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Great statementSome of the more sinister events ought to be revealed, there’s loads that people don’t know
I'd like to add my sincere thanks to Martin, Rob and the others at the VSC for standing firm in the face of the vitriol and abuse they suffered at the time of this whole shabby episode.As supporters of DRFC we owe them a huge debt of gratitude for refusing to give way and for protecting our club against what would have been a disaster.Not for the first time, I say "thank heavens for the VSC".
Quote from: Fal on September 20, 2025, 03:49:04 pmWhilst yes the truth has come out please don’t jump at those who were calling you guys out back then. They weren’t privy to the facts and only had what was being shared in the public domain to go on.Respectfully disagree mate. People such as SM were telling us that this was bad for the club and the vsc were the fans reps on the board. They were holding people to account but a lot of folk held JR as the Messiah and blindly followed him. Thank God for the vsc and those who were very hands on at the time.
Whilst yes the truth has come out please don’t jump at those who were calling you guys out back then. They weren’t privy to the facts and only had what was being shared in the public domain to go on.
Quote from: Nudga on September 20, 2025, 03:53:25 pmQuote from: Fal on September 20, 2025, 03:49:04 pmWhilst yes the truth has come out please don’t jump at those who were calling you guys out back then. They weren’t privy to the facts and only had what was being shared in the public domain to go on.Respectfully disagree mate. People such as SM were telling us that this was bad for the club and the vsc were the fans reps on the board. They were holding people to account but a lot of folk held JR as the Messiah and blindly followed him. Thank God for the vsc and those who were very hands on at the time. I think some additional context is needed here... Only two and a bit years prior the VSC (not the same people, but the same organisation) had been championing Willie McKay's experiment and dismissing and belittling many of those who dared to question it or call it our rather than get blithely behind it, less they upset John Ryan.With that in mind, you can understand why some fans, especially without the benefit of the full facts at their disposal, may have been wary of going along with the VSC on this issue. I'm not excusing any abuse that VSC committee members may have received by any means (that's undeniably not right), but I think, as Fal says, it's unfair (and unhelpful) to start calling out fans who might have had a different view to the VSC at the time.I'm not in that group – the fanzine was also calling out the Louis Tomlinson centred deal and backed the VSC for doing so, and I duly also copped my own share of abuse for doing so – but in hindsight I can understand why many found it hard to fully get behind the VSC's efforts at the time.
VivaI'm sure you remember it WASN'T just that some folk ",found it hard to fully get behind the VSC's efforts at the time".The level of abuse and vitriol on here towards the VSC at the time and since was worse than anything I've ever seen. That spread out into other social media, and onto the terraces where "f**k the VSC" tags and chants became commonplace.In a sensible, grown up world, there's some serious apologising to be done by a few people over that. I won't hold my breath.
So currently diving into the murky history, having read the mortuary tribunal regrading O’Brien and dinard saga, turns out Kevin phelan and Aidan phelan are of no relation…oddi thought….the complete history book by Tony bluff is a great readz
Viva.I think you’re being unfair here, although I agree with some elements of what you say.Let’s not forget it was the VSC that raised numerous funds which they handed over to JR in his early years getting DRFC off the ground. It was also the VSC, in the shape of Andy Liney, who negotiated the move to the Keepmoat. JR might have been the public figure yet it was Andy who attended the meetings and sat with the planners at DMBC.It was that short period after Andy left that the VSC lost its way. Andy handed the reigns to someone who quite clearly had no grasp of what a supporters trust was about. I called it the John Ryan fan club as all the work and effort went into supporting him. I got a call from Supporters Direct asking if I could have a closer look at what was going on, and I’ve been involved ever since! It was during that period that the tie up with Willie McKay was instigated and it took a while to get the VSC back on track.So yes I agree that at that time they were doing the wrong thing but prior, and subsequent to that period, theyhave acted as you would expect.I would also suggest that people wait until we’ve published the details of that period before casting judgement. There’s an awful lot to be told!!
are backed with proof and evidence.
I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.
Quote from: TonySoprano on September 26, 2025, 10:48:26 amare backed with proof and evidence. Not entirely sure you've grasped how the legal process works there.
Quote from: TonySoprano on September 26, 2025, 10:48:26 amI feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated. I’ll have to disagree there TS. At the time, there were posts on this very forum explaining why we didn’t trust the deal—hence the meetings where JR was invited to discuss it. We also held both public and private discussions with those who disagreed with us, explaining why we felt we had to oppose it. And we made a point of reminding everyone, almost daily, of the Trust’s responsibility to be so thorough.
Quote from: vaya on September 26, 2025, 11:34:30 amQuote from: TonySoprano on September 26, 2025, 10:48:26 amare backed with proof and evidence. Not entirely sure you've grasped how the legal process works there.It's settled now, let's hear it all. Or is there some other reason for still keeping quiet?