Head of safety statement

[ravenrover]

Throwing a bottle !!!!

[Donnywolf]

Damn ... Well all have to go topless now 

[ForsolongaRover]

Easy way to stop it get referees and Lino's that know what they are doing and act neutral

Unfortunately, the requirement for a referee to be neutral and/or act in an impartial manner doesn’t appear anywhere in the FA’s Laws of the Game.…..
 
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-5---the-referee

People who are appointed to uphold rules and laws are there to do just that. Is that not obvious to you?

[Wiltshire Exile]

Well if managers and  players cut out the attempts at cheating that might see a glimmer of hope that refs will improve.
We all know that's not going to happen though

Couldn’t agree more! Well said, ravenrover!   

[PDX_Rover]

Ref was still a feckless tw@t though.

[Donnywolf]

Yes , agree and I posted this at the time

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293171.0#msg1365049

[Not Now Kato]

Easy way to stop it get referees and Lino's that know what they are doing and act neutral

Unfortunately, the requirement for a referee to be neutral and/or act in an impartial manner doesn’t appear anywhere in the FA’s Laws of the Game.…..
 
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-5---the-referee

People who are appointed to uphold rules and laws are there to do just that. Is that not obvious to you?

From the rules of Rugby Union....
 
Duties of the referee during a match
 
6.5
 
a. The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match. The referee must apply the laws of the game fairly in every match.

b. The referee keeps the time. However, the match organiser may appoint a time-keeper who will signify the end of each half.

c. The referee keeps the score.
 
There is no similar requirement for impartiality within the rules of refereeing a football match. Is that not obvious to you?

[ForsolongaRover]

Easy way to stop it get referees and Lino's that know what they are doing and act neutral

Unfortunately, the requirement for a referee to be neutral and/or act in an impartial manner doesn’t appear anywhere in the FA’s Laws of the Game.…..
 
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-5---the-referee

People who are appointed to uphold rules and laws are there to do just that. Is that not obvious to you?

From the rules of Rugby Union....
 
Duties of the referee during a match
 
6.5
 
a. The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match. The referee must apply the laws of the game fairly in every match.

b. The referee keeps the time. However, the match organiser may appoint a time-keeper who will signify the end of each half.

c. The referee keeps the score.
 
There is no similar requirement for impartiality within the rules of refereeing a football match. Is that not obvious to you?

You cannot really believe that the referee of a football match has no obligation to be impartial do  you? Don't you think that if it were so, the need to specify it in the Laws of the Game would have been suitably amended a long time ago? If you don't enforce rules fairly you aren't enforcing them. Perhaps this needs to be spelled out to Rugby Union officials, but using it as some kind of legal precedent to indicate a fundamental flaw in the rules of some other sport proves nothing.   

If you refer to the Laws of the Game and "The Referee" which is at Law 5 it says:
1. The authority of the referee

Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce the Laws of the Game in connection with the match.

2. Decisions of the referee

Decisions will be made to the best of the referee's ability according to the Laws of the Game and the 'spirit of the game' and will be based on the opinion of the referee who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.

The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
 and...
3. Powers and duties

The referee:
-enforces the Laws of the Game
-controls the match in cooperation with the other match officials
-acts as timekeeper, keeps a record of the match and provides the appropriate authorities with a match report, including information on disciplinary action and any other incidents that occurred before, during or after the match
-supervises and/or indicates the restart of play
ADVANTAGE
-allows play to continue when an offence occurs and the non-offending team will benefit from the advantage and penalises the offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
DISCIPLINARY ACTION

-punishes the more serious offence, in terms of sanction, restart, physical severity and tactical impact, when more than one offence occurs at the same time
-takes disciplinary action against players guilty of cautionable and sending-off offences
-has the authority to take disciplinary action from entering the field of play for the pre-match inspection until leaving the field of play after the match ends (including penalties (penalty shoot-out)). If, before entering the field of play at the start of the match, a player commits a sending-off offence, the referee has the authority to prevent the player taking part in the match (see Law 3.6); the referee will report any other misconduct
-has the power to show yellow or red cards and, where competition rules permit, temporarily dismiss a player, from entering the field of play at the start of the match until after the match has ended, including during the half-time interval, extra time and penalties (penalty shoot-out).
-takes action against team officials who fail to act in a responsible manner and warns or shows a yellow card for a caution or a red card for a sending-off from the field of play and its immediate surrounds, including the technical area; if the offender cannot be identified, the senior coach present in the technical area will receive the sanction. A medical team official who commits a sending-off offence may remain if the team has no other medical person available, and act if a player needs medical attention
-acts on the advice of other match officials regarding incidents that the referee has not seen".

I cannot reduce this to words of one syllable, but it is implicit that rules are not rules if they are not enforced fairly. This is the way that all Rules and the Law itself works.

If you really believe that you have uncovered a flaw in the Laws of the Game I suggest you write to the FA and tell them they have got it wrong. I would be very interested to hear what they tell you.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Agree 100 % idm.

I'm one of the worst scorers ( nay I'm the worst ) on Rate the Ref and I was right there above the Tunnel after that game but as you say it is not acceptable to descend into lawlessness and or violence however much the Officials may provoke those reactions

You've played the game right? Have you refereed a game at any level? I reffed a Sunday morning match once when a ref couldn't turn up, and it was hard enough!

Without refs, we haven't got a game. How can we encourage people to take up officiating if we continue making villains out of them and victims of this sort of abuse or worse?

I'm as guilty as anyone shouting at the officials but it should never descend into anything else.

Maybe the head of referees should be getting a better grip on the situation. The standard of referees is pretty poor and seems to be getting worse. There is zero consistency from week to week. Surely the management of the referees can see this? We can't all be wrong, can we? It isn't just Rovers fans, we hear it every week from fans up and down the country.

It's the natural consequence when referees are faced with treatment of this kind.

How many potentially good refs will say to themselves 'sod this for a lark, it's not worth this hassle', leaving us with the dregs we get that no level of referee management can do anything about?

[Not Now Kato]

Easy way to stop it get referees and Lino's that know what they are doing and act neutral

Unfortunately, the requirement for a referee to be neutral and/or act in an impartial manner doesn’t appear anywhere in the FA’s Laws of the Game.…..
 
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-5---the-referee

People who are appointed to uphold rules and laws are there to do just that. Is that not obvious to you?

From the rules of Rugby Union....
 
Duties of the referee during a match
 
6.5
 
a. The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match. The referee must apply the laws of the game fairly in every match.

b. The referee keeps the time. However, the match organiser may appoint a time-keeper who will signify the end of each half.

c. The referee keeps the score.
 
There is no similar requirement for impartiality within the rules of refereeing a football match. Is that not obvious to you?

You cannot really believe that the referee of a football match has no obligation to be impartial do  you? Don't you think that if it were so, the need to specify it in the Laws of the Game would have been suitably amended a long time ago? If you don't enforce rules fairly you aren't enforcing them. Perhaps this needs to be spelled out to Rugby Union officials, but using it as some kind of legal precedent to indicate a fundamental flaw in the rules of some other sport proves nothing.   

If you refer to the Laws of the Game and "The Referee" which is at Law 5 it says:
1. The authority of the referee

Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce the Laws of the Game in connection with the match.

2. Decisions of the referee

Decisions will be made to the best of the referee's ability according to the Laws of the Game and the 'spirit of the game' and will be based on the opinion of the referee who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the Laws of the Game.

The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
 and...
3. Powers and duties

The referee:
-enforces the Laws of the Game
-controls the match in cooperation with the other match officials
-acts as timekeeper, keeps a record of the match and provides the appropriate authorities with a match report, including information on disciplinary action and any other incidents that occurred before, during or after the match
-supervises and/or indicates the restart of play
ADVANTAGE
-allows play to continue when an offence occurs and the non-offending team will benefit from the advantage and penalises the offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
DISCIPLINARY ACTION

-punishes the more serious offence, in terms of sanction, restart, physical severity and tactical impact, when more than one offence occurs at the same time
-takes disciplinary action against players guilty of cautionable and sending-off offences
-has the authority to take disciplinary action from entering the field of play for the pre-match inspection until leaving the field of play after the match ends (including penalties (penalty shoot-out)). If, before entering the field of play at the start of the match, a player commits a sending-off offence, the referee has the authority to prevent the player taking part in the match (see Law 3.6); the referee will report any other misconduct
-has the power to show yellow or red cards and, where competition rules permit, temporarily dismiss a player, from entering the field of play at the start of the match until after the match has ended, including during the half-time interval, extra time and penalties (penalty shoot-out).
-takes action against team officials who fail to act in a responsible manner and warns or shows a yellow card for a caution or a red card for a sending-off from the field of play and its immediate surrounds, including the technical area; if the offender cannot be identified, the senior coach present in the technical area will receive the sanction. A medical team official who commits a sending-off offence may remain if the team has no other medical person available, and act if a player needs medical attention
-acts on the advice of other match officials regarding incidents that the referee has not seen".

I cannot reduce this to words of one syllable, but it is implicit that rules are not rules if they are not enforced fairly. This is the way that all Rules and the Law itself works.

If you really believe that you have uncovered a flaw in the Laws of the Game I suggest you write to the FA and tell them they have got it wrong. I would be very interested to hear what they tell you.

So, you quoted from the link I already posted. Yet you clearly miss the point. If you think referees are required, by the rules, to be impartial without that requirement being stated in those rules, (as they are in other sports), why then do we see so many refs, at all levels, not applying the rules equally?
 

[IDM]

I don’t think they are biased or imbalanced, just miss lots of things.  Perhaps it’s their positioning - I don’t know - but they can only give what they see.

However the one yesterday must have been getting confused with the RL markings on the pitch, especially where ironside was involved.