England women v Sweden - Jess Carter

[moses]

Watching Carter defend reminded me of my final Donny Sunday league match. Too old and could get close enough to the young un's running around me. She lost concentration and positioning with the ball played in behind her and then running in treacle trying to catch up, the look on her face of frustration took me right back.

[IDM]

It’s not a poor penalty if the keeper guesses wrong!

All of England’s penalties were on target, even if not we’ll struck. Some admittedly looked obvious which way they were going, making them easier to save. Sweden missed the goal 3 times.

[NickDRFC]

It’s not a poor penalty if the keeper guesses wrong!

All of England’s penalties were on target, even if not we’ll struck. Some admittedly looked obvious which way they were going, making them easier to save. Sweden missed the goal 3 times.

I’ve read this a few times and can’t say I agree, it’s outcome bias. A poor penalty is still a poor penalty even if it’s scored. A really good penalty is extremely unlikely to be saved even if the keeper guesses right, whereas a poor penalty has only a tiny chance of going in if the keeper does guess right.

[IDM]

Outcome bias.??

Bloody hell, if it’s a goal, it’s a goal.!

I’ve seen plenty of times when a soft penalty goes the other way to the keeper, the commentator says “slotted coolly home” etc

The trick is deceiving the keeper.

[goalkick]

Well done England.  Carter was abysmal and it seemed she had lead in her boots.her distribution was poor.

[NickDRFC]

Outcome bias.??

Bloody hell, if it’s a goal, it’s a goal.!

I’ve seen plenty of times when a soft penalty goes the other way to the keeper, the commentator says “slotted coolly home” etc

The trick is deceiving the keeper.

Judging something solely by the outcome is literally the definition of outcome bias!

Deceiving the keeper is a skill that some players have but that’s another thing entirely.

Hope the Lionesses put a bit of practice in on the training ground between now and the semi!

[Filo]

High and hard the keeper never gets it, they don’t dive up

[IDM]

Outcome bias.??

Bloody hell, if it’s a goal, it’s a goal.!

I’ve seen plenty of times when a soft penalty goes the other way to the keeper, the commentator says “slotted coolly home” etc

The trick is deceiving the keeper.

Judging something solely by the outcome is literally the definition of outcome bias!

Deceiving the keeper is a skill that some players have but that’s another thing entirely.

Hope the Lionesses put a bit of practice in on the training ground between now and the semi!

A penalty shoot out is all about outcome..

[BobG]

But scoring them is a mixture of both technique and luck. Good technique doesn't always score. Bad technique often fails to score and depends on luck to actually do so.

BobG

[Draytonian III]

Tim Ryan at Chester, that was a poor penalty technically but it went in so who cares

[scawsby steve]

High and hard the keeper never gets it, they don’t dive up

Absolutely; like Lucy Bronze's.

[GazLaz]

High and hard the keeper never gets it, they don’t dive up

Completely agree. You bring blazing it over in to play though, like a couple of their players did.

[scawsby steve]

Just a mention of Sarina Wiegman. I thought her substitutions were superb, and completely changed the game.

Also, Hannah Hampton. A big ask to replace the best woman keeper in the world, Mary Earps, but she made 3 massive saves to keep us in the game, and then 2 penalty saves.

Brilliant.

[IDM]

High and hard the keeper never gets it, they don’t dive up

Absolutely; like Lucy Bronze's.

I was willing her to do exactly what she did.  The Swedish keeper was eyeballing our players to guess which way to dive, successfully, saving the tame shots.  She was diving every time, so a blast down the middle was a great option.

There were some of the players I didn’t think should have taken one, as they were exhausted, but good on them for stepping up.

Shouldn’t underestimate the Italians next, much lower ranked but in the semi on merit.

[Thorney]

Gotta give chloe kelly credit for hers also.
Camera showed the swedish keeper checking her notes just before and must of tried to put off kelly because kelly sent her the wrong way and then gave her a bit afterwards

[danumdon]

Can anyone remember the American implementation of a penalty (running in from a 30yrd line and shooting, like in ice-hockey)

Could you imagine the fun to be had if that interpretation had ever been implemented and had been the penalty shoot out in this match.

We may still be watching to this day!!

[drfchound]

I was impressed by accurate passing throughout the game but Sweden kept the pressure on, obviously a better second half from England.

Moore played out from the back and produced some good watchable football.

I don’t think there was anyone called Moore on the pitch.

[Ian Nimmo]

Surprised no one has mentioned our old friend the water bottle!
Seemed like the keeper went in the right place for most of the kicks, surely the England players saw the printed labels, so questionable way they didn’t mix up from their normal penalties.

[IDM]

Surprised no one has mentioned our old friend the water bottle!
Seemed like the keeper went in the right place for most of the kicks, surely the England players saw the printed labels, so questionable way they didn’t mix up from their normal penalties.

Gotta give chloe kelly credit for hers also.
Camera showed the swedish keeper checking her notes just before and must of tried to put off kelly because kelly sent her the wrong way and then gave her a bit afterwards

[drfchound]

Surprised no one has mentioned our old friend the water bottle!
Seemed like the keeper went in the right place for most of the kicks, surely the England players saw the printed labels, so questionable way they didn’t mix up from their normal penalties.

Would players have been able to read the printed labels from twelve yards away?
Penalties are always mind games between the taker and the keeper anyway so players changing from their normal routines wouldn’t be particularly good anyway.
Good takers can put them either side of the keeper.

[IDM]

It’s not about being able to read them, more knowing that she’s done her research, and changing your usual approach because of that.

[drfchound]

It’s not about being able to read them, more knowing that she’s done her research, and changing your usual approach because of that.

Like I said, mind games.

[GazLaz]

Surprised no one has mentioned our old friend the water bottle!
Seemed like the keeper went in the right place for most of the kicks, surely the England players saw the printed labels, so questionable way they didn’t mix up from their normal penalties.

If I was a manager, I’d tell the players where to shoot from penalties. Eliminates any advantage from the keeper doing their “homework”.

[scawsby steve]

I hate saying this, but I honestly can't see anyone beating Spain.

I hope I'm proved wrong.

[scawsby steve]

I never thought I'd ever cheer for a German football team, but by God I did last night.

The adversity they had to overcome was colossal, mainly caused by the stupidity of one of their own players.

I gave them little chance before the game, against one of the most dangerous teams in the competition, and even less during the game; but they refused to be beaten.

Well done.

[IDM]

Notice how at least two of the French penalties were as tame as the English ones, but scored, because the German keeper went the wrong way.?  Yes the French women may have seen her start to move a split second before taking the kicks, but even so..  the outcome was still the same and an equally tense shoot out as the other night.

Now I’m wondering if the momentum from winning those shoot outs will be enough for both England and Germany to progress to the final.?