F'Owls

[ChrisBx]

Andy Giddings has wrote on x that Wednesday's players might not be paid their wages for July and sources say that they are considering refusing to play any matches.

It just gets worse for the club.

Surely that’s a breach of contract.?  Can the players just walk away as free agents.?

Yes, and a couple already have.

[rich1471]

The thing is some players with a resale value are been paid and all the under 21 are getting paid in full

[Smyth]

Well worth listening to the whole of last night's Wednesday Trust meeting, here's an excerpt of a Trust member  think called James who gives details of their meeting with the EFL at the end of last week. His conclusion says everything.

https://x.com/GrantR_1867/status/1950660421318504684

[RobTheRover]

Everything he says is what we already know. It's exactly how they behaved in 1997 when Uncle Ken was running us into the ground. They were only concerned with having the funding to fulfill fixtures and see the season out because expunging results from a mid-season withdrawal from the league damages their "product" .   

[DonnyBazR0ver]

They didn't act that way with Bolton although they were dealing with the administrator, who they seemed to keep in regular contact with, then of course when Bolton refused to play us, they still were very lenient with them (assuming the administrator persuaded them he would get the sale done with the new owners, despite missing previous deadlines)

As said before, the EFL should be appointing a specialist to oversee these situations and step in where necessary, with a view to sorting out the mess and if the worse comes to the worst, overseeing sales of clubs including assessing fair value for the sale etc as well as new owner tests, proof of funds. 

[karldew]

Appointed Henrik Pedersen as manager this morning. Wonder how they plan to pay him.

[turnbull for england]

Appointed Henrik Pedersen as manager this morning. Wonder how they plan to pay him.

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Pay him or play him?

[Alan Southstand]

Appointed Henrik Pedersen as manager this morning. Wonder how they plan to pay him.

Absolutely barmy - what’s possessed him to work under that numpty? They’re on a very rocky road atm, with no sign of things improving. For starters, how are they going to pay him?

[ravenrover]

Well he was Rohl assistant so he knows what a madhouse it is

[vaya]

Appointed Henrik Pedersen as manager this morning. Wonder how they plan to pay him.

Absolutely barmy - what’s possessed him to work under that numpty? They’re on a very rocky road atm, with no sign of things improving. For starters, how are they going to pay him?

Better hope he likes tuna, presumably.

[BobG]

Thanks for the link Smyth. It's made me very, very sad.

The obvious thing to say is 'plus ca change...'. That is pretty much word for word what the FL said to supporters of the Rovers 27 years ago. They had a file over a foot deep about Richardson and DRFC. Yet they continued to refuse to get involved - even when they were given written, documentary evidence of the Rovers Board of Directors contravening their own Articles of Association.  'Oh that's the responsbility of the Dept of Trade and Industry' they said. I'll give you one guess what the Dept of Trade and Industry said....

I might be a broken record on this, but the FL and the thrice accursed FA, are totally, completely and utterly incapable, unwilling and averse to managing the product that they control. They are charlatans. They will do anything  at all to avoid becoming involved. The only reason they did become involved when Brighton were dumped in the the shit was because Brighton is where an awful of ot TV and newspaper journalists live. The noise that they generated about Archer and Bellotti and the damage that this was doing to the reputations of the nebbishes in Lancaster Gate and Lytham St Annes outweighed their aversion to becoming involved.

Sheffield Wednesday will get absolutely no help whatever from both the FA and the FL. They have learned nothing, and done nothing substantive, in the almost 40 years now since Charlton Athletic. Presentation is everything. Action is nothing. I suspect they're scared to death of upsetting people with lots of money.

BobG

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Thanks for the link Smyth. It's made me very, very sad.

The obvious thing to say is 'plus ca change...'. That is pretty much word for word what the FL said to supporters of the Rovers 27 years ago. They had a file over a foot deep about Richardson and DRFC. Yet they continued to refuse to get involved - even when they were given written, documentary evidence of the Rovers Board of Directors contravening their own Articles of Association.  'Oh that's the responsbility of the Dept of Trade and Industry' they said. I'll give you one guess what the Dept of Trade and Industry said....

I might be a broken record on this, but the FL and the thrice accursed FA, are totally, completely and utterly incapable, unwilling and averse to managing the product that they control. They are charlatans. They will do anything  at all to avoid becoming involved. The only reason they did become involved when Brighton were dumped in the the shit was because Brighton is where an awful of ot TV and newspaper journalists live. The noise that they generated about Archer and Bellotti and the damage that this was doing to the reputations of the nebbishes in Lancaster Gate and Lytham St Annes outweighed their aversion to becoming involved.

Sheffield Wednesday will get absolutely no help whatever from both the FA and the FL. They have learned nothing, and done nothing substantive, in the almost 40 years now since Charlton Athletic. Presentation is everything. Action is nothing. I suspect they're scared to death of upsetting people with lots of money.

BobG

The same can be said of the EPL over the Man City case, seemingly incapable of delivering a judgement over a member club who appear infinitely more powerful than it's governing body. Similarly with Leicester who managed to duck sanctions and recognise the rules of both EPL & EFL.

If the new regulator can do something, one of its first priorities must be to return the game to one governing body with sufficient teeth and resources to administer the game, the rules and the sanctions. The commercial arm should negotiate all broadcasting rights on behalf of the whole pyramid for the benefit of the whole pyramid.

[Smyth]

Thanks for the link Smyth. It's made me very, very sad.

The obvious thing to say is 'plus ca change...'. That is pretty much word for word what the FL said to supporters of the Rovers 27 years ago. They had a file over a foot deep about Richardson and DRFC. Yet they continued to refuse to get involved - even when they were given written, documentary evidence of the Rovers Board of Directors contravening their own Articles of Association.  'Oh that's the responsbility of the Dept of Trade and Industry' they said. I'll give you one guess what the Dept of Trade and Industry said....

I might be a broken record on this, but the FL and the thrice accursed FA, are totally, completely and utterly incapable, unwilling and averse to managing the product that they control. They are charlatans. They will do anything  at all to avoid becoming involved. The only reason they did become involved when Brighton were dumped in the the shit was because Brighton is where an awful of ot TV and newspaper journalists live. The noise that they generated about Archer and Bellotti and the damage that this was doing to the reputations of the nebbishes in Lancaster Gate and Lytham St Annes outweighed their aversion to becoming involved.

Sheffield Wednesday will get absolutely no help whatever from both the FA and the FL. They have learned nothing, and done nothing substantive, in the almost 40 years now since Charlton Athletic. Presentation is everything. Action is nothing. I suspect they're scared to death of upsetting people with lots of money.

BobG

The same can be said of the EPL over the Man City case, seemingly incapable of delivering a judgement over a member club who appear infinitely more powerful than it's governing body. Similarly with Leicester who managed to duck sanctions and recognise the rules of both EPL & EFL.

If the new regulator can do something, one of its first priorities must be to return the game to one governing body with sufficient teeth and resources to administer the game, the rules and the sanctions. The commercial arm should negotiate all broadcasting rights on behalf of the whole pyramid for the benefit of the whole pyramid.

Wow you're hoping for something with your second paragraph.
One way in which the previous government was able to kick the can down the road was seek  the widest possible "consultation" , a delaying tactic used occasionally by the civil service in Whitehall in this instance in collaboration with the EPL, now the rules on ownership of EPL clubs has been established, Newcastle for instance.
Nothing the Regulator can do about that and therefore the EPL is a separate, independent organisation.
Love to know how anyone thinks the Regulator will impact Wednesday who have huge financial difficulties, along   with their closed Stand and an out of date stadium.
How does the Regulator impact and change that? Impossible.

[donnybez]

Thanks for the link Smyth. It's made me very, very sad.

The obvious thing to say is 'plus ca change...'. That is pretty much word for word what the FL said to supporters of the Rovers 27 years ago. They had a file over a foot deep about Richardson and DRFC. Yet they continued to refuse to get involved - even when they were given written, documentary evidence of the Rovers Board of Directors contravening their own Articles of Association.  'Oh that's the responsbility of the Dept of Trade and Industry' they said. I'll give you one guess what the Dept of Trade and Industry said....

I might be a broken record on this, but the FL and the thrice accursed FA, are totally, completely and utterly incapable, unwilling and averse to managing the product that they control. They are charlatans. They will do anything  at all to avoid becoming involved. The only reason they did become involved when Brighton were dumped in the the shit was because Brighton is where an awful of ot TV and newspaper journalists live. The noise that they generated about Archer and Bellotti and the damage that this was doing to the reputations of the nebbishes in Lancaster Gate and Lytham St Annes outweighed their aversion to becoming involved.

Sheffield Wednesday will get absolutely no help whatever from both the FA and the FL. They have learned nothing, and done nothing substantive, in the almost 40 years now since Charlton Athletic. Presentation is everything. Action is nothing. I suspect they're scared to death of upsetting people with lots of money.

BobG

The same can be said of the EPL over the Man City case, seemingly incapable of delivering a judgement over a member club who appear infinitely more powerful than it's governing body. Similarly with Leicester who managed to duck sanctions and recognise the rules of both EPL & EFL.

If the new regulator can do something, one of its first priorities must be to return the game to one governing body with sufficient teeth and resources to administer the game, the rules and the sanctions. The commercial arm should negotiate all broadcasting rights on behalf of the whole pyramid for the benefit of the whole pyramid.

Wow you're hoping for something with your second paragraph.
One way in which the previous government was able to kick the can down the road was seek  the widest possible "consultation" , a delaying tactic used occasionally by the civil service in Whitehall in this instance in collaboration with the EPL, now the rules on ownership of EPL clubs has been established, Newcastle for instance.
Nothing the Regulator can do about that and therefore the EPL is a separate, independent organisation.
Love to know how anyone thinks the Regulator will impact Wednesday who have huge financial difficulties, along   with their closed Stand and an out of date stadium.
How does the Regulator impact and change that? Impossible.

I think it has the power to appoint trustees to take over the day to day running and reduce what power an owner has besides the actual funding (at least thats what Clive Betts mp said on t'radio earlier).

The bill itself states: If the IFR determines that an owner or director is not suitable for their role at a club, they will be removed. The IFR will have enforcement powers to protect clubs from harm the unsuitable owner or director might cause, and to ultimately remove them.

Your right that the EPL and EFL are separate bodies (membership bodies to be precise) but this new regulator will effectively act like a licensing body i.e. The IFR will operate a licensing system for clubs in the top five tiers of English men's football, requiring them to meet certain standards to operate.

Its also interesting that alongside fit and proper tests and checks for source of wealth at the beginning; the regulator will be assessing competence throughout.

That being said I don't really see what a regulator or anyone can do when a club owner seems hellbent on destroying a club and team with a scorched earth tactic.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Thanks for the link Smyth. It's made me very, very sad.

The obvious thing to say is 'plus ca change...'. That is pretty much word for word what the FL said to supporters of the Rovers 27 years ago. They had a file over a foot deep about Richardson and DRFC. Yet they continued to refuse to get involved - even when they were given written, documentary evidence of the Rovers Board of Directors contravening their own Articles of Association.  'Oh that's the responsbility of the Dept of Trade and Industry' they said. I'll give you one guess what the Dept of Trade and Industry said....

I might be a broken record on this, but the FL and the thrice accursed FA, are totally, completely and utterly incapable, unwilling and averse to managing the product that they control. They are charlatans. They will do anything  at all to avoid becoming involved. The only reason they did become involved when Brighton were dumped in the the shit was because Brighton is where an awful of ot TV and newspaper journalists live. The noise that they generated about Archer and Bellotti and the damage that this was doing to the reputations of the nebbishes in Lancaster Gate and Lytham St Annes outweighed their aversion to becoming involved.

Sheffield Wednesday will get absolutely no help whatever from both the FA and the FL. They have learned nothing, and done nothing substantive, in the almost 40 years now since Charlton Athletic. Presentation is everything. Action is nothing. I suspect they're scared to death of upsetting people with lots of money.

BobG

The same can be said of the EPL over the Man City case, seemingly incapable of delivering a judgement over a member club who appear infinitely more powerful than it's governing body. Similarly with Leicester who managed to duck sanctions and recognise the rules of both EPL & EFL.

If the new regulator can do something, one of its first priorities must be to return the game to one governing body with sufficient teeth and resources to administer the game, the rules and the sanctions. The commercial arm should negotiate all broadcasting rights on behalf of the whole pyramid for the benefit of the whole pyramid.

Wow you're hoping for something with your second paragraph.
One way in which the previous government was able to kick the can down the road was seek  the widest possible "consultation" , a delaying tactic used occasionally by the civil service in Whitehall in this instance in collaboration with the EPL, now the rules on ownership of EPL clubs has been established, Newcastle for instance.
Nothing the Regulator can do about that and therefore the EPL is a separate, independent organisation.
Love to know how anyone thinks the Regulator will impact Wednesday who have huge financial difficulties, along   with their closed Stand and an out of date stadium.
How does the Regulator impact and change that? Impossible.

I think it has the power to appoint trustees to take over the day to day running and reduce what power an owner has besides the actual funding (at least thats what Clive Betts mp said on t'radio earlier).

The bill itself states: If the IFR determines that an owner or director is not suitable for their role at a club, they will be removed. The IFR will have enforcement powers to protect clubs from harm the unsuitable owner or director might cause, and to ultimately remove them.

Your right that the EPL and EFL are separate bodies (membership bodies to be precise) but this new regulator will effectively act like a licensing body i.e. The IFR will operate a licensing system for clubs in the top five tiers of English men's football, requiring them to meet certain standards to operate.

Its also interesting that alongside fit and proper tests and checks for source of wealth at the beginning; the regulator will be assessing competence throughout.

That being said I don't really see what a regulator or anyone can do when a club owner seems hellbent on destroying a club and team with a scorched earth tactic.

Well that's should be part of the process of determining whether an owner remains fit and proper.

Surely, one of the first red flags is failure to pay wages, and/or HMRC etc, so instead of just applying a sanction, make it compulsory that a 'Troubleshooter' is appointed to work with the owner to try and sort out the problems. If by opening the books, it reveals there are more fundamental problems, then the troubleshooter should be able to make recommendations to sell, if the owner no longer meets the fit and proper criteria and can no longer fund the club, or go into administration etc.

[GazLaz]

Andy Giddings has wrote on x that Wednesday's players might not be paid their wages for July and sources say that they are considering refusing to play any matches.

It just gets worse for the club.

Surely that’s a breach of contract.?  Can the players just walk away as free agents.?

Yes, and they are doing.

[ForsolongaRover]

Appointed Henrik Pedersen as manager this morning. Wonder how they plan to pay him.

Absolutely barmy - what’s possessed him to work under that numpty? They’re on a very rocky road atm, with no sign of things improving. For starters, how are they going to pay him?

Better hope he likes tuna, presumably.

Yes - the price went up again this week and I now know who to blame. Should I boycott it?

[Barmby Rover]

The future with an "independent" regulator, is that it will still be by appointment of politicians, with help from the establishment in the FA, and judgments will be made by seeing who can fill cavernous back pockets of those in judgement. Would you trust "gizza suit" Starmer to pick an honest broker? Or Farage? Or Braverman? Neither would I!

[BobG]

One of the most interesting things about the putting of the football regulation bill before Parliament was the fact that both the Conservative and the Labour Parties recognised that the leadership of football is inept and has been so for a very long time. Why else would any Government devote parliamentary time, that is always, always in extremely short supply, to something that, for a century and half, has been of very little interest to government? The EPL, the FA and the FL have brought all this upon themselves. Having conclusively demonstrated their severe lack of spine, lack of depth in their thinking, short termism and a gift for following the money, they've proved their total inablity to govern and manage football.

I honestly can't think of any other industry that has been so badly managed for so long - and there's plenty of candidates too!

BobG

[Smyth]

Previous government didn't allocate parliamentary time, it used the so called consultation process to delay any government legislation until time had run out,  even if the election had come later there still wasn't time to get any through.
All handled perfectly well by Whitehall civil service and football authorities to ensure any legislation passed would contain very limited effective measures or none that would affect the Premier League, the rules on who could own Premier league clubs being established during the consultation process,  i.e. Newcastle multi billionaires, even if that be a national government as in Saudi Arabia

[BobG]

Yup. That proves my point doesns't it Smyth?!

Cheers

BobG

[5minstogo]

Being reported that 7 further players have handed their notice in due to late payments for July.

[Metalmicky]

BBC recent article...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce3j27y92p8o

[BobG]

Ha ha ha! 

The EFL "are becoming increasingly concerned".

Wonderful. Simply wonderful. Well done them.

Not.

BobG

[BobG]

We recently listed clubs who have been ground into the dirt over the last 40 years or so by their owners. If my memory is working, we ended up with very slightly more than 50% of all the clubs in the Football League.

That, apparently, has not, and does not, concern these shallow, vapid, people in the slightest.

BobG

[DonnyBazR0ver]

And only now, do they start using the power they have at their disposal...

"“The Star understands that the EFL is planning to take control of some of the club’s finances in order to pay their creditors.

“The League have the power to pay the club’s creditors, including players, staff and other clubs owed money, rather than sending TV money and other such amounts to the club itself. That is believed to be one the next steps that could be taken.”

[Jimmydee]

Bannan is good for another season, get him signed

[dknward2]

And only now, do they start using the power they have at their disposal...

"“The Star understands that the EFL is planning to take control of some of the club’s finances in order to pay their creditors.

“The League have the power to pay the club’s creditors, including players, staff and other clubs owed money, rather than sending TV money and other such amounts to the club itself. That is believed to be one the next steps that could be taken.”

Should have happened when they didn’t pay the staff a 2nd time, 1st time things happen a warning any business can be effected but a 2nd time action should and needs to be taken

[ForsolongaRover]

And only now, do they start using the power they have at their disposal...

"“The Star understands that the EFL is planning to take control of some of the club’s finances in order to pay their creditors.

“The League have the power to pay the club’s creditors, including players, staff and other clubs owed money, rather than sending TV money and other such amounts to the club itself. That is believed to be one the next steps that could be taken.”

I can’t say I knew that, but it is a logical extension of their reasonable authority. I wonder how often they have intervened in this way before. The evidence on this case seems very compelling.

[Chris Black come back]

Bannan is good for another season, get him signed

Oddly, just today signed a new deal for them. Hope he asked for money up front.