GM v Fergie

[scawsby steve]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

[GazLaz]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

[sedwardsdrfc]

They do seem a bit alike as managers in that they get on runs of winning or losing. We just need a few results to stop the rot but can’t do it.

Grant has the upcoming Jan on his side. If it was after the window and we go on this kind of run we’re in trouble.

[keith79]

Thing about mc is that he wont change that formation. We are wide open in every game we play.

[scawsby steve]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

Come on, Gaz, it was you who said it was only against a reserve side. In front of a crowd of 2000 as well.

A bit of a different scenario to league games.

[GazLaz]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

Come on, Gaz, it was you who said it was only against a reserve side. In front of a crowd of 2000 as well.

A bit of a different scenario to league games.

We won the league with the same players not too long ago. “Winning mentality” is just a b*llocks saying. We’ve just not improved the squad from last season and we are in a league above. That’s why we are struggling. Nothing to do with mentality.

[scawsby steve]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

Come on, Gaz, it was you who said it was only against a reserve side. In front of a crowd of 2000 as well.

A bit of a different scenario to league games.

We won the league with the same players not too long ago. “Winning mentality” is just a b*llocks saying. We’ve just not improved the squad from last season and we are in a league above. That’s why we are struggling. Nothing to do with mentality.

So you don't think that confidence plays a part? I think a lot of sports psychologists would disagree with you there.

Why do you think the Premier League champions can't buy a win at the moment?

[Blue Green Algae]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

Come on, Gaz, it was you who said it was only against a reserve side. In front of a crowd of 2000 as well.

A bit of a different scenario to league games.

We won the league with the same players not too long ago. “Winning mentality” is just a b*llocks saying. We’ve just not improved the squad from last season and we are in a league above. That’s why we are struggling. Nothing to do with mentality.

So you don't think that confidence plays a part? I think a lot of sports psychologists would disagree with you there.

Why do you think the Premier League champions can't buy a win at the moment?

Teams know exactly how to play against Liverpool to expose their weaknesses. We're seeing the same thing happen to us. Be interesting to see which coach works out a solution sooner.

[In the box]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

Fergie brought player in to the club McCann and even Moore let them leave and all we have is 39 yr old  who love our club but is now getting frustrated at his own ability slowing down ..

[Padge_DRFC]

The only signing making us better is O'Riordan.

[Chris Black come back]

You’d imagine Grehan might be starting more games at centre back in the second half of the season. Assume Pearson might drop back a bit. 

[In the box]

The only signing making us better is O'Riordan.

He won’t be in the new year that’s certain !!

[mushRTID]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

Come on, Gaz, it was you who said it was only against a reserve side. In front of a crowd of 2000 as well.

A bit of a different scenario to league games.

We won the league with the same players not too long ago. “Winning mentality” is just a b*llocks saying. We’ve just not improved the squad from last season and we are in a league above. That’s why we are struggling. Nothing to do with mentality.

Genuine question.

I believe in the past you have said “momentum” is a myth.

Do you at least agree we had momentum at the start of the season?

It feels to me like we clearly did, and now it’s gone.

[GazLaz]

The winless league run for GM is now 9 games. Fergie's was 15, and it got us relegated.

At the moment, it's difficult to see where the next win is coming from. We just don't have a winning mentality, reflected by the lack of a clinical edge in both boxes.

We won 4 days ago. Was there no “winning mentality” there?

Come on, Gaz, it was you who said it was only against a reserve side. In front of a crowd of 2000 as well.

A bit of a different scenario to league games.

We won the league with the same players not too long ago. “Winning mentality” is just a b*llocks saying. We’ve just not improved the squad from last season and we are in a league above. That’s why we are struggling. Nothing to do with mentality.

Genuine question.

I believe in the past you have said “momentum” is a myth.

Do you think we had momentum at the start of the season?

It feels to me like we clearly did, and now it’s gone.

We started the season well due to continuity and the fact we were ahead of other teams in terms of preparation and fitness. I remember being at the MK away game and thinking that it was unbelievable how far ahead of them we were in terms of fitness and sharpness.

I also think that we are pretty predictable in how we play (we were last season as well btw). As you move up a level the managers and analysts are better at negating opposition threat. They will have watched us over that opening period and created a blueprint for playing against us.

A combination of these things and the fact we haven’t improved the quality in the final third is why we are struggling.

[sedwardsdrfc]

More is probably places on momentum and mentality than they deserve (because media need to talk about something) but that doesn’t mean they are b*llocks.

Anyone shows played the game knows confidence adds so much to your game and that there’s winners and loser personalities in the team. The pro game just narrows the margins. They are all winners to even get that far but there’s always levels.

[dickos1]

We’ve played better in the last couple of games than we did at port vale, than we did at Mansfield, than we did against Rotherham, than we did against Exeter.
We won all those games yet we’ve lost these last two, that’s football for you
The results will change if we keep the level of performance up!

[Pancho Regan]

I think a little bit of calm is required here.

Another thread speaks of a “crisis”.
That is crazy.

Come on, calm down and keep supporting the team and GM.
The performances have not been bad and we will turn this around.

Keep the faith.

[In the box]

I think a little bit of calm is required here.

Another thread speaks of a “crisis”.
That is crazy.

Come on, calm down and keep supporting the team and GM.
The performances have not been bad and we will turn this around.

Keep the faith.

Performances have generally been consistent but it’s the final third that’s let us down and our lack real penetration in the box whether its from crosses or getting shots off early . We do not have a striker .. simple as that . McCann must have hoped on scoring more from midfielders and it’s just not happening ( Bailey aside) as not signing a striker could only have been a decision not taking lightly .. January is a long way off .

[Draytonian III]

The only signing making us better is O'Riordan.

He won’t be in the new year that’s certain !!

And you know that how ?

[GazLaz]

The only signing making us better is O'Riordan.

He won’t be in the new year that’s certain !!

And you know that how ?

Why wouldn’t he be? He’s been decent enough without being spectacular. The fact he’s good on the ball skews people perception a bit and they overlook the fact he’s not as good at defending the box as others.

[LincsRover]

To answer the OP: GM every time, no contest!. Fergie brought in some decent players but I’ll never forget finishing 3rd in a two horse race when we lost against already relegated Hartlepool. GM has a winning mentality. Last season we could have gone to notts county and coasted but we played as if we had to win, whereas Fergie allowed the team to play on the beach once we were promoted. We are lucky to have him! 

[scawsby steve]

To answer the OP: GM every time, no contest!. Fergie brought in some decent players but I’ll never forget finishing 3rd in a two horse race when we lost against already relegated Hartlepool. GM has a winning mentality. Last season we could have gone to notts county and coasted but we played as if we had to win, whereas Fergie allowed the team to play on the beach once we were promoted. We are lucky to have him! 

I think you've misunderstood my OP, mate. I'm just asking if GM's run will equal or even surpass Fergie's run.

I probably should have titled the thread differently. However, if it was about who's the best manager, I'd agree with you that it's probably GM.

[drfchound]

To answer the OP: GM every time, no contest!. Fergie brought in some decent players but I’ll never forget finishing 3rd in a two horse race when we lost against already relegated Hartlepool. GM has a winning mentality. Last season we could have gone to notts county and coasted but we played as if we had to win, whereas Fergie allowed the team to play on the beach once we were promoted. We are lucky to have him! 

Slight point of correction mate, we came third in a one horse race.

[Janso]

McCann in the second round. Strong right hook to the jaw.

[LincsRover]

To answer the OP: GM every time, no contest!. Fergie brought in some decent players but I’ll never forget finishing 3rd in a two horse race when we lost against already relegated Hartlepool. GM has a winning mentality. Last season we could have gone to notts county and coasted but we played as if we had to win, whereas Fergie allowed the team to play on the beach once we were promoted. We are lucky to have him! 

I think you've misunderstood my OP, mate. I'm just asking if GM's run will equal or even surpass Fergie's run.

I probably should have titled the thread differently. However, if it was about who's the best manager, I'd agree with you that it's probably GM.

Ah, apologies SS, I just read the title and gave my view. Misunderstood the thread. Still it was good to think about the comparison to realise how lucky we are to have GM.

[LincsRover]

To answer the OP: GM every time, no contest!. Fergie brought in some decent players but I’ll never forget finishing 3rd in a two horse race when we lost against already relegated Hartlepool. GM has a winning mentality. Last season we could have gone to notts county and coasted but we played as if we had to win, whereas Fergie allowed the team to play on the beach once we were promoted. We are lucky to have him! 

Slight point of correction mate, we came third in a one horse race.

Very true! 

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The only signing making us better is O'Riordan.

He won’t be in the new year that’s certain !!

And you know that how ?

Why wouldn’t he be? He’s been decent enough without being spectacular. The fact he’s good on the ball skews people perception a bit and they overlook the fact he’s not as good at defending the box as others.

I agree with this, he's certainly not looked as strong as he did in the first couple of games.  No doubt a talented player but work to be done in that area.  The bigger disappointment has been Mcgrath when he's played so far.