Budget/Funds

[Ryaldinhio]

Can somebody enlighten me as to what Grant has had to spend?

It seems everyone is repeating the fact so I'm assuming you all know something I don't?

Have any figures been publicised?

Dont you all rambert previous renditions when we were told we had a large budget in the top 4 of the league only later to be told it was bottom half?

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us, this is only an assumption because figures aren't publicised.

We signed free players and non-league players. Other than Billy where has any money gone - again an assumption Billy is on big bucks. We payed a fee for Broadbent, any others?

I think we must be outperforming our budget based on league position as there will be teams below us with a higher budget.

Chelsea are proving you can't buy success so it is irrelevant really.

Just fed up of hearing this argument/statement when there is no FACT to it.

Someone please correct me.

[GazLaz]

We’ve got lots of players. The budget will be bigger than it has been for a number of years.

[Padge_DRFC]

Look at the bench every week and there's your answer. Not a single kid has been on the bench all season. Even yesterday it looked strong with 4 big players out injured.

Close and Westbrook look poor choices but up until February last season without them at the time our midfield couldn't string 2 passes together. In fact that's quite true now.

The budget built a bigger squad, but not one player bar the keeper (v Jones/Lawlor) and Street has improved the starting 11.

Our midfield is worse than at the end without Craig.

Adelakun just had a magic 4 months which anyone coming in is near impossible to do what he did again.

Fortunately for us 4 players have massively improved in the last 12 months.

Oluwu, McGrath, Sterry, Molyneux.

Maxwell and Bailey for me already very good and doing well.

Leaves us a few light still

[GazLaz]

Close and Westbrook not had a sniff and they will be on plenty a week between them. We signed Billy Sharp… he won’t be playing for a grand a week will he.

[Ryaldinhio]

We’ve got lots of players. The budget will be bigger than it has been for a number of years.

I don't doubt that Gaz, but just because it's a bigger budget than previous years doesn't mean it's a big budget.

People talk like we are the Chelsea or Man City of the league like GM could have signed whoever he wanted.

[Ryaldinhio]

Look at the bench every week and there's your answer. Not a single kid has been on the bench all season. Even yesterday it looked strong with 4 big players out injured.

Close and Westbrook look poor choices but up until February last season without them at the time our midfield couldn't string 2 passes together. In fact that's quite true now.

The budget built a bigger squad, but not one player bar the keeper (v Jones/Lawlor) and Street has improved the starting 11.

Our midfield is worse than at the end without Craig.

Adelakun just had a magic 4 months which anyone coming in is near impossible to do what he did again.

Fortunately for us 4 players have massively improved in the last 12 months.

Oluwu, McGrath, Sterry, Molyneux.

Maxwell and Bailey for me already very good and doing well.

Leaves us a few light still

Agree with the above.

[Ryaldinhio]

Close and Westbrook not had a sniff and they will be on plenty a week between them. We signed Billy Sharp… he won’t be playing for a grand a week will he.

How do you know what close and westbrook will be on?

Westbrook was on the left overs pile without a job when we picked him up.

Who knows what Billy is on?

If you read the original post this us what I am asking.....does anyone actually know or is it all assumptions???

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Even if we knew the numbers, it wouldn't make much sense to the average man. Unless, we know the budgets of every team, the wages of every player, it's impossible to make sense of whether it's money well spent or not.

McCann went for squad depth so we might debate whether the balance of quantity v quality is right and maybe that won't be justified until the end of the season.

Maybe players should wear shirts with their Names, number and annual wage printed on their backs?

[Ryaldinhio]

Even if we knew the numbers, it wouldn't make much sense to the average man. Unless, we know the budgets of every team, the wages of every player, it's impossible to make sense of whether it's money well spent or not.

McCann went for squad depth so we might debate whether the balance of quantity v quality is right and maybe that won't be justified until the end of the season.

Maybe players should wear shirts with their Names, number and annual wage printed on their backs?

Baz you have the wrong end of the stick here.......I'm getting fed up of ppl quoting this budget GM has and the funds made available.

We haven't got a clue if it's good bad or indifferent.

[redarmi66]

Even if we knew the numbers, it wouldn't make much sense to the average man. Unless, we know the budgets of every team, the wages of every player, it's impossible to make sense of whether it's money well spent or not.

McCann went for squad depth so we might debate whether the balance of quantity v quality is right and maybe that won't be justified until the end of the season.

Maybe players should wear shirts with their Names, number and annual wage printed on their backs?

Baz you have the wrong end of the stick here.......I'm getting fed up of ppl quoting this budget GM has and the funds made available.

We haven't got a clue if it's good bad or indifferent.

The bottom line here is that we have a really good budget for our level. We are never going to be privy to the figure or players salaries. You can see that from the size and depth of the squad compared recently years. I think we anticipated more injuries than we have had. For me, despite the choices available we have yet to find the right blend across the first eleven.

[NickDRFC]

McCann will know where it sits relative to other clubs in the division and he wouldn’t be coming out saying we want to win the league if the budget of other clubs was dwarfing ours.

[mushRTID]

The minute Maxwell got injured in the second game we went and got Fleming.
Emmanuel came in too after an injury.
We’ve given new contracts and signed players in January who can’t get a start/place on the bench.
Grant has repeatedly spoken of our strong squad.

Just because we don’t know the specific numbers, it’s fairly clear our budget is decent.

[GazLaz]

No manager would set the target as finishing top unless they had a good budget.

[idler]

The size of the budget is only part of the formula of success. Using it to its full potential is just as or even more important.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Even if we knew the numbers, it wouldn't make much sense to the average man. Unless, we know the budgets of every team, the wages of every player, it's impossible to make sense of whether it's money well spent or not.

McCann went for squad depth so we might debate whether the balance of quantity v quality is right and maybe that won't be justified until the end of the season.

Maybe players should wear shirts with their Names, number and annual wage printed on their backs?

Baz you have the wrong end of the stick here.......I'm getting fed up of ppl quoting this budget GM has and the funds made available.

We haven't got a clue if it's good bad or indifferent.

It's simple logic.

If we are able to give multi-year contracts to players who were among the best we had in the squad 2 years ago, then never select them, our budget can't be that bad.

It's clearly unrecognisably better than it was 2 years ago.

[Ryaldinhio]

So, as per original post

No one knows

Everyone is assuming

 

[andyst79]

The minute Maxwell got injured in the second game we went and got Fleming.
Emmanuel came in too after an injury.
We’ve given new contracts and signed players in January who can’t get a start/place on the bench.
Grant has repeatedly spoken of our strong squad.

Just because we don’t know the specific numbers, it’s fairly clear our budget is decent.

Got a lot of business done early in the summer which was refreshing so he's clearly been backed and stated he was happy with the squad on numerous occasions

[Reg of the Rovers]

It's more surmising that assuming. We have a big squad with lots of senior players - two players per position - our bench can include Billy Sharp, Joe Ironside, Richard Wood and Tom Anderson on a regular basis. We don't have the exact pounds and pennies but surely we can surmise on that basis that it's a highly competitive budget at this level, and much better than any manager has had at this club since at least Darren Moore. If Grant has assembled this squad with the same money Danny Schofield had then hats off to him, he's a genius. If not, he's at risk of underachieving with a significant investment.

[NickDRFC]

At the last Meet the Owners, McCann had this to say:

“I think we've got a really good team and squad and thanks to Terry and Gavin for giving us the finances to do it”

“We feel like we've got a bloated squad at this moment in time. There's 25/26 first team players when all are fit. We were struggling to pick a bench at the start of last season and we have no such problems now.”

He’s said things like this all season, and it’s clear to me that he’s very happy with what he’s had to spend. The title talk wouldn’t be happening if he had a budget that didn’t compare favourably to our rivals.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

[GazLaz]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

There aren’t.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

There aren’t.

Where are we in the spend table Gaz? Genuine question.

[vaya]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

[vaya]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

[vaya]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

[vaya]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

"I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us".

Twice you've stated that.

If anyone else has been more specific than that in this thread, I'm happy to see it.

[Metalmicky]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

There aren’t.

Where are we in the spend table Gaz? Genuine question.

I think you got your answer - he doesn't have a clue.... like the rest of us.