Final league position

[DonnyOsmond]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

Are you sure you want to mention form?

[Filo]

Win this Saturday and let others worry about us, we shouldn’t play with fear

[selby]

  It will be what it will be, exciting isn't it, but we will have ups and downs for a few weeks nothing in football goes in a straight line, be prepared to be top of the world, or as arsy as hell.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So many ways to look at it all.  My take on the league position is we've not managed to get to P1 yet and I'm not sure we will.  But we've largely been in the top 3 for long spells.  I've faith we will do that.

What is worthy of note is that we are likely to beat last year's points total quite clearly, so that's progress for sure.  I'd rather be playing teams up the top at this stage as we can impact them and they'll be looking to do the same to us, rather than a team who are just out to win one game.  This is where the experienced players need to step up and I think we have seen a bit of that from Molyneux, Sharp, Anderson (who's form has been underrated IMO) of late.  Mccann also has a title under his belt in the past so that should help him a bit (hopefully Darren Moore bottles it again).

All games are tough, we can only do our bit as fans and get right behind them in every game.

[drfchound]

Win this Saturday and let others worry about us, we shouldn’t play with fear

Exactly Filo. Any player worth his salt wants to play in the big games and we have six very big games coming up.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

We hope last seasons experience of falling at the penultimate hurdle will help towards galvanising the management and the squad. Keeping our discipline when rhe pressure mounts is a big factor and what was good about the win at Cheltenham was not panicking and our big players delivered.

Going all gung ho in the remaining matches puts us at risk of being picked off so, patience is a great virtue waiting for those right moments to strike.

The next couple of weeks will be nerve shredding that's for sure. I just hope as a fanbase we support every player who goes onto the pitch with the same vigour as no matter what opinions we might have, they are all potential match winners. 

[Wiltshire Exile]

What is the least number of points that a club has gained and achieved automatic promotion from L’ge 2 to L’ge 1?…just asking!

[ncRover]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

I thought dickos logic determined that you can’t just pick a “random number” of games to make a point?

[pib]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

How do you figure we have "by far" the hardest run-in?

Average current league position of teams left to face in the run-in, not taking into account anything more than current league position:
Wimbledon 8.2
Donny 8.7
Bradford 9.4
Notts Co 10.4
Vale 13.2
Walsall 16.6

We have one of the harder ones, but not by far the hardest.

Interestingly SoccerStats run-in analysis, taking into account home/away PPG ranks the run-ins as follows, from statistically most difficult to least:
Bradford
Notts
Wimbledon
Donny
Vale
Walsall

Click this link and on the 'statistics' drop-down select run-in analysis: https://www.soccerstats.com/table.asp?league=england4&tid=10


Swindon and Chesterfield away should both be tricky games for Bradford whether they've got anything to play for or not. Wimbledon have got us, Port Vale, Grimsby, Chesterfield (in good form) and Gillingham who appear to be improving.

Plenty of twists and turns to come still I think. We really need to find another gear in the remaining games.

[selby]

  We have the skills sets to get automatic promotion, it is now about organisation and preparation by the management team and application and desire on the players part.
  Fail on any and we will make it harder for ourselves. We need to be at or near the top of our game for as many games as possible to the end of the season.

[RoverinLincs]

After last years disaster in the play offs, there’s no way we want to go into that again

[ncRover]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

How do you figure we have "by far" the hardest run-in?

Average current league position of teams left to face in the run-in, not taking into account anything more than current league position:
Wimbledon 8.2
Donny 8.7
Bradford 9.4
Notts Co 10.4
Vale 13.2
Walsall 16.6

We have one of the harder ones, but not by far the hardest.

Interestingly SoccerStats run-in analysis, taking into account home/away PPG ranks the run-ins as follows, from statistically most difficult to least:
Bradford
Notts
Wimbledon
Donny
Vale
Walsall

Click this link and on the 'statistics' drop-down select run-in analysis: https://www.soccerstats.com/table.asp?league=england4&tid=10


Swindon and Chesterfield away should both be tricky games for Bradford whether they've got anything to play for or not. Wimbledon have got us, Port Vale, Grimsby, Chesterfield (in good form) and Gillingham who appear to be improving.

Plenty of twists and turns to come still I think. We really need to find another gear in the remaining games.

I would say that he having an extra game in a short space of time where Wimbledon don’t makes ours harder.

[pib]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

How do you figure we have "by far" the hardest run-in?

Average current league position of teams left to face in the run-in, not taking into account anything more than current league position:
Wimbledon 8.2
Donny 8.7
Bradford 9.4
Notts Co 10.4
Vale 13.2
Walsall 16.6

We have one of the harder ones, but not by far the hardest.

Interestingly SoccerStats run-in analysis, taking into account home/away PPG ranks the run-ins as follows, from statistically most difficult to least:
Bradford
Notts
Wimbledon
Donny
Vale
Walsall

Click this link and on the 'statistics' drop-down select run-in analysis: https://www.soccerstats.com/table.asp?league=england4&tid=10


Swindon and Chesterfield away should both be tricky games for Bradford whether they've got anything to play for or not. Wimbledon have got us, Port Vale, Grimsby, Chesterfield (in good form) and Gillingham who appear to be improving.

Plenty of twists and turns to come still I think. We really need to find another gear in the remaining games.

I would say that he having an extra game in a short space of time where Wimbledon don’t makes ours harder.

Maybe. You can look at it either way can't you. We've got a big squad, so you could see it as an extra game to get points on the board.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Ultimately, if we don't get the points we don't deserve to go up.  We simply find out how good we are now.  We're more than due some bloody penalties aswell!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Pib

I'm factoring in our bi-polar form.

We have been the ultimate flat track bullies this season. Top line below is our record against sides that are currently in the top half, lower line is record against bottom half sides

P....W...D...L...GF...GA...Pts...PPG
17  3    6   8    19   27    15     0.88
23  17  4   2    42   19    55     2.39

We have 5 of our final 6 matches against sides currently in the top half. We have 4 of those against sides currently in the top
 won THREE points against opponents in the top 10 and against sides in the top on the day of the match, in the last 5.5 months we have won a total of 3 points since late October when we beat Bradford.

Factor that in, and unless there is an abrupt change in our performances against better sides, we have by a long way the hardest run-in.

[colincramb]

That’s a pretty woeful record in games against sides in the top half. It would be interesting to know how our competitors have done? Normally I’d say it does t matter who your points come against when it’s all said and done, but obviously we are going to have to buck our season trend to make it

[DonnyBazR0ver]

What has form got to fo with it? Crewe last season did us tactically when it mattered after very poor end of season form.

[pib]

That’s a pretty woeful record in games against sides in the top half. It would be interesting to know how our competitors have done? Normally I’d say it does t matter who your points come against when it’s all said and done, but obviously we are going to have to buck our season trend to make it

I did the maths earlier and BST makes a valid point to be fair.

We have the worst record out of the top 6 vs top half teams. Notts County’s isn’t much better at just over 1ppg. The other sides up there have much better records against the top half.

We’ll have to buck the trend - let’s hope so.

[Fal]

I think looking at records is a bit negative and pointless, the facts are we are 3 points off the top of the league with a game in hand which would indicate that even though other teams may have better records against the top teams than us, they also dont have as good a record against the rest like we do.

4 of those 8 defeats were to Bromley and Chesterfield, both the Bromley games 9 times out of 10 we wouldve won with how many chances we had. Chesterfield were both just poor performances and they took their chances.

The other 4, Port Vale and Grimsby beat us at our place but we beat them at their place. Walsall were smashing everyone and in such rich vein of form, and we never do well at Wimbledon away.

Port Vale last week alone beat Bradford, Walsall and Crewe yet still only are 3 points ahead having played a game more...

[dickos1]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

I thought dickos logic determined that you can’t just pick a “random number” of games to make a point?

Pick however many games you like, Swindon away is as tough as it gets currently

[dickos1]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

Are you sure you want to mention form?

In the context of the discussion of which games are tougher I don’t think there’s a better measuring tool is there?

[GazLaz]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

I thought dickos logic determined that you can’t just pick a “random number” of games to make a point?

Pick however many games you like, Swindon away is as tough as it gets currently

Just not true that is it.

[ncRover]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

Are you sure you want to mention form?

In the context of the discussion of which games are tougher I don’t think there’s a better measuring tool is there?

You just post on here for a wind up don’t you?

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293165.msg1364890#msg1364890

[drfchound]

I think looking at records is a bit negative and pointless, the facts are we are 3 points off the top of the league with a game in hand which would indicate that even though other teams may have better records against the top teams than us, they also dont have as good a record against the rest like we do.

4 of those 8 defeats were to Bromley and Chesterfield, both the Bromley games 9 times out of 10 we wouldve won with how many chances we had. Chesterfield were both just poor performances and they took their chances.

The other 4, Port Vale and Grimsby beat us at our place but we beat them at their place. Walsall were smashing everyone and in such rich vein of form, and we never do well at Wimbledon away.

Port Vale last week alone beat Bradford, Walsall and Crewe yet still only are 3 points ahead having played a game more...

Although the figures that bst posted are not especially good, he has moved the goal posts with regards to his earlier posts on the same subject.
He previously banged on about our results against teams in the top or bottom half of the division AT THE TIME WE PLAYED THEM.
I don’t know whether his current argument is better or worse than using his earlier metric but I suspect that now using the current league positions of our opponents suits his argument better.
He is a clever man and often uses figures to back up a case.

[dickos1]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

Are you sure you want to mention form?

In the context of the discussion of which games are tougher I don’t think there’s a better measuring tool is there?

You just post on here for a wind up don’t you?

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293165.msg1364890#msg1364890

If you can’t see the difference between discussing form in reference to the difficulty of upcoming matches and discussing form in reference to our league position then you need to have a think!

[dickos1]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

I thought dickos logic determined that you can’t just pick a “random number” of games to make a point?

Pick however many games you like, Swindon away is as tough as it gets currently

Just not true that is it.

I think so yeah!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

I thought dickos logic determined that you can’t just pick a “random number” of games to make a point?

Pick however many games you like, Swindon away is as tough as it gets currently

Just not true that is it.

https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england4

Last 4 Home match form table has Swindon in 14th place.

Last 8 match table has them in 7th.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

Are you sure you want to mention form?

In the context of the discussion of which games are tougher I don’t think there’s a better measuring tool is there?

You just post on here for a wind up don’t you?

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293165.msg1364890#msg1364890

If you can’t see the difference between discussing form in reference to the difficulty of upcoming matches and discussing form in reference to our league position then you need to have a think!

May I suggest you kind of miss the point that people previously have spoken about how form will affect our FUTURE league table position if it doesn't change?

[drfchound]

Walsall remarkably still favourites on skybet

That's because they have by some way the easiest run in of the top 5.

We on the other hand have by some way the hardest.

I'm desperately hoping this becomes a month to live in the memory for decades. But it's still the fact that we haven't beaten a side in the top 10 for approaching 6 months, and we've got another 4 of them to play.

I would rather have our fixtures than Bradford’s

Fair point if you take into consideration the H/A form of each opponent.

But then you really ought to factor in more than just form. For example, at least 3, arguably 5 of our remaining opponents are likely to have something major to be still competing for when we play them. (Bradford, Wimbledon and Colchester, plus Tranmere and Notts County depending on how results go. Arguably Salford too, although they are a long shot for the play offs, but will still be mathematically in the hunt)

Conversely only 2 of Bradford's remaining opponents will almost definitely still be in the hunt (us and Notts C - arguably Chesterfield if things go very much in their favour over the next couple of weeks).

Swindon have been in title winning form over the last 15 games, so them away is probably the toughest game you could wish for at the moment.

I thought dickos logic determined that you can’t just pick a “random number” of games to make a point?

Pick however many games you like, Swindon away is as tough as it gets currently

Just not true that is it.

https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england4

Last 4 Home match form table has Swindon in 14th place.

Last 8 match table has them in 7th.

Swindon have taken 37 points from their last 21 matches going back to late December.
That is a pretty good return.

[drfchound]

Before the season started I backed us at 14/1 to win the title.
I just had a look in skybet and they are offering me a cash out at just under three times my stake money.