as being quite content with things and his talk about the actual football was about as exciting as his performances on the pitch at the mo.  I just think he's lost his hunger, his fire, his mo Joe.

Have a listen and see what you think but he's just not the same player.

[StocksArmy]

Im a big fan of Molyneux but I can't stomach another performance such as what we are seeing from him. Its annoying because he has proven on his day he is the best playerin the league but, he is a shadow at the moment. The old LM would cut in and look to whip it in for a glancing header or to put his foot through it. Sooner or later he needs to have a breather out the team.

[Ryaldinhio]

Im a big fan of Molyneux but I can't stomach another performance such as what we are seeing from him. Its annoying because he has proven on his day he is the best playerin the league but, he is a shadow at the moment. The old LM would cut in and look to whip it in for a glancing header or to put his foot through it. Sooner or later he needs to have a breather out the team.

Agree with this, Moly due a break, no end product today of getting the ball into the box. Turned inside, ran down a dead end, passed backwards.

[andyst79]

When Hurst got hooked instead of Moly that was criminal

[GazLaz]

When Hurst got hooked instead of Moly that was criminal

Absolutely dreadful decision. Moly has 1 goal and 1 assist in the last 13 games.