Peter O ‘Rourke on X

[ncRover]

Who is stupid enough to take Close and Westbrook off us?

I would assume we could move them out on loan but we would still have to pay a percentage of their wages. Not a single club would offer them a contract better than the one they are on here. So it’s looking like we are stuck with them. They probably wouldn’t even pass the medical!

Due to injuries, Westbrooke played more games than Richard Wood, Jamie Sterry, Kyle Hurst and James Maxwell last year. But let’s keep bullying him because he’s an easy target.

And he’s not joined to Ben Close at the hip.

[Silkscarf]

We must have a great chance of getting him. He had an amazing time here last season, he knows he’ll slot right in with teammates and coaches and we’re poised for a decent end of season once again.

Mansfield would be a load of unknowns, more risky. We’re a banker for him. Get more experience with us then League One club in summer.

It’s a shame you aren’t his agent mate.

Well, we can advise him like a good friend might. OK we’re biased, but it’s possible he’ll read this before he decides. After things didn’t go to plan at Oakwell he might want to feel the love of the Rovers fans again.

[Usher wide.]

We must have a great chance of getting him. He had an amazing time here last season, he knows he’ll slot right in with teammates and coaches and we’re poised for a decent end of season once again.

Mansfield would be a load of unknowns, more risky. We’re a banker for him. Get more experience with us then League One club in summer.

It’s a shame you aren’t his agent mate.

Well, we can advise him like a good friend might. OK we’re biased, but it’s possible he’ll read this before he decides. After things didn’t go to plan at Oakwell he might want to feel the love of the Rovers fans again.

I think that may have swayed Billy to come back & reckon Marquis would have come too for that reason had we wanted him.

Being in this god awful division would deter the likes of Malik & Herbie had they been available.

[PDX_Rover]

Tasty. Continue his growth. Little ramp up.

[Pancho Regan]

I do hope this happens because he improved markedly during his time with us and became a key player in our midfield.

I would just have a little concern that he has been 'bigged up' by so many on here it's almost like we're awaiting the return of the Messiah.

If he does come back I hope he hits the ground running otherwise the honeymoon could be short-lived with some on here.

[Donnywolf]

I will make a pact


If he comes back I will take a break from decrying Refs for 4 home games


I will also stop mentioning the ***** **** ***** for 90 days (I've ADDED the 90 as a clue but just this TIME)


If you know you will know

[Ho]

I do hope this happens because he improved markedly during his time with us and became a key player in our midfield.

I would just have a little concern that he has been 'bigged up' by so many on here it's almost like we're awaiting the return of the Messiah.

If he does come back I hope he hits the ground running otherwise the honeymoon could be short-lived with some on here.

Correct. Progression is never a straight line

[ncRover]

Seven fit and available central midfielders whose signings / contract renewals have been rubber stamped by McCann and he wants another!

But we need another better midfield player.Then the club can try and sort out what happens to others.

Perhaps so, but I think people picking on Close and Westbrooke has gone too far. They have nothing to do with our poor form.
It’s unfair to offer players contracts then change your mind on them and freeze them out. Particularly Zain, who has never really performed badly for us.
McCann signed another 3 central midfielders after BC and ZW renewals and he still needs more.
If we go up the club and manager need to be a lot smarter, because Bramall’s investment won’t be as notable relative to L1 and it’s currently papering over the cracks of poor squad planning in L2.

[Spud]

I will make a pact


If he comes back I will take a break from decrying Refs for 4 home games


I will also stop mentioning the ***** **** ***** for 90 days (I've ADDED the 90 as a clue but just this TIME)


If you know you will know

No ya won't 

[ForsolongaRover]

We must have a great chance of getting him. He had an amazing time here last season, he knows he’ll slot right in with teammates and coaches and we’re poised for a decent end of season once again.

Mansfield would be a load of unknowns, more risky. We’re a banker for him. Get more experience with us then League One club in summer.

Mansfield have a very experienced manager and sit 4th in the League 1 Form Table. I too would like to see how well he can slot into our current team. He presumably has a base up here and would probably be able to keep it playing for us whereas Mansfield is possibly that bit too far. Immediate popularity, regular selection and familiar surroundings would all go to ensure he would have every confidence if he came back, but career-wise you could not blame him for choosing Mansfield. How persuasive is Nigel Clough compared with GM? Probably not much to choose between them.   

[Boycie]

Although he had a good half season with us i don't think it would boil down to him liking his time with us, if it it came down to us or Mansfield and they offered him say 1 grand or 2 grand a week on what we could offer, I think I know where he would go.

[In the box]

Although he had a good half season with us i don't think it would boil down to him liking his time with us, if it it came down to us or Mansfield and they offered him say 1 grand or 2 grand a week on what we could offer, I think I know where he would go.

Is Craig the only iron in the fire ?

[StocksArmy]

Who is stupid enough to take Close and Westbrook off us?

I would assume we could move them out on loan but we would still have to pay a percentage of their wages. Not a single club would offer them a contract better than the one they are on here. So it’s looking like we are stuck with them. They probably wouldn’t even pass the medical!

Due to injuries, Westbrooke played more games than Richard Wood, Jamie Sterry, Kyle Hurst and James Maxwell last year. But let’s keep bullying him because he’s an easy target.

And he’s not joined to Ben Close at the hip.

If you read the post I never mentioned why I think a club wouldn’t offer them a contract. The reason for that is because they are not very good and won’t play for anybody higher than us. But yes, they are both still injured far too much regardless and yes, I know Close was done with a bad challenge at Bradford.

[dickos1]

Although he had a good half season with us i don't think it would boil down to him liking his time with us, if it it came down to us or Mansfield and they offered him say 1 grand or 2 grand a week on what we could offer, I think I know where he would go.

He’ll be earning exactly the same as it’s a loan

[DearneValleyRover]

I would imagine that he would spend time on the bench at Mansfield like he did at Barnsley as they have a decent midfield so I doubt he’s going there

[ncRover]

I would imagine that he would spend time on the bench at Mansfield like he did at Barnsley as they have a decent midfield so I doubt he’s going there

Looks like the same midfield they had in League 2 last year?

[DearneValleyRover]

I would imagine that he would spend time on the bench at Mansfield like he did at Barnsley as they have a decent midfield so I doubt he’s going there

Looks like the same midfield they had in League 2 last year?

It’s not doing that bad in League One

[Nudga]

I would imagine that he would spend time on the bench at Mansfield like he did at Barnsley as they have a decent midfield so I doubt he’s going there

Looks like the same midfield they had in League 2 last year?

It’s not doing that bad in League One

I wonder if they recruited with Lg1 in mind?

If we went up, I think we'd need half a rebuild. 

[Ian Nimmo]

My understanding is that he will be on the wages as per his spurs contract. It likely that this could be higher than what we pay our players.
The money we pay is to spurs, thus likely Mansfield would offer more to spurs than us seen as they are league above us.
My guess is would be that spurs will be looking at what Mansfield are promising regarding game time.
Copps has a good relationship with the team at spurs, so if we are intimating mc will start all games, then we do have a fair chance.

[Filo]

Maybe we are waiting for the outcome of the cup game to see our final prize money fund

[StocksArmy]

Another factor about loans is the loaning club can insist that a player starts when fit,  well McCann can give assurance about that in a way that Clough cannot

GM said last season that he would never take a player if their club insisted he start when fit and same goes for our own players going out to other clubs.

[ForsolongaRover]

Another factor about loans is the loaning club can insist that a player starts when fit,  well McCann can give assurance about that in a way that Clough cannot

GM said last season that he would never take a player if their club insisted he start when fit and same goes for our own players going out to other clubs.

Whatever Grant said about incoming 18 months ago is irrelevant now.
He wants/needs Craig, I wrote that Grant can give assurance when he's asked privately by Spurs as to the regularity of him starting games,  indeed though it's unlikely,  a crisis in defence occurs and Bailey reverts back there  that could mean Craig as the first midfielder on the team sheet. Also possible given that event we could have a midfield of two on loans.
I'd say the signing of Matt Craig is about as certain as possible

What does “certain as possible” mean? It is not Rovers’ decision is it?

[Drover]

Alot of talk about wages involved in a loan,but am I right in thinking,there is now often a lump sum/signing fee in loans?

[StocksArmy]

Did anybody read the article that Ricky Charlesworth posted on X for DFP regarding this window and get the vibe that we need to move players on if we are to bring anybody else in? I couldn’t make out whether that’s what was being suggested or if we have to be patient for other clubs to get players in before a move to us could happen or perhaps even both.

[ForsolongaRover]

Alot of talk about wages involved in a loan,but am I right in thinking,there is now often a lump sum/signing fee in loans?

… or a “contribution to wages” perhaps. I suppose when making deals, anything is possible.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

My understanding the player will receive his normal pay from his parent club. A loan fee is negotiated between clubs taking a few factors into account plus the frequency the fee might be paid, either by one off payment or installments. The parent club invoices the loaning club at agreed intervals. As you may be aware the payment of loan fees have been tightened up so that clubs pay up in good time. This was why we fell foul of the new rules a year ago when we received that suspended sanction from the EFL when our payment to Brighton went outside the 21 or 28 days (can't remember which and can't remember the player. Not Taylor Richards)

[silent majority]

My understanding the player will receive his normal pay from his parent club. A loan fee is negotiated between clubs taking a few factors into account plus the frequency the fee might be paid, either by one off payment or installments. The parent club invoices the loaning club at agreed intervals. As you may be aware the payment of loan fees have been tightened up so that clubs pay up in good time. This was why we fell foul of the new rules a year ago when we received that suspended sanction from the EFL when our payment to Brighton went outside the 21 or 28 days (can't remember which and can't remember the player. Not Taylor Richards)

Spot on Baz, I was going to post something similar.

Just to clarify, for others, we don't pay the players wages, DRFC are invoiced an agreed fee which is settled depending on the agreed terms.

[mushRTID]

My understanding the player will receive his normal pay from his parent club. A loan fee is negotiated between clubs taking a few factors into account plus the frequency the fee might be paid, either by one off payment or installments. The parent club invoices the loaning club at agreed intervals. As you may be aware the payment of loan fees have been tightened up so that clubs pay up in good time. This was why we fell foul of the new rules a year ago when we received that suspended sanction from the EFL when our payment to Brighton went outside the 21 or 28 days (can't remember which and can't remember the player. Not Taylor Richards)

Super Todd Millar

What a player!!

[drfchound]

Miller is currently out on loan at Billericay Town (from Wealdstone).

[DonnyBazR0ver]

My understanding the player will receive his normal pay from his parent club. A loan fee is negotiated between clubs taking a few factors into account plus the frequency the fee might be paid, either by one off payment or installments. The parent club invoices the loaning club at agreed intervals. As you may be aware the payment of loan fees have been tightened up so that clubs pay up in good time. This was why we fell foul of the new rules a year ago when we received that suspended sanction from the EFL when our payment to Brighton went outside the 21 or 28 days (can't remember which and can't remember the player. Not Taylor Richards)

Super Todd Millar

What a player!!

You can understand why I forgot! (Probably the reason we 'forgot' to pay the invoice)

Now there was a player with pace...but nothing else!