This is becoming a crisis

[danumdon]

Thought overall we played ok today, their first goal was just poor positioning by the centre half's and we should have been closer to the striker, the second goal was a pure fluke, TLT saves and the rebound was too quick for Gotts to get out of the way or control.

Our build up play though sporadic was good in parts and we created good chances, obviously the results are not going our way just now but the performances are there and our luck will change.

Hanlon took his goal very well and was strong, we need to look to get him more game time and i would be looking to replace BS with him, he needs games and will improve with them, BS had a clear cut chance and should have scored' he was very isolated up top and can't cover on his own due to his lack of pace, so the position is not optimal for his game. I think he's more suited to coming on later at stretched defences.

Just need to keep our nerve until we an get recruits in Jan but i can't see any reason for GM to change the setup just now, performances are there, our luck will change.

[Barmby Rover]

I get fed up with seeing the stats appear with shots compared with on target, it is usually at least 6:1, and recently we have been struggling to produce even 6 shots!

[Chris Black come back]

There is lots we could do but realistically there are two signings we need to make - a central striker and another option at right wing.

We could potentially make Hanlan the right wing option, so it might just need the central striker.

For a set up that relies so much on the wingers, not having another option to Molyneux that’s a bit different, is a problem. Ajayi looked very good at the start of the season but is not at the races now for whatever reason. 

Probably best all round if Westbrooke, Ajayi, Lasagne and perhaps potentially Crew move on in January.

[ncRover]

There is lots we could do but realistically there are two signings we need to make - a central striker and another option at right wing.

We could potentially make Hanlan the right wing option, so it might just need the central striker.

For a set up that relies so much on the wingers, not having another option to Molyneux that’s a bit different, is a problem. Ajayi looked very good at the start of the season but is not at the races now for whatever reason. 

Probably best all round if Westbrooke, Ajayi, Lasagne and perhaps potentially Crew move on in January.

Middleton can play right wing. That would suit this system more (as Grant usually has wide players coming from out to in) because he is left footed.

I would then get a focal point striker who can get us up the pitch and a quick left sided right-footed player who are both goal threats. That was the template of the ten-in-a-row team.

[Lesonthewest]

We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.

I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.

Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in  league 1.

Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?

It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.

Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack  of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.

So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.

[GazLaz]

We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.

I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.

Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in  league 1.

Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?

It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.

Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack  of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.

So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.

Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.

[mushRTID]

There is lots we could do but realistically there are two signings we need to make - a central striker and another option at right wing.

We could potentially make Hanlan the right wing option, so it might just need the central striker.

For a set up that relies so much on the wingers, not having another option to Molyneux that’s a bit different, is a problem. Ajayi looked very good at the start of the season but is not at the races now for whatever reason. 

Probably best all round if Westbrooke, Ajayi, Lasagne and perhaps potentially Crew move on in January.

We badly need some legs and muscle in CM for me.
We’re too slow, neat and tidy. We need some quality in there.

[Canadian Rover]

Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.

[ncRover]

Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.

Hard when he’s going off to the arse end of Europe every fortnight

[GazLaz]

Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.

Hard when he’s going off to the arse end of Europe every fortnight

Is it though? Or is that another excuse that Sean Dyche, I mean McCann has touted and becomes the narrative? Yes he misses games periodically by how would that have affected him against Barnsley if he had played last week?

[GazLaz]

Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.

Hard when he’s going off to the arse end of Europe every fortnight

Is it though? Or is that another excuse that Sean Dyche, I mean McCann has touted and becomes the narrative? Yes he misses games periodically by how would that have affected him against Barnsley if he had played last week?

It’s either Broadbent or Crewe in this team and I can’t see him dropping George again. Bailey and Clifton are different players that carry out a different role.

[jmt23]

Some need to calm down a bit, we played ok for long spells today and against Barnsley, we have enough quality to stay up, and be clear of relegation in my opinion.

We also need to recognise Lincoln are a seasoned league one team in excellent form, and we managed to make them feel very uncomfortable toward the end.

The team needs some work, look at Lincoln, every one of them were tall fast, powerful and just about on the right side of aggressive.

In comparison we lack pace throughout and we have a few small players. We are really struggling in left and right back areas with pace and quality. I’m not convinced in the midfield yet either.

A word on TLT, he has begun to look slightly better and he did well under pressure from some great crosses.

[donnievic]

No crisis for me,yes we are on a bad run but the last 2 games are up the with the best we have played all season including the games we won early doors,last two games not been much in it all against 2 decent teams

[BillyStubbsTears]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

[sedwardsdrfc]

In fairness some of the best teams in the world are struggling with long throws at the moment. It looks so easy to defend but it just creates moments like that. We could have scored from a similar one

[roversdude]

Believe

[BillyStubbsTears]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..

Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.

[GazLaz]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..

Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.

I think the emergency system and the PA system were/are two different systems. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

[dickos1]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!

[Fal]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

So TLT saving it and it hitting Gotts before he got time to realise isn't unlucky? Okay BST...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..

Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.

I think the emergency system and the PA system were/are two different systems. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

Could be. I don't know the details of how the Rovers' system works. To be fair, my professional knowledge is 30 years old and back in those days, the PA system WAS the emergency Comms system

[BillyStubbsTears]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

So TLT saving it and it hitting Gotts before he got time to realise isn't unlucky? Okay BST...

The point is, if you f**k up yourself, you can't complain if you have a bad break

[In the box]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..

Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.

P.A.  Rubbish how much did that cost against not getting to the championship . our priorities are to compete at this supposed higher level and we aren’t … competing!!

[drfchound]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!

Of course it was.
He is just throwing a grenade in to stir things up for a bit of mischief.

[GazLaz]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!

Of course it was.
He is just throwing a grenade in to stir things up for a bit of mischief.

I agree with BST, it was abysmal defending from the throw. We can’t complain about the ricochet off Gotts. There was misfortune in the final outcome but there were plenty of other outcomes to that passage of play where there man scores. Certainly can’t complain about it.

[drfchound]

Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession

It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.

Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…

It really wasn't an unlucky winner.

The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.

If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.

Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone

Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!

Of course it was.
He is just throwing a grenade in to stir things up for a bit of mischief.

I agree with BST, it was abysmal defending from the throw. We can’t complain about the ricochet off Gotts. There was misfortune in the final outcome but there were plenty of other outcomes to that passage of play where there man scores. Certainly can’t complain about it.

I also agree that the defending could have been better but it WAS unlucky the way the ball ended up in our net.
You said  yourself there was misfortune involved.

[dickos1]

It can be both bad defending and unlucky.
The ball could’ve gone anywhere after it was saved to suggest what happened isn’t unlucky is nonsense.

[Dougiebulletheader]

To late and could have still stopped what happened after the throw but I feel he took it at least 10 yards down line from where it went out..

[Lesonthewest]

We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.

I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.

Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in  league 1.

Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?

It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.

Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack  of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.

So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.

Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.

We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.

I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.

Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in  league 1.

Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?

It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.

Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack  of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.

So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.

Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.

We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.

I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.

Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in  league 1.

Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?

It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.

Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack  of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.

So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.

Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.

Very true, maybe asking too much, but, if we are to make an impact, & are serious to match the ambition of our manager, we have to sign, & no disrespect to who we currently have, a player who can replace Street's goals from last season.
 

[Bentley Bullet]

Do we need someone better than Street, bearing in mind we're in a division higher now than when Street was prolific in goalscoring for us?