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Pancho Regan

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #120 on January 13, 2025, 09:11:45 am by Pancho Regan »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHOsinyElw

This should take you to a you tube video of the pens

Thanks Peebles.

That really does show what a t**t their keeper was!
So glad he got his comeuppance!



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Silkscarf

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #121 on January 13, 2025, 09:39:22 am by Silkscarf »
Did the penalties get taken at the Hull end AND they got to choose to take the first penalty?

I wondered about that. I thought we were done for when the ref pointed to their end and a Hull player was clearly going to take first kick.Then there was Tigergate for the first pen and I thought no that’s it.

But I think they may do 2 tosses (and we lost both)? One for the choice of ends, a second for choice of who goes first.

If so it’s unfair. Before a match it’s one toss isn’t it? It was when I played anyway. Winner chooses end to attack or to take the kickoff. Penalties should be the same.
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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #122 on January 13, 2025, 09:41:37 am by keyser_soze »
Did the penalties get taken at the Hull end AND they got to choose to take the first penalty?

I wondered about that. I thought we were done for when the ref pointed to their end and a Hull player was clearly going to take first kick.

But I think they may do 2 tosses (and we lost both)? One for the choice of ends, a second for choice of who goes first.

If so it’s unfair. Before a match it’s one toss isn’t it? It was when I played anyway. Winner chooses end to attack or to take the kickoff. Penalties should be the same.

Same thing happened in the playoffs against Crewe. Lost the toss for the end and who goes first. I believe Ref can mandate a certain end is used.

Silkscarf

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #123 on January 13, 2025, 09:43:47 am by Silkscarf »
Did the penalties get taken at the Hull end AND they got to choose to take the first penalty?

I wondered about that. I thought we were done for when the ref pointed to their end and a Hull player was clearly going to take first kick.

But I think they may do 2 tosses (and we lost both)? One for the choice of ends, a second for choice of who goes first.

If so it’s unfair. Before a match it’s one toss isn’t it? It was when I played anyway. Winner chooses end to attack or to take the kickoff. Penalties should be the same.

Same thing happened in the playoffs against Crewe. Lost the toss for the end and who goes first. I believe Ref can mandate a certain end is used.

The authorities need to look at that then. It’s clearly a massive advantage to get the right end. More fool Hull for not opening that stand!

DonnyBazR0ver

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #124 on January 13, 2025, 10:04:29 am by DonnyBazR0ver »
They said on the radio there's two tosses. One for choice of ends and one for who goes first.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #125 on January 13, 2025, 10:33:44 am by selby »
If you watch the game back you will realise just how lucky we were  that they were so bad in front of goal. we could just as easily have come away well beaten four or five, not our fault, but that's football and we cashed in.
  They ripped us to shreds down the left and put the ball wide of the far post from eight yards and headed the ball to our keeper from four yards while he was on the floor in the first half, and blazed two over from six or seven yards in the second half.
  Some of the consistently poorest finishing from a supposed second tier team I have ever seen.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #126 on January 13, 2025, 11:04:29 am by drfchound »
If you watch the game back you will realise just how lucky we were  that they were so bad in front of goal. we could just as easily have come away well beaten four or five, not our fault, but that's football and we cashed in.
  They ripped us to shreds down the left and put the ball wide of the far post from eight yards and headed the ball to our keeper from four yards while he was on the floor in the first half, and blazed two over from six or seven yards in the second half.
  Some of the consistently poorest finishing from a supposed second tier team I have ever seen.

Are you on about our left or the attacking left selby?
The linesman flagged for offside with regards to the header from four yards so it wouldn’t have counted anyway if it has gone in.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #127 on January 13, 2025, 11:15:31 am by colincramb »
Shows the gap though since we were last in the championship doesn’t it - as good as it was to win, we only created one chance and struggled to hold on to any real possession. And this is an against a team that’s struggling. 15 years ago we used to dominate possession at that level. Shows how things have changed.

selby

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #128 on January 13, 2025, 12:00:16 pm by selby »
  Teams in our division have attacked us down our left side of defence as we are weak there, both in pace and tackling on the edge of the box, a good example the one they put wide of the far post yesterday, bypassed on the edge of the box and the pass inside the full back beaten for pace, very similar to Molly's goal but a poor finish.
  Hull in contrast started the game with their little left winger the main attacking outlet, Sterry had his best defensive game  yesterday and did well, then they went at our left flank and had more joy and attacked that side mostly the rest of the game as we rarely stop the ball coming in the box from that side.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #129 on January 13, 2025, 10:19:13 pm by Usher wide. »
We may have rode our luck at times & for sure Hull City look like a team on the slide but, I bet they would jump at the chance, even if they stay up, of having Olowu, McGrath, Molyneau & Bailey on their books next season.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #130 on January 14, 2025, 02:18:02 pm by Bessie Red »
Did the penalties get taken at the Hull end AND they got to choose to take the first penalty?

I wondered about that. I thought we were done for when the ref pointed to their end and a Hull player was clearly going to take first kick.Then there was Tigergate for the first pen and I thought no that’s it.

But I think they may do 2 tosses (and we lost both)? One for the choice of ends, a second for choice of who goes first.

If so it’s unfair. Before a match it’s one toss isn’t it? It was when I played anyway. Winner chooses end to attack or to take the kickoff. Penalties should be the same.
Unless the game is at Charlton & the police decide which end the pens are taken!

Pancho Regan

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #131 on January 14, 2025, 02:41:46 pm by Pancho Regan »
I was wondering what would happen in this scenario:

Their keeper was booked for persistently trying to put off our players during the penalty shoot out. What if he carried on doing the same thing? Can a keeper be red-carded during a penalty shoot-out?!
And if so, what happens then?

A good one for the old "You are the ref" feature I used to read in 'Shoot!' magazine as a kid!

drfchound

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #132 on January 14, 2025, 03:27:07 pm by drfchound »
I was wondering what would happen in this scenario:

Their keeper was booked for persistently trying to put off our players during the penalty shoot out. What if he carried on doing the same thing? Can a keeper be red-carded during a penalty shoot-out?!
And if so, what happens then?

A good one for the old "You are the ref" feature I used to read in 'Shoot!' magazine as a kid!

That is a good question Pancho and I have a feeling we might have discussed it before on here but I don’t remember the outcome.
However, if a keeper can’t be red carded (for two yellows) in a shoot out then what is the point of issuing the first yellow?

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #133 on January 14, 2025, 03:28:51 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #134 on January 14, 2025, 04:16:42 pm by rich1471 »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #135 on January 14, 2025, 04:19:35 pm by rich1471 »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match
A little known law in the UEFA rulebooks allowed Emi Martinez to avoid being sent off despite being booked twice in Aston Villa's dramatic penalty shootout win over Lille in the Europa Conference League.

The Argentina goalkeeper was booked for time wasting during the match and then shown a second yellow card during the penalty shootout for antagonising Lille fans, who had targeted him all night, behind the goal.


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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #136 on January 14, 2025, 04:26:01 pm by PDX_Rover »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match

Well that’s a shite rule then.

Pancho Regan

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #137 on January 14, 2025, 04:27:37 pm by Pancho Regan »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match
A little known law in the UEFA rulebooks allowed Emi Martinez to avoid being sent off despite being booked twice in Aston Villa's dramatic penalty shootout win over Lille in the Europa Conference League.

The Argentina goalkeeper was booked for time wasting during the match and then shown a second yellow card during the penalty shootout for antagonising Lille fans, who had targeted him all night, behind the goal.

Thanks rich1471, I thought it must have happened somewhere / sometime.

So there's no immediate consequence if the keeper continues goading the opponent's penalty takers, but of course there would be a subsequent ban.

That answers my question, thanks.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #138 on January 14, 2025, 05:04:58 pm by rich1471 »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match
A little known law in the UEFA rulebooks allowed Emi Martinez to avoid being sent off despite being booked twice in Aston Villa's dramatic penalty shootout win over Lille in the Europa Conference League.

The Argentina goalkeeper was booked for time wasting during the match and then shown a second yellow card during the penalty shootout for antagonising Lille fans, who had targeted him all night, behind the goal.

Thanks rich1471, I thought it must have happened somewhere / sometime.

So there's no immediate consequence if the keeper continues goading the opponent's penalty takers, but of course there would be a subsequent ban.

That answers my question, thanks.
non what so ever ,seems a very strange rule , a goalie at a penalty shootout to do what he wants knowing he cannot be sent off

drfchound

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #139 on January 14, 2025, 08:24:53 pm by drfchound »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match
A little known law in the UEFA rulebooks allowed Emi Martinez to avoid being sent off despite being booked twice in Aston Villa's dramatic penalty shootout win over Lille in the Europa Conference League.

The Argentina goalkeeper was booked for time wasting during the match and then shown a second yellow card during the penalty shootout for antagonising Lille fans, who had targeted him all night, behind the goal.

Thanks Rich, that was the one we discussed last year.
Strange rules though, effectively then the keeper get a yellow card on every penalty and not be sent off.

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Re: Let's talk about the Hull City cup game
« Reply #140 on January 14, 2025, 09:22:49 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
My guess is the keeper can be sent off. He could have a yellow already in the match. Then I guess an outfield player from those who finished extra time would go in goal.
wrong a keeper cannot be sent off in a penalty shout even if he gets a red card it happened this season not sure of the match
A little known law in the UEFA rulebooks allowed Emi Martinez to avoid being sent off despite being booked twice in Aston Villa's dramatic penalty shootout win over Lille in the Europa Conference League.

The Argentina goalkeeper was booked for time wasting during the match and then shown a second yellow card during the penalty shootout for antagonising Lille fans, who had targeted him all night, behind the goal.



Must be that same rule they applied when Charlie Austin was booked twice then at the EcoMoat.

 

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