Luke Molyneux

[dickos1]

Best player in league 2, just entering his prime. I think it would be close to 1m

[GazLaz]

Best player in league 2, just entering his prime. I think it would be close to 1m

Similar output to Will Evens that went to Mansfield in the summer. 20+ goals and similar age. 200k.

[Copps is Magic]

1 million wouldn't make a difference to the finances unfortunately. That'd be a small percentage of the wages for one year. Better off keeping him.

[GazLaz]

1 million wouldn't make a difference to the finances unfortunately. That'd be a small percentage of the wages for one year. Better off keeping him.

1m is about 20% of turnover! That’s a huge amount.

[dickos1]

Best player in league 2, just entering his prime. I think it would be close to 1m

Similar output to Will Evens that went to Mansfield in the summer. 20+ goals and similar age. 200k.

Might be similar in age
But he’d only ever played 90 league games and scored 23 goals
Molyneux has played around 200 league games and scored double those goals.
Much more experienced
There is no way on this planet we would be selling him for 200k no chance

[GazLaz]

Best player in league 2, just entering his prime. I think it would be close to 1m

Similar output to Will Evens that went to Mansfield in the summer. 20+ goals and similar age. 200k.

Might be similar in age
But he’d only ever played 90 league games and scored 23 goals
Molyneux has played around 200 league games and scored double those goals.
Much more experienced
There is no way on this planet we would be selling him for 200k no chance

Whatever anyone thinks and says, Mols is over performing his underlying numbers. Most clubs are smart enough to recognise this these days. That will put them off paying over the odds. He’s not athletic enough and he’s not good enough off the ball (this is me with my scouts head on btw, especially if someone told me they were spending a million on him). I don’t think he will want to leave if we go up.

[Sprotyrover]

I hope he doesn’t want to leave!

[Copps is Magic]

1 million wouldn't make a difference to the finances unfortunately. That'd be a small percentage of the wages for one year. Better off keeping him.

1m is about 20% of turnover! That’s a huge amount.

Exactly. It would be momentary relief to one year's annual turnover.

Longer term it's just not worth selling your (by far and away) best player, in his prime, for a figure that doesn't really make long term sense for the club's finances. Especially when we don't exactly have the most sophisticated youth setup to replace him. (If he himself was younger then situation would be different).

You can quite easily calculate the effects on the playing side - because we'd be an average league two side without him. Now translate that into revenue, and I'm sure even after a short period of time pushing our luck at the higher end of league one would miles better financially.

[GazLaz]

1 million wouldn't make a difference to the finances unfortunately. That'd be a small percentage of the wages for one year. Better off keeping him.

1m is about 20% of turnover! That’s a huge amount.

Exactly. It would be momentary relief to one year's annual turnover.

Longer term it's just not worth selling your (by far and away) best player, in his prime, for a figure that doesn't really make long term sense for the club's finances. Especially when we don't exactly have the most sophisticated youth setup to replace him. (If he himself was younger then situation would be different).

You can quite easily calculate the effects on the playing side - because we'd be an average league two side without him. Now translate that into revenue, and I'm sure even after a short period of time pushing our luck at the higher end of league one would miles better financially.

Say we sell him with two years left on his deal. That’s £500k per year. His contribution doesn’t equate to that return.

It’s all about value and there is more value in getting £1m for LM than there is keeping him. That’s for sure.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

At 27 he's maybe one chance at a money move. He signed a 3 year contract so has 2 left and @ say £4k per week(guess), we're looking at £400k, to compensate for his loss. I'd say the very most we'd be talking is £500k but as I said, depends what value was negotiated into his contract as a release clause, who knows?

[jmt23]

The team and tactics are built around him, and the reason no one else really gets a chance to shine. (Poor choice of words as they do, but I’m sure you know what I mean)
If we had wingers on their correct footed side, we would see more creation of chances for the forwards and certainly better crossing of the ball.
We are lucky to have him, both Everton and CPalace doubled even tripled up on him, that should be enough to say he is a talented threat taken seriously by some of the best.

If Street was worth £3-400,000 Molly is certainly worth £5-750,000.

[Avsuptem]

Best player in league 2, just entering his prime. I think it would be close to 1m

Similar output to Will Evens that went to Mansfield in the summer. 20+ goals and similar age. 200k.

Might be similar in age
But he’d only ever played 90 league games and scored 23 goals
Molyneux has played around 200 league games and scored double those goals.
Much more experienced
There is no way on this planet we would be selling him for 200k no chance

Whatever anyone thinks and says, Mols is over performing his underlying numbers. Most clubs are smart enough to recognise this these days. That will put them off paying over the odds. He’s not athletic enough and he’s not good enough off the ball (this is me with my scouts head on btw, especially if someone told me they were spending a million on him). I don’t think he will want to leave if we go up.

Must say I am surprised to read that his stats do not support his evident ability. Yesterday v Tranmere he was here there and every blooming where which is not indicative of poor movement off the ball. He is head and shoulders above anyone in League 2 in terms of his influence on matches. He even influences games when he is not influencing games, by needing 2 or 3 defenders on him at any one time.
Some players have an ability above and beyond the norm. I strongly suspect that the likes of Bobby Moore and Franz Bekenbaur over performed their underlying numbers.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

1 million wouldn't make a difference to the finances unfortunately. That'd be a small percentage of the wages for one year. Better off keeping him.

1m is about 20% of turnover! That’s a huge amount.

Exactly. It would be momentary relief to one year's annual turnover.

Longer term it's just not worth selling your (by far and away) best player, in his prime, for a figure that doesn't really make long term sense for the club's finances. Especially when we don't exactly have the most sophisticated youth setup to replace him. (If he himself was younger then situation would be different).

You can quite easily calculate the effects on the playing side - because we'd be an average league two side without him. Now translate that into revenue, and I'm sure even after a short period of time pushing our luck at the higher end of league one would miles better financially.

Say we sell him with two years left on his deal. That’s £500k per year. His contribution doesn’t equate to that return.

It’s all about value and there is more value in getting £1m for LM than there is keeping him. That’s for sure.

Is there though? In modern football selling one player isn't going to get invested. Whilst the owner is putting a few million in he's not going to say he'll put the same few million in and you can spend the fee received.  So on that vein what's the point selling your best player? Equally who is going to offer much money that's going to make much difference? The only way he leaves is if he wants to.

[dickos1]

Best player in league 2, just entering his prime. I think it would be close to 1m

Similar output to Will Evens that went to Mansfield in the summer. 20+ goals and similar age. 200k.

Might be similar in age
But he’d only ever played 90 league games and scored 23 goals
Molyneux has played around 200 league games and scored double those goals.
Much more experienced
There is no way on this planet we would be selling him for 200k no chance

Whatever anyone thinks and says, Mols is over performing his underlying numbers. Most clubs are smart enough to recognise this these days. That will put them off paying over the odds. He’s not athletic enough and he’s not good enough off the ball (this is me with my scouts head on btw, especially if someone told me they were spending a million on him). I don’t think he will want to leave if we go up.

He’s been over-performing for well over a year now at what stage does that become his underlying number

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Just an example of another player we knew well who was in demand...

"May joined Charlton Athletic on a two-year contract with the option to extend for a further 12 months. Charlton paid Cheltenham a reported fee in the region of £250,000"

At that time Charlton were bidding with Gillingham. Whilst at Charlton, Birmingham were bidding with Huddersfield for him. Fee bumped up to around £750k.

[grayx]

I think molls is better at being “ the big fish in a small pond”.
Not sure a move would benefit him tbh, he’s shining in an average team in my opinion.
If a big money offer came in i wouldnt fault him or the club taking it.

[dickos1]

I think molls is better at being “ the big fish in a small pond”.
Not sure a move would benefit him tbh, he’s shining in an average team in my opinion.
If a big money offer came in i wouldnt fault him or the club taking it.

“Average team” ha ha

[idler]

I'm trying to think of any other season in all my time watching the Rovers where one individual has been so key to our fortunes. And I'm not coming up with anything.

I get the argument for McIndoe in 03/04, but he was the final piece in the jigsaw. He turned a side that had bags of potential into absolute dominators. There were goals all through that side even without him. Blundell, Fortune-West, Brown, Akinfenwa and Green between them scored over 50 league goals in about 120 starts.

Take Molyneux out of this side and I'm struggling to see us having options for hurting opponents.

Colin Booth in 1962/63 I think it was. He was phenomenal for us, a real class or two above the rest.

[ForsolongaRover]

I'm trying to think of any other season in all my time watching the Rovers where one individual has been so key to our fortunes. And I'm not coming up with anything.

I get the argument for McIndoe in 03/04, but he was the final piece in the jigsaw. He turned a side that had bags of potential into absolute dominators. There were goals all through that side even without him. Blundell, Fortune-West, Brown, Akinfenwa and Green between them scored over 50 league goals in about 120 starts.

Take Molyneux out of this side and I'm struggling to see us having options for hurting opponents.

Colin Booth in 1962/63 I think it was. He was phenomenal for us, a real class or two above the rest.

He came from First Division Nottingham Forest and I think he cost £40k which was a lot of money in the early 60s, but he scored a lot of goals for us.

[idler]

He was brilliant in a poor to mediocre team. I think that he scored two in his debut away at Chesterfield in a 3-3 draw. Electric pace and a natural finisher.

[Prez]

I'm trying to think of any other season in all my time watching the Rovers where one individual has been so key to our fortunes. And I'm not coming up with anything.

I get the argument for McIndoe in 03/04, but he was the final piece in the jigsaw. He turned a side that had bags of potential into absolute dominators. There were goals all through that side even without him. Blundell, Fortune-West, Brown, Akinfenwa and Green between them scored over 50 league goals in about 120 starts.

Take Molyneux out of this side and I'm struggling to see us having options for hurting opponents.

Ill thrown one in. Colin Cramb, 1996-97 season. Class player in an awful team. His goals was the difference for us staying up, albeit for one season after Uncle Ken threw his teddy out the pram.

[drfchound]

I'm trying to think of any other season in all my time watching the Rovers where one individual has been so key to our fortunes. And I'm not coming up with anything.

I get the argument for McIndoe in 03/04, but he was the final piece in the jigsaw. He turned a side that had bags of potential into absolute dominators. There were goals all through that side even without him. Blundell, Fortune-West, Brown, Akinfenwa and Green between them scored over 50 league goals in about 120 starts.

Take Molyneux out of this side and I'm struggling to see us having options for hurting opponents.

Colin Booth in 1962/63 I think it was. He was phenomenal for us, a real class or two above the rest.

The first Rovers goal I ever saw was scored by Colin Booth.

[Chris Black come back]

I'm trying to think of any other season in all my time watching the Rovers where one individual has been so key to our fortunes. And I'm not coming up with anything.

I get the argument for McIndoe in 03/04, but he was the final piece in the jigsaw. He turned a side that had bags of potential into absolute dominators. There were goals all through that side even without him. Blundell, Fortune-West, Brown, Akinfenwa and Green between them scored over 50 league goals in about 120 starts.

Take Molyneux out of this side and I'm struggling to see us having options for hurting opponents.

Ill thrown one in. Colin Cramb, 1996-97 season. Class player in an awful team. His goals was the difference for us staying up, albeit for one season after Uncle Ken threw his teddy out the pram.

Top, top player.

[selby]

Colin Booth also came on as the substitute for England u23s when Alick Jeffrey broke his leg.

[drfchound]

Colin Booth also came on as the substitute for England u23s when Alick Jeffrey broke his leg.

Is that right Brian.
I wasn’t aware that subs were allowed back then.

[Pancho Regan]

What do we think we’d accept?
£1m?

He’s worth very close to that Dickos.
Alfie May cost Birmingham £800k.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Someone will have to over pay for us to get 1m. This is L2 we’ve seen the standard here it’s not very good.

Someone with 1m to spend on a fee, before even taking about wage, has their pick of any out of contract players in L1 and then a whole host of L1 players not to mention reserve team players for prem/champ teams that aren’t quite ready but nonetheless have quality.

Don’t think there’s much risk of him been bought anyway he’s too expensive for most and the ones who can afford him have lots of options. Our main risk for leaving is Olowu so hopefully we’ve already got a deal ready if we go up.

[scawsby steve]

When King Alick broke his leg, we dropped down the league table like a stone. When Ben Whiteman left, we dropped down the league table like a stone.

The same thing would have happened if Luke had been incapacitated this season. 

[IDM]

A player’s value isn’t necessarily about what division he is from, it’s also to do with what he can bring to a new club..

It’s why clubs like Birmingham with big bucks can pay big fees, because the subsequent promotion is worth it.  Never guaranteed of course..

The value therefore depends much upon what a buyer perceives they would get for their investment.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm trying to think of any other season in all my time watching the Rovers where one individual has been so key to our fortunes. And I'm not coming up with anything.

I get the argument for McIndoe in 03/04, but he was the final piece in the jigsaw. He turned a side that had bags of potential into absolute dominators. There were goals all through that side even without him. Blundell, Fortune-West, Brown, Akinfenwa and Green between them scored over 50 league goals in about 120 starts.

Take Molyneux out of this side and I'm struggling to see us having options for hurting opponents.

Ill thrown one in. Colin Cramb, 1996-97 season. Class player in an awful team. His goals was the difference for us staying up, albeit for one season after Uncle Ken threw his teddy out the pram.

He was a decent player, but wasn't even the best player in that poor side. Darren Moore was miles better.