A decade later and finally the truth comes out

[BillyStubbsTears]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

I’ll have to disagree there TS. At the time, there were posts on this very forum explaining why we didn’t trust the deal—hence the meetings where JR was invited to discuss it. We also held both public and private discussions with those who disagreed with us, explaining why we felt we had to oppose it. And we made a point of reminding everyone, almost daily, of the Trust’s responsibility to be so thorough.

Would you care to link the to the said posts.
Because as I remember it, nothing was explained, and still isn't. 

Why don't you go and look for them? Then consider whether you are as informed on this as you thought you were.

[TonySoprano]

Tony. Why must you always believe there is a conspiracy? Have you read the rules by which the VSC operates? Have you no understanding of the legal processes in this country? Have you no faith in anybody at all telling the truth? Have you no memory?

What you imply is downright shameful.

BobG

Oh get a grip of yourself

[TonySoprano]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

I’ll have to disagree there TS. At the time, there were posts on this very forum explaining why we didn’t trust the deal—hence the meetings where JR was invited to discuss it. We also held both public and private discussions with those who disagreed with us, explaining why we felt we had to oppose it. And we made a point of reminding everyone, almost daily, of the Trust’s responsibility to be so thorough.

Would you care to link the to the said posts.
Because as I remember it, nothing was explained, and still isn't. 

Why don't you go and look for them? Then consider whether you are as informed on this as you thought you were.

Im not wasting my time searching for something that doesn't exist

[i_ateallthepies]

Im not wasting my time searching for something that doesn't exist

Hahaha!  Priceless.

[bigallan]

Can we put and to the bickering please and end to the subject

At the end of the day we have a club to support and a board (vsc and the club as whole ) that are doing great things for this great club of ours

ROVER TI I DIE !!!!!!!!

[Glyn_Wigley]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

I’ll have to disagree there TS. At the time, there were posts on this very forum explaining why we didn’t trust the deal—hence the meetings where JR was invited to discuss it. We also held both public and private discussions with those who disagreed with us, explaining why we felt we had to oppose it. And we made a point of reminding everyone, almost daily, of the Trust’s responsibility to be so thorough.

Would you care to link the to the said posts.
Because as I remember it, nothing was explained, and still isn't. 

Why don't you go and look for them? Then consider whether you are as informed on this as you thought you were.

Im not wasting my time searching for something that doesn't exist

If only you could be that bothered about not wasting everybody else's time...

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

Still now were told there are things they still cant talk about.

JR is still the best chairman and owner we've ever had, unless some of the snide insinuations against him on here are backed with proof and evidence, then that will never change.

That's quite an irony given the VSC's stance was asking JR to provide some further Transparency and reassurance about the source of the funding.

Publicly available resources revealed what we knew about Sequentia and Kevin Phelan. Until JR could provide that evidence, we weren't in a position to change that stance.

You can make your own mind up now, especially with the benefit of hindsight, who had the most to hide?

[BobG]

Sadly, I've reached the conclusion, DBR, that we're talking to pork. It's all clearly completely wasted effort.

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

I’ll have to disagree there TS. At the time, there were posts on this very forum explaining why we didn’t trust the deal—hence the meetings where JR was invited to discuss it. We also held both public and private discussions with those who disagreed with us, explaining why we felt we had to oppose it. And we made a point of reminding everyone, almost daily, of the Trust’s responsibility to be so thorough.

Would you care to link the to the said posts.
Because as I remember it, nothing was explained, and still isn't. 

Why don't you go and look for them? Then consider whether you are as informed on this as you thought you were.

Im not wasting my time searching for something that doesn't exist

You can find it in 30 seconds. You prefer to stay ignorant and certain of your own (wrong) opinions. On this as on so much else.

[TonySoprano]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

I’ll have to disagree there TS. At the time, there were posts on this very forum explaining why we didn’t trust the deal—hence the meetings where JR was invited to discuss it. We also held both public and private discussions with those who disagreed with us, explaining why we felt we had to oppose it. And we made a point of reminding everyone, almost daily, of the Trust’s responsibility to be so thorough.

Would you care to link the to the said posts.
Because as I remember it, nothing was explained, and still isn't. 

Why don't you go and look for them? Then consider whether you are as informed on this as you thought you were.

Im not wasting my time searching for something that doesn't exist

You can find it in 30 seconds. You prefer to stay ignorant and certain of your own (wrong) opinions. On this as on so much else.

Ok, I've had a look, and theres nothing, not a thing.

You say it takes 30.seconds, then show me

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well.

See that "Search" button.

Amazing thing.

You type in "sequentia" and "Vsc" into the search bar.

You put in the name of a prominent VSC person, like RobTheRover into the "By User" entry.

You choose "Show oldest topics first" because you want to know what was said at the time.

And you get this, stating clearly why the VSC were on guard against Sequentia.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=243092.msg391362#msg391362

Maybe a bit more practice at looking for info and a bit less shooting your mouth off in future?

[BobG]

"He's got verbal diarrhoea" as my old Dad used to say.

Coupled with serious brain atrophy.

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

And lo it did come to pass that the gobshite's gnashing of teeth did fall silent.

[TonySoprano]

So one post buried in the archives of the forum?

Hardly transparent communication.

Hence my point that you cant be surprised when people had a pop at the vsc at the time.

[Filo]

So one post buried in the archives of the forum?

Hardly transparent communication.

Hence my point that you cant be surprised when people had a pop at the vsc at the time.

How many posts do you want?

You made a statement, that post contradicts what you claim, repeating what you claim over and over again doesn’t make it true

[TonySoprano]

So one post buried in the archives of the forum?

Hardly transparent communication.

Hence my point that you cant be surprised when people had a pop at the vsc at the time.

How many posts do you want?

You made a statement, that post contradicts what you claim, repeating what you claim over and over again doesn’t make it true

That's not my point though is it.

The vast majority of Rovers fans dont use this forum, so how would they know?

[Filo]

So one post buried in the archives of the forum?

Hardly transparent communication.

Hence my point that you cant be surprised when people had a pop at the vsc at the time.

How many posts do you want?

You made a statement, that post contradicts what you claim, repeating what you claim over and over again doesn’t make it true

That's not my point though is it.

The vast majority of Rovers fans dont use this forum, so how would they know?

You were questioning the transparency of the VSC at the time, a statement was shown to you from the VSC at the time, a statement you claimed in a post further down the thread “doesn’t exist” make your mind up what you are trying to say!

 https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=295258.msg1420293#msg1420293

[TonySoprano]

So one post buried in the archives of the forum?

Hardly transparent communication.

Hence my point that you cant be surprised when people had a pop at the vsc at the time.

How many posts do you want?

You made a statement, that post contradicts what you claim, repeating what you claim over and over again doesn’t make it true

That's not my point though is it.

The vast majority of Rovers fans dont use this forum, so how would they know?

You were questioning the transparency of the VSC at the time, a statement was shown to you from the VSC at the time, a statement you claimed in a post further down the thread “doesn’t exist” make your mind up what you are trying to say!

 https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=295258.msg1420293#msg1420293

Again, its not the point i am making

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So one post buried in the archives of the forum?

Hardly transparent communication.

Hence my point that you cant be surprised when people had a pop at the vsc at the time.

How many posts do you want?

You made a statement, that post contradicts what you claim, repeating what you claim over and over again doesn’t make it true

That's not my point though is it.

The vast majority of Rovers fans dont use this forum, so how would they know?

Certainly at the time years back there were various other communication angles, the website, twitter as was, Facebook etc. it was a big topic, nobody remotely interested in rovers can pretend they knew nothing of it.

[silent majority]

I feel that if the vsc were more transparent at the time as to why they were fighting it, then some of the animosity could have been alleviated.

Still now were told there are things they still cant talk about.

JR is still the best chairman and owner we've ever had, unless some of the snide insinuations against him on here are backed with proof and evidence, then that will never change.

We were very, very, transparent at the time. We were overrun with individuals, and groups, who wanted to express their opinion on us as a group and as individuals. Certain posts that we put out on here attracted thousands upon thousands of views, some running into 25 - 30,000 territory. We were so popular people even chanted our name at home and away games!! JR even talked about us on the radio!!

Some of those threads we 'archived' though, because certain individuals kept returning to them many months and years later, which dragged up the old us and them animosity. Don't worry though, we still have them, along with copies of all the literature we received. And, seeing as this penny hasn't dropped yet despite repeating it over and over, we have been careful with what we've been saying over the years because we were well aware of the Police investigation into certain individuals. And we were well aware of the court case too and we couldn't prejudice that either.

And, repeating ourselves again, we will disclose the full story as we see it, the truth about the very dubious lawyer and the others in the scam, the threats to us as individuals, the two takeover bids that were just one, why they wanted our club, the physical and verbal abuse at matches, and we will release the documentation we hold that will puncture your balloon for you. But I make this offer to JR, if he wants to meet up and answer our questions then I'll be more than happy to meet with him.

[TonySoprano]

Theres no baloon to burst, merely making a valid point.

Perhaps I put the point across in a way that could have been better.

most of the people who criticised the vsc at the time jumped on the band wagon without knowing the facts, facts which they were unaware of or didn't have access to.

We clearly all should be grateful to the vsc, and I personally thank them for all they have done and continue to do.

But I also dont blame people at the time for getting frustrated, although the ones that abused physically and verbally were bang out of order.


Thanks again to the vsc, and I'll leave it at that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's better.

If you're now retracting the accusation that the VSC were at least partly responsible for the animosity through not being transparent at the time, when they WERE as transparent as they could be, that's a decent conclusion.

The animosity as I recall it, came from a very common issue in those sorts of exchanges. Folk deciding they knew, just KNEW there was some ulterior motive going on, and doubling down on that despite the evidence in front of them.

I've always thought that says far more about those people than they ever realise.

[ravenrover]

Theres no baloon to burst, merely making a valid point.

Perhaps I put the point across in a way that could have been better.

most of the people who criticised the vsc at the time jumped on the band wagon without knowing the facts, facts which they were unaware of or didn't have access to.

We clearly all should be grateful to the vsc, and I personally thank them for all they have done and continue to do.

But I also dont blame people at the time for getting frustrated, although the ones that abused physically and verbally were bang out of order.


Thanks again to the vsc, and I'll leave it at that.

[Filo]

Theres no baloon to burst, merely making a valid point.

Perhaps I put the point across in a way that could have been better.

most of the people who criticised the vsc at the time jumped on the band wagon without knowing the facts, facts which they were unaware of or didn't have access to.

We clearly all should be grateful to the vsc, and I personally thank them for all they have done and continue to do.

But I also dont blame people at the time for getting frustrated, although the ones that abused physically and verbally were bang out of order.


Thanks again to the vsc, and I'll leave it at that.

Will you be joining the VSC, now you realise the value of it’s existence?

[TonySoprano]

That's better.

If you're now retracting the accusation that the VSC were at least partly responsible for the animosity through not being transparent at the time, when they WERE as transparent as they could be, that's a decent conclusion.

The animosity as I recall it, came from a very common issue in those sorts of exchanges. Folk deciding they knew, just KNEW there was some ulterior motive going on, and doubling down on that despite the evidence in front of them.

I've always thought that says far more about those people than they ever realise.

Nope, im still standing by my point.

But as usual, you go to the extreme and interpret things way off.

I just wanted to clarify my point in another way.

But then its got nothing to do with you.

[TonySoprano]

Theres no baloon to burst, merely making a valid point.

Perhaps I put the point across in a way that could have been better.

most of the people who criticised the vsc at the time jumped on the band wagon without knowing the facts, facts which they were unaware of or didn't have access to.

We clearly all should be grateful to the vsc, and I personally thank them for all they have done and continue to do.

But I also dont blame people at the time for getting frustrated, although the ones that abused physically and verbally were bang out of order.


Thanks again to the vsc, and I'll leave it at that.

Will you be joining the VSC, now you realise the value of it’s existence?

I've never disputed the value if its existence.

[Filo]

Theres no baloon to burst, merely making a valid point.

Perhaps I put the point across in a way that could have been better.

most of the people who criticised the vsc at the time jumped on the band wagon without knowing the facts, facts which they were unaware of or didn't have access to.

We clearly all should be grateful to the vsc, and I personally thank them for all they have done and continue to do.

But I also dont blame people at the time for getting frustrated, although the ones that abused physically and verbally were bang out of order.


Thanks again to the vsc, and I'll leave it at that.

Will you be joining the VSC, now you realise the value of it’s existence?

I've never disputed the value if its existence.

So will you be joining?

[McCammon egg n chips]

What a desperately unedifying spectacle this thread has turned into.

[BobG]

And all caused by one jumped up little twerp who can't  read, can't  research and can't take no for an answer. A complete bell end.

BobG

[idler]

Theres no baloon to burst, merely making a valid point.

Perhaps I put the point across in a way that could have been better.

most of the people who criticised the vsc at the time jumped on the band wagon without knowing the facts, facts which they were unaware of or didn't have access to.

We clearly all should be grateful to the vsc, and I personally thank them for all they have done and continue to do.

But I also dont blame people at the time for getting frustrated, although the ones that abused physically and verbally were bang out of order.


Thanks again to the vsc, and I'll leave it at that.

Will you be joining the VSC, now you realise the value of it’s existence?

I've never disputed the value if its existence.

Surely if the supposed buyers give no information about their finances the VSC can only declare that until they receive this information they can’t endorse the bid. The Uncle Ken fiasco surely should have made all fans very wary of unsubstantiated bids. When the whole truth comes out about threats made to VSC members comes out you may change your stance.