Gavin Baldwins interview with Radio Sheffield today

[Lincoln Rover]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0lrrw47

[MachoMadness]

Always good to hear Gavin speak. £1.7m investment in facilities this summer. Budget there to get us mid table, talk of challenging for the play offs. This was asked for by McCann and Terry agreed and signed it off. Strongly implies we've agreed a new deal for McCann - this is just the same rolling contract as before but with a nice pay bump.

All incredibly positive. Look at the pre season other clubs nearby have had and you realise we're in an incredibly lucky spot.

[Nudga]

If john Ryan had done this interview it would have been about 4 pages long already.

Fantastic interview without the razzmatazz and sales guff.

[GazLaz]

Wonder how Danny Schofield would have got on with a mid table L1 budget.

Great that Terry is willing to let the CD funds be invested back into the club and still maintain a healthy budget.

We are not reinventing the wheel though are we, we are improving for spending more money. In the same way we have improved in the past for doing the same.

Love the infrastructure investment, that will make a huge difference long term but we have built the football side of the club through the eyes of Grant McCann. He goes and we are taking quite a few large steps back. Cliff, Glover, Mad Baz are all his men. That’s not only the coaching set up, it’s the recruitment department gone also. We are still operating the boom and bust model in my opinion. We are currently all in. In two or three years things could look very different as the sustainable decision making (football decision making that is) isn’t there.

I know I’m a broken record on this, and I have been for the last 10 or so years! If we do great this season Grant will leave, like he did last time, and like he is perfectly entitled to to see how far he can go in the game. Then what? The next man wants to come in and build the club in his identity? We are Doncaster Rovers FC, not Grant McCann FC, Sean O’D FC, Dave Penney FC, or whoever it may be at the time.

Clubs where the managers have so much control can be great when it’s going good but they are the ones that are so vulnerable. 

[Lincoln Rover]

Get all that GazLaz, but with the built in assurances assurances we get a “ big lump” if/when someone wants him. We are who we are. I think we should enjoy this ride, a, it’s always a Rovers rollercoaster.

[IDM]

Wonder how Danny Schofield would have got on with a mid table L1 budget.

Great that Terry is willing to let the CD funds be invested back into the club and still maintain a healthy budget.

We are not reinventing the wheel though are we, we are improving for spending more money. In the same way we have improved in the past for doing the same.

Love the infrastructure investment, that will make a huge difference long term but we have built the football side of the club through the eyes of Grant McCann. He goes and we are taking quite a few large steps back. Cliff, Glover, Mad Baz are all his men. That’s not only the coaching set up, it’s the recruitment department gone also. We are still operating the boom and bust model in my opinion. We are currently all in. In two or three years things could look very different as the sustainable decision making isn’t there.

I know I’m a broken record on this, and I have been for the last 10 or so years! If we do great this season Grant will leave, like he did last time, and like he is perfectly entitled to to see how far he can go in the game. Then what? The next man wants to come in and build the club in his identity? We are Doncaster Rovers FC, not Grant McCann FC, Sean O’D FC, Dave Penney FC, or whoever it may be at the time.

Clubs where the managers have so much control can be great when it’s going good but they are the ones that are so vulnerable. 

If you read the interview in the DFP you’ll see that it appears the club are already doing what some would call due diligence for manager replacement and succession plans for TB..

[arkseyrover]

Very polished performance from Gavin who comes across as sincere, committed and knowledgeable. I think the future is rosy with the way that the club has been re-organised and transformed into a truly professional set up staffed by individuals of high ability and expertise. My only concern is that we remain wholly in Terry's hands and although he is passionately committed to DRFC it would be nice if he was about 20 years younger.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

"know I’m a broken record on this, and I have been for the last 10 or so years! If we do great this season Grant will leave, like he did last time, and like he is perfectly entitled to to see how far he can go in the game. Then what? The next man wants to come in and build the club in his identity? We are Doncaster Rovers FC, not Grant McCann FC, Sean O’D FC, Dave Penney FC, or whoever it may be at the time."

I don't entirely disagree with you but, we could have all the support infrastructure, Director of Football/Head of Recruitment/Talent ID manager etc, etc, it will still matter so much on who's manager and/or head coach. Man U for example. Having the best of best is no guarantee of success or forward momentum. They have totally lost their identity.

[GazLaz]

Get all that GazLaz, but with the built in assurances assurances we get a “ big lump” if/when someone wants him. We are who we are. I think we should enjoy this ride, a, it’s always a Rovers rollercoaster.

A few hundred grand doesn’t really mitigate it IMO.

[Chris Black come back]

Will be interesting to see how Brentford survive their manager and best players going this summer. They’ve clearly built a great model but this is a massive test for them.

Feels like we don’t really have a model beyond Terry’s very welcome cash. When we didn’t have that we were terrible.

Given how bad we are at monetising talent and how our attendances will not be troubling the upper echelon of League One, it’s not clear longer term how we can survive at that level without Terry and his cash.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Will be interesting to see how Brentford survive their manager and best players going this summer. They’ve clearly built a great model but this is a massive test for them.

Feels like we don’t really have a model beyond Terry’s very welcome cash. When we didn’t have that we were terrible.

Given how bad we are at monetising talent and how our attendances will not be troubling the upper echelon of League One, it’s not clear longer term how we can survive at that level without Terry and his cash.

You're right of course. As we've discussed before, it's about getting value for money and we know in the past, alot of our budget has been wasted on the treatment table.

It always comes down to having good people, people who work together well and sing from the same hymnsheet and trust each other. We know in life, people move on and break the chain. Whatever model we choose, it depends on the good people, sometimes new people, who prefer to work with people they know and trust.

[RoversInSpain]

If john Ryan had done this interview it would have been about 4 pages long already.

Fantastic interview without the razzmatazz and sales guff.

How on this earth do you find a way to belittle John Ryan?
Club is on a great trajectory at the moment, can the current regime get us a higher finish than 12th in the second tier of English football?
Possibly, but don’t knock the guy that did it, and in turn gave us the “The Arsenal of the North” tag. Even Millwall applauded Rovers off the pitch.

[Nudga]

If john Ryan had done this interview it would have been about 4 pages long already.

Fantastic interview without the razzmatazz and sales guff.

How on this earth do you find a way to belittle John Ryan?
Club is on a great trajectory at the moment, can the current regime get us a higher finish than 12th in the second tier of English football?
Possibly, but don’t knock the guy that did it, and in turn gave us the “The Arsenal of the North” tag. Even Millwall applauded Rovers off the pitch.

How on earth did you come to the idea that I was knocking john Ryan?

GB has been knocked from pillar to post by some sections of the fan base but this interview has garnered 11 posts on here.

I was simply stating that if JR had done this interview,  it would be four pages deep. 
Gavin himself said a couple of times that he was the boring one but I found the interview really interesting and could hear his posivity , pride and passion shining through.

Maybe you took the words "razzmatazz and sales guff" a bit too seriously?

[colincramb]

If john Ryan had done this interview it would have been about 4 pages long already.

Fantastic interview without the razzmatazz and sales guff.

How on this earth do you find a way to belittle John Ryan?
Club is on a great trajectory at the moment, can the current regime get us a higher finish than 12th in the second tier of English football?
Possibly, but don’t knock the guy that did it, and in turn gave us the “The Arsenal of the North” tag. Even Millwall applauded Rovers off the pitch.

How on earth did you come to the idea that I was knocking john Ryan?

GB has been knocked from pillar to post by some sections of the fan base but this interview has garnered 11 posts on here.

I was simply stating that if JR had done this interview,  it would be four pages deep. 
Gavin himself said a couple of times that he was the boring one but I found the interview really interesting and could hear his posivity , pride and passion shining through.

Maybe you took the words "razzmatazz and sales guff" a bit too seriously?

Or possibly he took the tone of your post to be a bit insulting and condescending? That’s the thing with forum posts though i guess, isn’t it.

[Usher wide.]

Gavin said in his interview with DFP that Terry is still very much committed to getting Rovers into the Championship but should Terry’s ££ suddenly stop they have a plan B in place.

Gavin went on to say he could literally pick up the phone tomorrow & speak to 3 individuals who would be more than happy to pick up the reins, people who Terry knows & trusts would have the best interests of the club at heart but for now Terry wants to be at the helm for the foreseeable future.

[dknward2]

Gavin said in his interview with DFP that Terry is still very much committed to getting Rovers into the Championship but should Terry’s ££ suddenly stop they have a plan B in place.

Gavin went on to say he could literally pick up the phone tomorrow & speak to 3 individuals who would be more than happy to pick up the reins, people who Terry knows & trusts would have the best interests of the club at heart but for now Terry wants to be at the helm for the foreseeable future.

This was one of the most interesting things from the interview for me, I knew that plans would be in place for any and all possible scenarios relating to Terry but the fact that Gavin knows 3 people who he could call to come in and be the new moneyman/women behind the club is very reassuring.

[IDM]

He also says we have plans to be smarter about managerial changes if and when that’s necessary.

[mushRTID]

Gavin said in his interview with DFP that Terry is still very much committed to getting Rovers into the Championship but should Terry’s ££ suddenly stop they have a plan B in place.

Gavin went on to say he could literally pick up the phone tomorrow & speak to 3 individuals who would be more than happy to pick up the reins, people who Terry knows & trusts would have the best interests of the club at heart but for now Terry wants to be at the helm for the foreseeable future.

This was one of the most interesting things from the interview for me, I knew that plans would be in place for any and all possible scenarios relating to Terry but the fact that Gavin knows 3 people who he could call to come in and be the new moneyman/women behind the club is very reassuring.

It makes you wonder if they will get one of them in while Terry is still here to have a kind of handover period for a season or two.

I know business is complicated but imagine the force we could be with Terry and one other, with the other eventually taking the reins.

I’m not saying we need it by the way, unbelievable support from Terry.

Ps I believe that’s the most open response they have given on the subject. Even in the MTO events they have skirted around it by simply reassuring us. So maybe the groundwork is being laid.

[graingrover]

I do think the current trio is unique and also the structure and financial flows between the various entities is seemingly well structured for the future .I do not understand the constraints or opportunities that exist for involving Terry’s legacy financing of Club Doncaster beyond his humanity.

[dickos1]

Wonder how Danny Schofield would have got on with a mid table L1 budget.

Great that Terry is willing to let the CD funds be invested back into the club and still maintain a healthy budget.

We are not reinventing the wheel though are we, we are improving for spending more money. In the same way we have improved in the past for doing the same.

Love the infrastructure investment, that will make a huge difference long term but we have built the football side of the club through the eyes of Grant McCann. He goes and we are taking quite a few large steps back. Cliff, Glover, Mad Baz are all his men. That’s not only the coaching set up, it’s the recruitment department gone also. We are still operating the boom and bust model in my opinion. We are currently all in. In two or three years things could look very different as the sustainable decision making (football decision making that is) isn’t there.

I know I’m a broken record on this, and I have been for the last 10 or so years! If we do great this season Grant will leave, like he did last time, and like he is perfectly entitled to to see how far he can go in the game. Then what? The next man wants to come in and build the club in his identity? We are Doncaster Rovers FC, not Grant McCann FC, Sean O’D FC, Dave Penney FC, or whoever it may be at the time.

Clubs where the managers have so much control can be great when it’s going good but they are the ones that are so vulnerable. 

It’s not purely about spending money, we didn’t have the biggest budget or wage bill in league 2 last year yet we won the league.
The signings we make are ones where we can develop and add assets to the club,
Maxwell, Bailey, McGrath, molyneux, Broadbent, etc would all earn the club significant profit if sold tomorrow.

Even if we had a model of director of football/ sta based recruitment, it’s still working with the risk of that person leaving and someone coming in with a different idea.
If McCann did leave I’m pretty certain Baldwin et al would be smart enough to lay out what they want from a manager in the recruitment process and would want it to be linked to how McCann has run the club, it certainly won’t be throw everything down the toilet and start again

[GazLaz]

Wonder how Danny Schofield would have got on with a mid table L1 budget.

Great that Terry is willing to let the CD funds be invested back into the club and still maintain a healthy budget.

We are not reinventing the wheel though are we, we are improving for spending more money. In the same way we have improved in the past for doing the same.

Love the infrastructure investment, that will make a huge difference long term but we have built the football side of the club through the eyes of Grant McCann. He goes and we are taking quite a few large steps back. Cliff, Glover, Mad Baz are all his men. That’s not only the coaching set up, it’s the recruitment department gone also. We are still operating the boom and bust model in my opinion. We are currently all in. In two or three years things could look very different as the sustainable decision making (football decision making that is) isn’t there.

I know I’m a broken record on this, and I have been for the last 10 or so years! If we do great this season Grant will leave, like he did last time, and like he is perfectly entitled to to see how far he can go in the game. Then what? The next man wants to come in and build the club in his identity? We are Doncaster Rovers FC, not Grant McCann FC, Sean O’D FC, Dave Penney FC, or whoever it may be at the time.

Clubs where the managers have so much control can be great when it’s going good but they are the ones that are so vulnerable. 

It’s not purely about spending money, we didn’t have the biggest budget or wage bill in league 2 last year yet we won the league.
The signings we make are ones where we can develop and add assets to the club,
Maxwell, Bailey, McGrath, molyneux, Broadbent, etc would all earn the club significant profit if sold tomorrow.

Even if we had a model of director of football/ sta based recruitment, it’s still working with the risk of that person leaving and someone coming in with a different idea.
If McCann did leave I’m pretty certain Baldwin et al would be smart enough to lay out what they want from a manager in the recruitment process and would want it to be linked to how McCann has run the club, it certainly won’t be throw everything down the toilet and start again

There's more than one way to run a football club, I completely understand that. I have a picture in my head of how a club should be structured to give best chance of over achieving the sum of the parts and ensuring consistency over a long period of time, even if the parts are swapped in and out. I strongly believe in the strategy I think is optimal.

As ever with these things they play out over time. we do have assets, I completely agree, how we manage these assets going forward will be interesting. How do we value them? How do we recognise when other clubs are overvaluing them? This is in the hands of the manager currently but managers are "focussed on the next game" as they always say. They want to give themselves the best chance of winning games of football in the short to medium term. Could that mean the manager i'snt best placed to make the long term strategy decisions? Possibly.

[Barmby Rover]

I found the talk about succession really reassuring. Good luck to TB as he is obviously enjoying his role, but just like Grant, nothing lasts forever and having a plan in place to stop the "roller coaster" as GB intimated is the best news the club could have.

[Usher wide.]

Wonder how Danny Schofield would have got on with a mid table L1 budget.

Great that Terry is willing to let the CD funds be invested back into the club and still maintain a healthy budget.

We are not reinventing the wheel though are we, we are improving for spending more money. In the same way we have improved in the past for doing the same.

Love the infrastructure investment, that will make a huge difference long term but we have built the football side of the club through the eyes of Grant McCann. He goes and we are taking quite a few large steps back. Cliff, Glover, Mad Baz are all his men. That’s not only the coaching set up, it’s the recruitment department gone also. We are still operating the boom and bust model in my opinion. We are currently all in. In two or three years things could look very different as the sustainable decision making (football decision making that is) isn’t there.

I know I’m a broken record on this, and I have been for the last 10 or so years! If we do great this season Grant will leave, like he did last time, and like he is perfectly entitled to to see how far he can go in the game. Then what? The next man wants to come in and build the club in his identity? We are Doncaster Rovers FC, not Grant McCann FC, Sean O’D FC, Dave Penney FC, or whoever it may be at the time.

Clubs where the managers have so much control can be great when it’s going good but they are the ones that are so vulnerable. 

It’s not purely about spending money, we didn’t have the biggest budget or wage bill in league 2 last year yet we won the league.
The signings we make are ones where we can develop and add assets to the club,
Maxwell, Bailey, McGrath, molyneux, Broadbent, etc would all earn the club significant profit if sold tomorrow.

Even if we had a model of director of football/ sta based recruitment, it’s still working with the risk of that person leaving and someone coming in with a different idea.
If McCann did leave I’m pretty certain Baldwin et al would be smart enough to lay out what they want from a manager in the recruitment process and would want it to be linked to how McCann has run the club, it certainly won’t be throw everything down the toilet and start again

There's more than one way to run a football club, I completely understand that. I have a picture in my head of how a club should be structured to give best chance of over achieving the sum of the parts and ensuring consistency over a long period of time, even if the parts are swapped in and out. I strongly believe in the strategy I think is optimal.

As ever with these things they play out over time. we do have assets, I completely agree, how we manage these assets going forward will be interesting. How do we value them? How do we recognise when other clubs are overvaluing them? This is in the hands of the manager currently but managers are "focussed on the next game" as they always say. They want to give themselves the best chance of winning games of football in the short to medium term. Could that mean the manager i'snt best placed to make the long term strategy decisions? Possibly.

I believe Grant & probably Gavin have stated in recent & past interviews that signing, selling, loaning out, loanee players in, facilities at the training ground, coaching staff appointments are all discussed (& probably a lot more) by the three main men at the club.

The Chairman, the Chief Executive & the manager.

Seems to be working thus far.

[jmt23]

I noted that it would have to be one out one in from here on in, and young Will Flint has gone out on loan to Gateshead - I wonder iif this means we will see another in

[colincramb]

I noted that it would have to be one out one in from here on in, and young Will Flint has gone out on loan to Gateshead - I wonder iif this means we will see another in

I doubt his wages are that significant to have much impact on signing another player. Pretty sure it would be more about development for flint than anything else.

The impact would be a close/westbrooke leaving surely?

[Alan Southstand]

Hurst?

[colincramb]

Hurst?

Again, I doubt his wages are a big financial outlay. But from a purely footballing perspective he probably needs to move on. I think it’s pretty clear he won’t be playing for us again

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Even with TB being very generous and supporting GM with our recruitment aspirations, it's reasonable to insist on a bit of good housekeeping, so as long as GM is being proactive in moving players on, then I'm sure he'll get the ho ahead to improve the squad before the window closes if he feels he needs to. Let's not forget there's also January where some further refining is likely.

[ravenrover]

Latest interview GM says he won't stand in a players way if the want out, happy with squad but if a player leaves he might look to bring another in , I assume he means if a senior player left

[silent majority]

I noted that it would have to be one out one in from here on in, and young Will Flint has gone out on loan to Gateshead - I wonder iif this means we will see another in

I don't think that’s what he said. He said that in the past it would have to be one in and one out but now they could go out and recruit what Grant wants and if that was an overspend they would back themselves to bring it back into line.